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RPATDO_LAMD
Mar 22, 2013

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signalnoise posted:

Some day someone is going to make a FPS PC GAMEPAD with little trackballs where the thumbsticks go and you'll all be sorry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

valve already did this

WILDTURKEY101 posted:

When someone tells me that KB+M is fine for dark souls it makes me feel the same way as when someone tells me they like peanut butter and pickle sandwiches or some poo poo. Like, thats OK and you do you because it doesnt affect me, but I will keep in the back of my mind that you might be a psychopath.

kbm is superior if you want to pull off sick noscopes with your pvp explosive-bolt crossbow build

for 90% of content just locking on is fine but in pvp you need to actually lead your targets and aim in the direction you think they'll roll and that's a pain in the rear end with a thumbstick's lack of fine control
not that i ever actually busted out the mouse for that... it's not worth it

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Devils Affricate
Jan 22, 2010
Autoaim is shameful

JollyBoyJohn
Feb 13, 2019

For Real!

RPATDO_LAMD posted:

when my pals got me into dota I started out by configuring WASD to pan the camera

now this is truly an unpopular videogame opinion but you have my support - good lad

JollyBoyJohn
Feb 13, 2019

For Real!

John Murdoch posted:

No poo poo certain games are more or less suitable to different control methods, but at no point do I ever bang on about KBM being innately superior because I don't give a poo poo about how people play their games. It's especially funny though because when I say I played Dark Souls that way, a game that people have beaten with dance pads, guitar hero guitars, blindfolded, and with literal bananas, suddenly goons hiss and recoil like vampires to a cross.

Beating dark souls with a dance mat is not a hilarious example of the varied control methods that people can use, it's just another sign that people play too much dark souls.

WILDTURKEY101 posted:

When someone tells me that KB+M is fine for dark souls it makes me feel the same way as when someone tells me they like peanut butter and pickle sandwiches or some poo poo. Like, thats OK and you do you because it doesnt affect me, but I will keep in the back of my mind that you might be a psychopath.

I feel more like when Americans talk about using Automatic cars

syntaxfunction posted:

Imagine actually caring

JollyBoyJohn fucked around with this message at 11:04 on Feb 5, 2022

Devils Affricate
Jan 22, 2010
The only time I got irked about someone using the wrong type of controller was when my friend reluctantly decided to give Dark Souls a try. Knowing he's a KB+M player, I told him the game is really better played with a controller, but he insisted so I was like ok whatever. Next time I spoke with him he told me he only spent about 30 minutes on the game before giving up on it because "the controls sucked." Motherfucker.

veni veni veni
Jun 5, 2005


Devils Affricate posted:

Autoaim is shameful

K&M users whining about auto aim is literally the saddest poo poo ever. Bunch of idiots lusting for a decade to use their unfair advantage against controller users and then crossplay actually happened and it turned out they just didn't understand how controllers worked at all and got rekt and now everyone has to listen to them cry about auto aim.

Devils Affricate
Jan 22, 2010

veni veni veni posted:

K&M users whining about auto aim is literally the saddest poo poo ever. Bunch of idiots lusting for a decade to use their unfair advantage against controller users and then crossplay actually happened and it turned out they just didn't understand how controllers worked at all and got rekt and now everyone has to listen to them cry about auto aim.

Dang dude you sound pretty angry about this issue

Archer666
Dec 27, 2008

veni veni veni posted:

K&M users whining about auto aim is literally the saddest poo poo ever. Bunch of idiots lusting for a decade to use their unfair advantage against controller users and then crossplay actually happened and it turned out they just didn't understand how controllers worked at all and got rekt and now everyone has to listen to them cry about auto aim.

Melting down about people being angry about the way other people play lol

SilvergunSuperman
Aug 7, 2010

Archer666 posted:

Melting down about people being angry about the way other people play lol

Devils Affricate posted:

Dang dude you sound pretty angry about this issue

Why are you guys so mad?

lobsterminator
Oct 16, 2012




Sounds like online gaming makes people really angry. You should move to single player games. They are more chill.

Caesar Saladin
Aug 15, 2004

Looking at a typewriter and thinking "this is the perfect way to control a video game"

Devils Affricate
Jan 22, 2010
I wasn't even complaining about autoaim giving an unfair advantage in multiplayer games, just saying that I don't like it in general (like as the person using it, not the person getting owned by it), but it sure set that other guy off :shrug:

John Murdoch
May 19, 2009

I can tune a fish.

Devils Affricate posted:

The only time I got irked about someone using the wrong type of controller was when my friend reluctantly decided to give Dark Souls a try. Knowing he's a KB+M player, I told him the game is really better played with a controller, but he insisted so I was like ok whatever. Next time I spoke with him he told me he only spent about 30 minutes on the game before giving up on it because "the controls sucked." Motherfucker.

