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pik_d
Feb 24, 2006

follow the white dove





TRP Post of the Month October 2021
OK something is actually happening now

https://www.paranatural.net/comic/chapter-7-page-59

Alt text: what if it's just like. a normal wolf. you ever think of that guys.

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Oct 31, 2012
I'm fearful of head boops in this series.

Podima
Nov 4, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
The last string of updates have been really good, the last one especially. Spooky stuff!

Oxxidation
Jul 22, 2007
where wolf

there wolf

I’ll overlook that it’s basically Vicar Amelia

ninjewtsu
Oct 9, 2012

Is this still a novel

Has the writing improved?

Pants Donkey
Nov 13, 2011

It is still a novel; the prose is still fairly purple.

Zack is a good writer, but they aren’t great at prose. Which isn’t a knock against them, as writing for comics and writing a novel are two very different things, and Zack’s experience is clearly in writing for a comic and they’re very talented at it.

I dunno how to compromise though. They have a legitimate health issue, and they can’t afford to destroy their hand doing the comic on the side. The only real solution is for Paranatural to become a full-time gig so they have less on their plate, and presenting Paranatural isn’t likely to grow their Patreon or shop sales. And I feel really lovely saying “Yeah, this thing you’re doing to keep providing us free material without risking their livelihood isn’t up to snuff,” but my interest has definitely dropped off.

I did like the page introducing the werewolf, but…that was because of the art :smith:

Maduo
Sep 8, 2006

You see all the colors.
All of them.


For what it's worth it seems like they're getting more comfortable with the new medium and are starting to play with it, which is cool. Hopefully that continues to happen!

Kyte
Nov 19, 2013

Never quacked for this
https://www.paranatural.net/comic/chapter-7-page-70

Finally some proper insight into Isabel's dad.

I wonder if the black color signifies some kinda relation.

Patware
Jan 3, 2005

zack trying less to make up for the lack of funny art with constant jokes has really, really, really improved the writing in the last few updates.

Patware
Jan 3, 2005

will paranatural's story ever actually move forward ever again

SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017


Patware posted:

will paranatural's story ever actually move forward ever again

Been a while now, but Pages 71-74 has a fairly good scene and fight.

https://www.paranatural.net/comic/chapter-7-page-71
https://www.paranatural.net/comic/chapter-7-page-72
https://www.paranatural.net/comic/chapter-7-page-73
https://www.paranatural.net/comic/chapter-7-page-74

Guess it'll be time to meet Isaac soon.

edit: Wow it's been a lot longer than I thought, there are more pages:

https://www.paranatural.net/comic/chapter-7-page-75
https://www.paranatural.net/comic/chapter-7-page-76
https://www.paranatural.net/comic/chapter-7-page-77

SKULL.GIF fucked around with this message at 02:41 on May 7, 2022

pik_d
Feb 24, 2006

follow the white dove





TRP Post of the Month October 2021
Wow this is some "Apollo fires sunlight at Superman" levels of "oh poo poo you done hosed up".

Patware
Jan 3, 2005


these are literally all flashbacks. flashbacks are good when they come in from time to time but jesus christ

SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017


Patware posted:

these are literally all flashbacks. flashbacks are good when they come in from time to time but jesus christ

Yes, this entire chapter is Mr. Spender reflecting on his interactions with the three original members of the Activity Club.

Patware
Jan 3, 2005

yes.

my complaint is that i wish we spent some time between all these flashbacks with the story moving forward

the last time the story featured its nominal viewpoint protagonist was 2018

Whitenoise Poster
Mar 26, 2010

Paranatural more like Zeno's paradoxural

Jetamo
Nov 8, 2012

alright.

alright, mate.
I mean, the last time present-ish-Max was in the story was in the beginning of 2020.

I think following up a "Let's follow one of the side characters" chapter with a "Let's have three pretty long flashback sequences" chapter is a choice, but like, looking at it long-term pacing it feels about right for a Big Flashback Sequence?

ninjewtsu
Oct 9, 2012

Has the writing gotten as fun as the visuals

Has zack confirmed that the rest of paranatural will be this instead of a comic, or is it still an "experiment"

Tenebrais
Sep 2, 2011

The writing is solid, and an enjoyable read. It's not as good as the visual comic, but Zack is a master of that medium so it's maybe not a fair comparison.

As a bonus the written form reveals a lot more setting stuff that wouldn't be as apparent in a comic.

Don't know how the plan to continue going forward but they seem pretty comfortable with this at the moment?

