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gonadic io posted:sorry to keep comparing things to english politics but since that's all I know, everybody said that about the lib dems a decade ago for identical reasons and yet people mostly forget and between starmer and boris they're experiencing a resurgence as we speak. sure LAST time, and every other time, they were awful, but maybe MAYBE this time they won't be (lol) I know the conversation has already moved on, but just to illustrate my point re Irish greens and uk lib dems: https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1489386766444507140
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UK labour are also poo poo though. Interpret the other half of "also" however you like, it still works.
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Feb 4, 2022 16:22
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they absolutely are, atrocious, but my point is that voters are flocking back to the lib dems as the 3rd option having already forgotten that happened last time.
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Lib dems often do well in council elections though, because council elections are basically random. More amusing was when they won an actual parliamentary seat because nobody wanted to vote tory or labour.
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Feb 4, 2022 16:49
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I wouldn't put much stock in a single council seat, especially when you consider it is a by-election and only the bare minimum would have been put in for it. Moreso than those generalities, I've read a little into it and it turns out the by-election was caused because one of the few black councillors in the area resigned due to racism from other Labour councillors. Hardly endears people in the area to vote Labour in this circumstance.
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Feb 4, 2022 16:59
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Seeing Labour in Ireland trying to rehabilitate themselves over the last few years has been hilarious. They can get hosed
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Speaking from up north but i find it very strange when i conclude Sinn Fein might be a reasonable choice. 
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Just Another Lurker posted:Speaking from up north but i find it very strange when i conclude Sinn Fein might be a reasonable choice. I can’t hack another round of FFFG, they’re loving scum
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Feb 4, 2022 17:14
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SF are the only serious political engine on the island and everyone else is running scared.
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Feb 4, 2022 17:16
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I grew up with a super pro-FF mother who drilled into me for years that a vote for SF was a vote for terrorists and I should only vote FF. The very first time I voted, back in the late 2000s, I put a FF person on my ballot but very, very low just to appease my mother and to this day, it still haunts me that I even gave them a vote. Now I’m just like “I want somewhere to live” and since FFFG have zero interest in that, I’ll vote for the next viable party.
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OwlFancier posted:Lib dems often do well in council elections though, because council elections are basically random. Greens did really well with equivalent here last election too and then managed to leverage that into the success they saw in the general. The only real difference I feel is that for Ireland anyway it speaks to a willingness of people to try to move towards a more conservationist/environmentalist way of doing things and unfortunately the older greens are just power hungry idiots who will do anything to get a loving bike lane so they can pretend they care about the environment. Lib dems are just trash tories with no redeeming features.
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E&W greens are also a bit blood and soil association. Everyone from actual radical environmentalists to pastorally focused tories, makes them pretty hard to imagine actually doing anything coherent, mostly they just seem contrarian. A problem with "green" parties around the world generally I think, as a touchy feely approval of "green-ness" can manifest in a million different ways, many of them lovely.
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Feb 4, 2022 17:21
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It's called eco-fascism and its baked into a lot of green ideology. One would hope that "green" policy would be scientifically backed, but a lot of it is just agrarian traditionalism.
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Feb 4, 2022 17:30
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Every actual leftist party should be a green party and you wouldn't need the useless fucks that make up the older green orgs worldwide. The fact they thought it'd be a good idea to have a single group dedicated to environmentalism without a consistent leftist view on it's own was always going to attract the worst cunts imaginable.
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yeah being green but not socialist reeks of "too many people" ecofacism vibes at this point.
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fwiw I plan to do what others here have said and put SF as my second and somebody further left first, corb was the first person to get me engaged with politics and just because I'm a brexit refugee doesn't mean I don't want anywhere I can vote to be more socalist. If SF rounds me up and puts me in the english concentration camp, well, don't blame them tbh.
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Feb 4, 2022 17:37
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Voting preference: Soc Dems SF whatever the gently caress PBP are called by 2025 The local communist guy who gets 100 votes Independents who don’t want to kill me Sin é!
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Quantum of Phallus posted:Voting preference: Not my ideal but given the vagaries of PR it probably ends up functionally identical to my order preference so keep 'er lit. Like the man said, if you wanna go green go red
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I know gently caress all about the Greens in the UK except they're surprisingly transphobic.