Which version was it? Cuz that's the other thing, I'm guessing for a lot of people their entire point of reference is trying to boot up unmodified PtDE with KB+M and yeah, no, that's a bad idea.

Devils Affricate
Jan 22, 2010
It was the original PC port, which... yeah had some issues.

That said, DSfix or whatever was available at the time, and that took care of most of the major problems (like not being able to set the resolution to anything greater than 720p lol).

Doctor J Off
Dec 28, 2005

There Is
Kb+m is the best control method, but only when you set player movement controlled by moue and WASD to camera

syntaxfunction
Oct 27, 2010
Videogames aren't super important so I just play them however and hopefully enjoy them and if I don't then that's okay I just stop playing them. They're pretty cool like that!

X JAKK
Sep 1, 2000

We eat the pig then together we BURN

syntaxfunction posted:

Videogames aren't super important so I just play them however and hopefully enjoy them and if I don't then that's okay I just stop playing them. They're pretty cool like that!

https://i.imgur.com/I0tS4pB.mp4

syntaxfunction
Oct 27, 2010
I wonder how severe the reaction would be if I dressed full gamer catgirl and did a twitch stream playing games, while talking about how games are just a thing to do sometimes, and they aren't really important.

Thinking 50% death threats, 50% dick pics. Cleavage is powerful yo.

Caesar Saladin
Aug 15, 2004

Its not about getting mad or about super important video games, its about how fun it is to make fun of pc gamers who type and click on things all day and then keep doing it in their leisure time.

itry
Aug 23, 2019




Some non computer touching pc gamers erasure itt

Random Stranger
Nov 27, 2009



Caesar Saladin posted:

Looking at a typewriter and thinking "this is the perfect way to control a video game"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPV8cziNACA
:colbert:


Random Stranger fucked around with this message at 15:22 on Feb 5, 2022

itry
Aug 23, 2019




X JAKK posted:

I miss the good old days of ultimate control by shoving a joystick up my butt. Then those pearl clutchers had to turn it into some weird sexual thing, and so the powers that be put these big balls on the top of the joysticks so they wouldn't fit up the butt anymore, though we would still find a way. Never controlled quite the same though.



Buy a kegel controller and shove it up your butt instead. It's the modern 21st century way.

Vakal
May 11, 2008

Caesar Saladin posted:

Looking at a typewriter and thinking "this is the perfect way to control a video game"

I see you've played Typing of the Dead.

William Henry Hairytaint
Oct 29, 2011



syntaxfunction posted:

I wonder how severe the reaction would be if I dressed full gamer catgirl and did a twitch stream playing games, while talking about how games are just a thing to do sometimes, and they aren't really important.

Thinking 50% death threats, 50% dick pics. Cleavage is powerful yo.

I'd be there, telling everyone in chat that video game stories are stupid and don't matter and video games should basically just be Pong++

You could have my twitch prime sub

signalnoise
Mar 7, 2008

i was told my old av was distracting

RPATDO_LAMD posted:

valve already did this

I'd make a big joke about it but as a trackball user myself I'll just ya there's a big difference because you can't flick the same on a trackpad. When you get really accustomed to it you can put enough force into the spin that it keeps going after you take your fingers off the ball and it'll land where you want it to, or you can just keep spinning it. Can't do that with a track pad, unless there's some rad software emulation of it I don't know about. That'd be cool. Is that something that exists? Cause I'd be interested.

Popoto
Oct 21, 2012

miaow
Me reading this thread:

https://youtu.be/uQJ8WrKnLUs

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

syntaxfunction posted:

I wonder how severe the reaction would be if I dressed full gamer catgirl and did a twitch stream playing games, while talking about how games are just a thing to do sometimes, and they aren't really important.

Thinking 50% death threats, 50% dick pics. Cleavage is powerful yo.

Dick pics attached to death threats.

Nice Van My Man
Jan 1, 2008

FoolyCharged posted:

I remember when the arkham asylum games came out and everyone swore up and down that the controller was the only way to play it and that the kb + mouse controls were terrible.


And the kb + m scheme was the most bog standard, unoffensive poo poo I'd ever seen* and I played the games on it just fine.

*except for the croc section in the first game. That one just flat out didn't work without analog movement and you had to do a weird crouching stutterstep thing to continue.

These people were under the mistaken impression that it was a 3rd person action game with melee combat, when it was in fact a first person game where you shoot batman at people. You just line up the center of the screen with whoever you want Batman to beat on, click on them, and Batman immediately zooms over and bashes their face in. Thus KBM was in fact the superior way to play.

Nice Van My Man fucked around with this message at 18:17 on Feb 5, 2022

itry
Aug 23, 2019




Nice Van My Man posted:

These people were under the mistaken impression that it was a 3rd person action game with melee combat, when it was in fact a first person game where you shoot batman at people. You just line up the center of the screen with whoever you want Batman to beat on, click on them, and Batman immediately zooms over and bashes their face in. Thus KBM was in fact the superior way to place.

