[canada] I don't need to take lessons on marginalized people. I'm ITALIAN!

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Starks: Sep 24, 2006

ghosthorse posted:

I'm sorry is the sens mascot a... bad hillbilly stereotype lion? It looks like it has bad teeth and a mullet what the gently caress

Yeah you know how the English soccer team has the lions motif? This is the hosed up cousin

# ? Feb 6, 2022 07:15

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# ? May 28, 2024 09:48

Nine of Eight: Apr 28, 2011; LICK IT OFF, AND PUT IT BACK IN; Dinosaur Gum

DariusLikewise posted:

*removes all religious symbols before replying to your post*

first of all

nononon b�b�. the crucifix stays on.

# ? Feb 6, 2022 07:29

ToxicAcne: May 25, 2014

Dreylad posted:

quebec has an incredibly robust social welfare state (relative to the rest of canada) backed by most parties' commitment to some form of social democratic policies, although neoliberal austerity has infected its politics over the last thirty years.

however unlike most places, there was massive pushback against such measures, with hundreds of thousands of people joining protests across the province. it didn't entirely succeed, but quebec society is actually willing to mobilize against such politics at least.

because of the legacy of the french being second class citizens in nominally "their" province there's a ton of nativist sentiment outside of most of montreal and a rabid hatred of islam hidden under the traditional french guise of secularism.

As much as I hate Bill 21, this is the correct take. I admire the fact that the Maple Spring happened and how it couldn't have happened anywhere else in Canada.

What Doug Ford did to higher education is much worse than anything Charest did and yet there was nary a peep here in Ontario.

# ? Feb 6, 2022 07:33

Dreylad: Jun 19, 2001

ToxicAcne posted:

As much as I hate Bill 21, this is the correct take. I admire the fact that the Maple Spring happened and how it couldn't have happened anywhere else in Canada.

What Doug Ford did to higher education is much worse than anything Charest did and yet there was nary a peep here in Ontario.

im biased because i was involved to some extent in those protests so i really try to check myself because the end result wasn't exactly a stellar victory for students. but people organized and they mobilized and it seemed like the most natural thing in the world. it was remarkable.

# ? Feb 6, 2022 07:42

Papa Was A Video Toaster: Jan 9, 2011

Dreylad posted:

im biased because i was involved to some extent in those protests so i really try to check myself because the end result wasn't exactly a stellar victory for students. but people organized and they mobilized and it seemed like the most natural thing in the world. it was remarkable.

# ? Feb 6, 2022 08:03

Juul-Whip: Mar 10, 2008

ah yes, the traditional "Hi Ya" chant of the Wannabe tribe
https://twitter.com/backtolife_2019/status/1490068142596448260

e: it was a video of anti maskers posing as �indigenous drummers� which I guess they pulled down after they got like 150 replies pointing out it sounded nothing like any songs or rhythms done by real indigenous people

Juul-Whip has issued a correction as of 09:40 on Feb 6, 2022

# ? Feb 6, 2022 08:09

Waffle House: Oct 27, 2004; You follow the path
fitting into an infinite pattern.

Yours to manipulate, to destroy and rebuild.

Now, in the quantum moment
before the closure
when all become one.

One moment left.
One point of space and time.

I know who you are.

You are Destiny.

CLAM DOWN posted:

https://twitter.com/KenPaxtonTX/status/1490033056341803009?t=9T00zx9taVvLwrz-JCbvHg&s=19

Lmaooooo

lmfao are you serious

For anyone curious Ken Paxton has been a walking indicted felon for several years now

# ? Feb 6, 2022 11:18

Karach: May 23, 2003; no war but class war

Frosted Flake posted:

https://twitter.com/mattgurney/status/1490150371238555649?s=20&t=kFwjwT55Kctp3XVosra2GA

The response to covid across the country has bolstered this claim, if nothing else has.

# ? Feb 6, 2022 14:02

Frosted Flake: Sep 13, 2011; Semper Shitpost Ubique

Isizzlehorn posted:

Encouraging them to stick around by providing an encampment

cool cool cool cool cool

Just a reminder, here�s where it�s located:

# ? Feb 6, 2022 15:11

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

wait a second.

why is there a baseball stadium in ottawa?

# ? Feb 6, 2022 15:33

Chunderbucket: Aug 31, 2006; I had a beer with Stephen Miller once and now I like him.

Not only is there a baseball stadium, there's a massive fancy walking bridge over the highway to it.

I've got no friggin' idea why

# ? Feb 6, 2022 15:43

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It's for playing baseball

# ? Feb 6, 2022 15:58

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

but ottawa doesn't have an mlb team.

i always forget regional leagues exist

# ? Feb 6, 2022 16:00

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Lots of places have baseball stadiums but don't have an MLB team.