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That seems like it's the case for half the feckin' country now, you can't swing a cat without hitting some TERF in the UK
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Feb 4, 2022 17:59
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terrible people in the UK… you don’t say…
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Just Another Lurker posted:Speaking from up north but i find it very strange when i conclude Sinn Fein might be a reasonable choice. Yeah, same. Its loving weird. The SF back home are drug dealing self serving clowns. Part of me is suspicious of SF overall, they are just pretending to care.
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Feb 4, 2022 18:04
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happyhippy posted:Yeah, same. Its loving weird. Yeah but the game is "vote for the least poo poo oval office", not "vote for someone you'd trust to mind your kids". I get that lesser-evil voting probably just leads to more evil over time, but we're over a barrel right now and it's urgent
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I say we give the terrorists a chance. Literally can't be any worse short of open border skirmishes.
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Southpaugh posted:I say we give the terrorists a chance. Literally can't be any worse short of open border skirmishes. Technically two of the three main parties derive from the same terrorist organisation.... confusion ensues.
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Failed Imagineer posted:Yeah but the game is "vote for the least poo poo oval office", not "vote for someone you'd trust to mind your kids". I get that lesser-evil voting probably just leads to more evil over time, but we're over a barrel right now and it's urgent I think it's the expectation from some on the other side of the border that SF will be a clean break from the nepotism and back slapping machine politics of FFFG that confuses people up North the most tbh Like locally for me SF are widely known for their nepotism and obscure machine politics and handing out plum positions to people from "good republican families" and the glacial pace it takes for policy changes but offsetting that with good parish pump constuiency work... Which I'm not sure is what people want SF to deliver south of the border
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I’m at the stage where I literally don’t care how bad SF are, I just don’t want FF or FG in power again. They have been nothing but bad for me and my entire generation, particularly FF
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Feb 4, 2022 20:58
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The desire to throw a (metaphorical or literal) hand grenade into the political establishment is pretty understandable tbh, you just get so sick of the same shite your entire loving life, it would be nice to watch them melt down a bit for once. Mind you that's what got us in the UK the coalition government so y'know, sometimes it goes off in your hand lmao.
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I was working in a news room for the 2020 election and it was genuinely unreal once the exit polls started coming out and it was clear how well Sinn Fein were doing. I’m hoping I get to be back in for the next one!
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happyhippy posted:Yeah, same. Its loving weird. I'd take PBP/Socialist Party before I'd take FF and FG, and I'd take FF and FG before I'd take SF (obviously SocDems, Greens, Labour in between. Aontu can get hosed.) Opposite sides of the political spectrum, sure, but they have principles and above ground ideology, one that's obvious to see, and reported, on all levels. SF, to me, don't seem to have any cohesive identity other than objection-ism, power and giving respect to the absolute worst people I've ever met. I suppose they have nationalism as well, but everyone here has that (that might be a surprise to our English posters.) And all of that as a party is very dangerous.
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I think you're giving Fine Gael's nationalist credentials too much weight TBH.
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And Fianna Fail's, if we are being realistic.
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Fianna Fáil at least have never quite managed to make me think "west Brit" at their party leader.
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"corruput scum" (doesn't narrow it down)
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I haven't seen Fianna Fail TDs crying about the memorial to black and tans in glasnevin being taken down due to vandalism. But I've lost count of the number of FG TDs calling it an attack on democracy and decency.
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Marenghi posted:I haven't seen Fianna Fail TDs crying about the memorial to black and tans in glasnevin being taken down due to vandalism. As was pointed out, Leo just retweeted the official FG tweet about Bloody Sunday rather than say anything personal about it. But he did make sure to take the time to write a couple of tweets about how awful the vandalising was.
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That's how you spot a fascist. They're all about respecting authority and don't care if that authority has even a shred of legitimacy.
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Sincere apologies as what we believed to be a monument to the democracy and decency of Sir Henry Hugh Tudor was actually something left by someone's dog and has been removed using a plastic bag.
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In this country "pass the Aux" use do mean something totally different *nods sadly*
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