Unironically agree.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

itry posted:

Unironically agree.

And that's why they were great.

QuarkJets
Sep 8, 2008

Caesar Saladin posted:

Its not about getting mad or about super important video games, its about how fun it is to make fun of pc gamers who type and click on things all day and then keep doing it in their leisure time.

It's weird and nonsensical, like making fun of a formula 1 driver for driving a car because commuters also drive cars. And I bet you've used a keyboard and mouse to watch quite a few pornos and never once thought that the experience was worse for people who use a keyboard for work.

itry
Aug 23, 2019




Or perhaps better if sex at work is their fetish.

RPATDO_LAMD
Mar 22, 2013

🐘🪠🍆

signalnoise posted:

I'd make a big joke about it but as a trackball user myself I'll just ya there's a big difference because you can't flick the same on a trackpad. When you get really accustomed to it you can put enough force into the spin that it keeps going after you take your fingers off the ball and it'll land where you want it to, or you can just keep spinning it. Can't do that with a track pad, unless there's some rad software emulation of it I don't know about. That'd be cool. Is that something that exists? Cause I'd be interested.

Trackball emulation mode was the default and most popular setting on the steam controller's touchpad. You could set it spinning and take your fingers off and it would keep going, and it even had haptic feedback where it would kinda "click" as the imaginary trackball rotated so you could feel how it was moving.

I played Dark Souls & Monhun World with it like that and had a swell time.
It also had a gyro control, so you could set the sensitivity really high on the trackball for quick turns and then use the gyro to fine-aim for stuff like bow headshots.

Too bad the controller is discontinued. Mine broke and I had to stop using it because I couldn't finish Sekiro without being able to jump. They use the same trackpad design on the steam deck so maybe they'll make more controllers later, but who knows what goes on in gaben's head.

veni veni veni
Jun 5, 2005


I missed out on the steam controller but always wanted to try it. Was thinking about grabbing one off ebay but Ill just try the tech out on steam deck when it launches.

signalnoise
Mar 7, 2008

i was told my old av was distracting

RPATDO_LAMD posted:

Trackball emulation mode was the default and most popular setting on the steam controller's touchpad. You could set it spinning and take your fingers off and it would keep going, and it even had haptic feedback where it would kinda "click" as the imaginary trackball rotated so you could feel how it was moving.

I played Dark Souls & Monhun World with it like that and had a swell time.
It also had a gyro control, so you could set the sensitivity really high on the trackball for quick turns and then use the gyro to fine-aim for stuff like bow headshots.

Too bad the controller is discontinued. Mine broke and I had to stop using it because I couldn't finish Sekiro without being able to jump. They use the same trackpad design on the steam deck so maybe they'll make more controllers later, but who knows what goes on in gaben's head.

son of a BITCH

Devils Affricate
Jan 22, 2010

RPATDO_LAMD posted:

Trackball emulation mode was the default and most popular setting on the steam controller's touchpad. You could set it spinning and take your fingers off and it would keep going, and it even had haptic feedback where it would kinda "click" as the imaginary trackball rotated so you could feel how it was moving.

I played Dark Souls & Monhun World with it like that and had a swell time.
It also had a gyro control, so you could set the sensitivity really high on the trackball for quick turns and then use the gyro to fine-aim for stuff like bow headshots.

Too bad the controller is discontinued. Mine broke and I had to stop using it because I couldn't finish Sekiro without being able to jump. They use the same trackpad design on the steam deck so maybe they'll make more controllers later, but who knows what goes on in gaben's head.

Yep! In Dark Souls you could use the track pad to flick the camera around way faster than you could move it with an analog stick. Made it really useful for pulling off bullshit in pvp.

veni veni veni
Jun 5, 2005


Devils Affricate posted:

I wasn't even complaining about autoaim giving an unfair advantage in multiplayer games, just saying that I don't like it in general (like as the person using it, not the person getting owned by it), but it sure set that other guy off :shrug:

I wasn't set off I just post very dramatically after a few beers.

FoolyCharged
Oct 11, 2012

Cheating at a raffle? I sentence you to 1 year in jail! No! Two years! Three! Four! Five years! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah!
Somebody call for an ant?

To keys (and mouse) or not to keys (and mouse)? That is the question

signalnoise
Mar 7, 2008

i was told my old av was distracting
i'm retroactively annoyed at everyone who ever told me the steam controller trackpads were something like "weird and bad" instead of telling me they could work like trackballs

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QuarkJets
Sep 8, 2008

signalnoise posted:

i'm retroactively annoyed at everyone who ever told me the steam controller trackpads were something like "weird and bad" instead of telling me they could work like trackballs

it's because we were hoarding all of the steam controllers for ourselves you gullible fool

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