# ? Feb 6, 2022 16:01

Cold on a Cob: Feb 6, 2006; i've seen so much, i'm going blind
and i'm brain dead virtually; College Slice

infernal machines posted:

but ottawa doesn't have an mlb team.

canadian cities spin up and then eventually kill off more minor-league baseball teams than google does chat apps

e: rip the calgary cannons, although all i remember about cannons' games is getting dugout dogs, a concept in hot dogs i haven't seen replicated anywhere else

# ? Feb 6, 2022 16:02

Papa Was A Video Toaster: Jan 9, 2011

Cold on a Cob posted:

canadian cities spin up and then eventually kill off more minor-league baseball teams than google does chat apps

e: rip the calgary cannons, although all i remember about cannons' games is getting dugout dogs, a concept in hot dogs i haven't seen replicated anywhere else

don't tease me like this. tell me more about the dogs

# ? Feb 6, 2022 16:09

DariusLikewise: Oct 4, 2008; You wore that on Halloween?

https://convoytraitors.ca/

omniconvoy is incredibly cringe tbh

# ? Feb 6, 2022 16:13

Piquai Souban: Mar 21, 2007; Manque du respect: toujours.
Triple bas cinq: toujours.

Ottawa name-all-the-teams-that-played-there challenge: Lynx, Fat Cats, Champions. Was there a fish one?

# ? Feb 6, 2022 16:14

Duck Rodgers: Oct 9, 2012

At one point they were affiliated with the Expos were they not?

# ? Feb 6, 2022 16:23

RBC: Nov 23, 2007; IM STILL SPENDING MONEY FROM 1888

i went to see a rapidz game once it was actually pretty cool, nice little ballpark but it was loving cold

# ? Feb 6, 2022 16:24

Papa Was A Video Toaster: Jan 9, 2011

All I remember about Ottawa sports is they called their football team the Rough Riders when there was already a team in Saskatchewan with the same name

# ? Feb 6, 2022 16:25

RBC: Nov 23, 2007; IM STILL SPENDING MONEY FROM 1888

I always wanted to go to a 67s game because their arena is weird as hell and its under the bleachers of the CFL stadium so one side is like, really high and the other is super low.

# ? Feb 6, 2022 16:27

Mahler: Oct 30, 2008

I went to a lot of Ottawa Champions games the year they won their league against a far superior team. They came from behind in the series, some of the games were real nailbiters. Every other year they were complete dogshit. That's my Ottawa baseball story.

# ? Feb 6, 2022 16:37

RBC: Nov 23, 2007; IM STILL SPENDING MONEY FROM 1888

I love those can am and AAA teams because you get weird mixes of washed out ballplayers, players that just arent good enough and wont give up the dream, and young prospects. Eastbound and down does a great job of capturing that feeling.

Imagine being a former mlb player and playing in loving ottawa in front of 200 people for 10k a year.

# ? Feb 6, 2022 16:50

Cold on a Cob: Feb 6, 2006; i've seen so much, i'm going blind
and i'm brain dead virtually; College Slice

Papa Was A Video Toaster posted:

don't tease me like this. tell me more about the dogs

so they'd take an unsliced bun and stab it down on a spike, pull it off, squirt in mustard, then stick the dog in. the mustard would squeeze up the hole so the dog got perfect coverage and yet not leak. it was a total gimmick and not so great if you want to pile a bunch of toppings on there but i loved em.

# ? Feb 6, 2022 17:24

Too Many Birds: Jan 8, 2020

steve no!

# ? Feb 6, 2022 17:34

DariusLikewise: Oct 4, 2008; You wore that on Halloween?

there was a freedom convoy that ran through brandon yesterday in support of ottawa, there was 3 semis, 4 pickups and a Chevy HHR. funny enough there was a Ukrainian flag in the back of one of the semis so i don�t know if that was in support of ukraine, neo nazis or canadas stance on ukraine

# ? Feb 6, 2022 17:37

Lostconfused: Oct 1, 2008

All of the above.

# ? Feb 6, 2022 17:38

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https://twitter.com/BitcoinMagazine/status/1490135062033178624?t=3zZB169jQNETYKxPCz4VMQ&s=19

Lmao

# ? Feb 6, 2022 18:11

Danaru: Jun 5, 2012; 何 ??

Duck Rodgers posted:

At one point they were affiliated with the Expos were they not?

Expos deez nuts

# ? Feb 6, 2022 18:27

BattleMaster: Aug 14, 2000

No end in sight to Ottawa protests, not enough resources, says police chief

haha now the cops are holding the city for ransom

edit: I mean more than usual

# ? Feb 6, 2022 18:28

Stink Billyums: Jul 7, 2006; MAGNUM

Papa Was A Video Toaster posted:

All I remember about Ottawa sports is they called their football team the Rough Riders when there was already a team in Saskatchewan with the same name

ottawa had the name first by 25 years, and the teams were originally in different leagues. it may be dumber now though, after they folded in the 90's they came back as the redblacks, but the team name is officially bilingual so in french they're the rouge et noir.

# ? Feb 6, 2022 18:32

Frosted Flake: Sep 13, 2011; Semper Shitpost Ubique

Champs have one of the better logos in Canadian sports, tbf

p sick

# ? Feb 6, 2022 18:39

Oxyclean: Sep 23, 2007

infernal machines posted:

during the city meeting the OPS revealed that they allowed the convoy logistics encampment

Can someone make this make even a little bit of sense for me?