Fecha
Nov 4, 2006

Did I... did I miss anything important?
They’re getting a lot more storytelling done this way which I’ve been appreciating. We probably wouldn’t have been this far into flashback 3 until sometime next year

pik_d
Feb 24, 2006

follow the white dove





TRP Post of the Month October 2021
Dang, Catnine got owned before he could even see it coming

Pants Donkey
Nov 13, 2011

Fecha posted:

They’re getting a lot more storytelling done this way which I’ve been appreciating. We probably wouldn’t have been this far into flashback 3 until sometime next year
Yeah, the latest update I can easily see being stretched across 4-5 pages/weeks of comics. Lucifer and Spender bickering alone would be half of that.

The writing is also getting better, and I feel like they’re incorporating the limited art in better ways.

Poltergrift
Feb 16, 2014



"When I grow up, I'm gonna be a proper swordsman. One with clothes."
Update.

Oxxidation
Jul 22, 2007
the joke is no longer funny

Tenebrais
Sep 2, 2011

Honestly loving the outfits on Isaac's parents.

Happy Noodle Boy
Jul 3, 2002


This is too much

Kyte
Nov 19, 2013

Never quacked for this

quote:

you know i'm gonna return from a long break with my worst visual gag
:emptyquote:

e: ngl they look cute in those outfits

JuniperCake
Jan 26, 2013
https://www.paranatural.net/comic/chapter-7-page-86

Well that's something. I guess that explains why Isaac is being kept away from consortium business.

Kyte
Nov 19, 2013

Never quacked for this
https://www.paranatural.net/comic/chapter-7-page-87

Well that's a fair bit of revelations.

SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017


Kyte posted:

Well that's a fair bit of revelations.

I've been keeping up on-and-off but didn't we already know the wight is B.L.'s spirit?

I wonder what she told Spender to convince him that Isaac mustn't find out anything, but in a way that wouldn't tip off Spender on what to dig into.

Oxxidation
Jul 22, 2007

SKULL.GIF posted:

I've been keeping up on-and-off but didn't we already know the wight is B.L.'s spirit?

I wonder what she told Spender to convince him that Isaac mustn't find out anything, but in a way that wouldn't tip off Spender on what to dig into.

i think the revelation is that BL is a spirit herself. might be that sandman's only had one "owner" all this time and she's just been shifting forms through the generations

Kyte
Nov 19, 2013

Never quacked for this
Way I read it either she's a wight pretending to be a spectral or she's been a wight-spectral so long the human part has burnt off.
Given she's apparently very bad at making faces that pass for human I suspect the former.

Tenebrais
Sep 2, 2011

The flipside is that a Wight, we have been told, can only communicate through their horrifying Wight Wails.

Boss Leader might be a spirit that has managed to wrangle the wight's power and pass herself off as a medium that way.

Either way it is a shocking revelation that the person who doesn't have a real name or a real face turned out to not be a real person.

JuniperCake
Jan 26, 2013

Tenebrais posted:


Boss Leader might be a spirit that has managed to wrangle the wight's power and pass herself off as a medium that way.


The consortium already employs spirits like Isabel's grandfather and that stuff seems fairly out in the open as far as the organization goes. I'm not sure why she would need to hide that she's a spirit from the consortium at large if that's all it was.

It's possible she might be some supernatural creature that's not a spirit. If werewolves and vampires are on the table already, she could really be anything. Well anything that doesn't naturally have a human face I suppose.

Maybe a lich adjacent thing?

SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017


I wonder if she's connected to the spider that rescued Max all the way back then. The dream realm does seem spider cocoon shaped, kinda, and if she's secretly a spirit that's using the Wight and the Consortium to bring her other spirits to feed on, that fits with the spider motif.

Kyte
Nov 19, 2013

Never quacked for this
https://www.paranatural.net/comic/chapter-7-page-89

One good thing about the new text format is that information gets dispensed a lot faster.
Dude's gotten better at writing, for that matter.

SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017


"You see yourself in everyone, and hardly any of yourself in you." is a good line.

fractalairduct
Sep 26, 2015

I, Giorno Giovanna, have a dream!

...not to be a downer, but I'm seeing a whole paragraph where Zack drops a major reveal in a narrational aside that's completely irrelevant to anything that's actually happening on this page.

Oxxidation
Jul 22, 2007
if you mean the paragraph about BL’s true nature, that information was implied by the previous two pages and it’s the real reason Isaac had been excluded from the group (because Catnine figured it out instantly)

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Patware
Jan 3, 2005

yeah like, i've got a lot of critiques on the prose writing (though the steady improvement is clear) but we did learn all of that stuff

what Zack's doing there is making absolutely sure the reader 'gets it' since a lot of that information has been spread out over a long time. the problem is that they're very, very inconsistent as to narrative viewpoint so the sudden shift out of Spender's head is jarring and can make you think too hard about how out of nowhere the paragraph has come

personally i'm not a fan of nearly any omniscient narrative viewpoint, i prefer to stay in a specific character's head per-scene, unless the author is very specifically having a character doing the narration. those asides then make sense, as the character can pause telling the story for a moment to tell the reader something directly

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