Like, they didn't have permits to protest in the first place, right? So why the gently caress do they get a supply camp? Who owns the space they're using for the encampment?

I get it if the cops literally cannot disrupt the protest itself from lacking the machinery to haul the trucks out of the core, but it seems like a bare minimum effort to disrupt the protest by cutting off supplies?

Gonna be so pissed of people fall for "this is why the cops need more funding" bullshit.

# ? Feb 6, 2022 18:40

Bilirubin: Feb 16, 2014; The sanctioned action is to CHUG

lol every time I see the thread title I see ANAL FIST which tbf is a rocking metal band name

# ? Feb 6, 2022 18:41

Frosted Flake: Sep 13, 2011; Semper Shitpost Ubique

Oxyclean posted:

So why the gently caress do they get a supply camp? Who owns the space they're using for the encampment?

It was previously the drive through covid testing site run by the city, which has me leaning towards the city gave it to them lol.

# ? Feb 6, 2022 18:43

Juul-Whip: Mar 10, 2008

Oxyclean posted:

Can someone make this make even a little bit of sense for me?

Like, they didn't have permits to protest in the first place, right? So why the gently caress do they get a supply camp? Who owns the space they're using for the encampment?

I get it if the cops literally cannot disrupt the protest itself from lacking the machinery to haul the trucks out of the core, but it seems like a bare minimum effort to disrupt the protest by cutting off supplies?

Gonna be so pissed of people fall for "this is why the cops need more funding" bullshit.

It's because the police support the fascists, op

# ? Feb 6, 2022 18:43

Ron Paul Atreides: Apr 19, 2012; Uyghurs situation in Xinjiang? Just a police action, do not fret. Not ongoing genocide like in EVIL Canada.

I am definitely not a tankie.

Oxyclean posted:

Can someone make this make even a little bit of sense for me?

Like, they didn't have permits to protest in the first place, right? So why the gently caress do they get a supply camp? Who owns the space they're using for the encampment?

I get it if the cops literally cannot disrupt the protest itself from lacking the machinery to haul the trucks out of the core, but it seems like a bare minimum effort to disrupt the protest by cutting off supplies?

Gonna be so pissed of people fall for "this is why the cops need more funding" bullshit.

Sloly said at one point he also want to know �when covid will end�

he let this happen lmao. and now it went too far so they are going out and saying they will ticket and oh look the convoy are clearing out the park and downtown to the baseball field. didn�t they say they didn�t have the resources? suddenly when the crowd has surged, no problem.

these people weren�t here to start an insurrection lol, like Jan 6 they did it because they thought it was okay with authorities, but unlike Jan 6 I think they were right about that

# ? Feb 6, 2022 18:48

Oxyclean: Sep 23, 2007

Juul-Whip posted:

It's because the police support the fascists, op

youd think they at least try to be a bit more subtle about it

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FUCK COREY PERRY: Apr 19, 2008

A Russian troll farm posted:

Anyway, liberalism has long since ceased to be a progressive force. I'm not talking about the popular definition of liberalism, because the popular definition of liberalism is incorrect - it's a smokescreen. I'm talking about the historical and philosophical definition of liberalism.

At its inception in the enlightenment era, liberalism was the philosophical view that the best possible society would result if the old system of monarchial rule and aristocratic privilege were replaced with a more-or-less democratic system in which all citizens were equal under the law. At that time, liberalism was a progressive force.

But as liberalism transformed from a revolutionary ideology to the ruling ideology, its flaws were revealed. All citizens might have been formally equal under the law, but the system of private property which liberalism upheld meant that some of these equal citizens could become much more powerful than others through the accumulation of wealth. This not only meant that the ostensibly democratic political system became corrupted, but at a much more basic level, for the people working 16 hours a day in a dark satanic mill for barely enough money to survive, it meant that the very concept of liberal freedom was a cruel joke. This led to the formation of competing ideologies that took into account the tyranny of the economic system rather than just the political system - namely socialism and communism - and the associated political and workplace struggles against liberalism.

These countervailing forces caused liberalism to adapt in order to secure itself. Small changes could be worked into the system in order to stabilize it against its own excesses without changing the overall structure of the economy. The 8 hour workday, minimum wage laws, child labour laws, and so-on. This was progressive liberalism, which is presumably what you're thinking of when you talk about liberalism as a positive thing. It is contrasted with conservatism, which is really conservative liberalism; or with libertarianism, which is fundamentalist liberalism, but they are all forms of liberalism and all uphold the system of private ownership. That system of private ownership (Capitalism) is the true central tenet of liberalism. Liberalism is the ideology of Capital.

Returning to the historical development of liberalism, here we reach neoliberalism. By the mid-1970s, progressive liberalism had overextended itself. Wages had risen to the point that capitalism had entered a crisis of profitability. At the same time, the Soviet Union was also stagnating, and the existence of socialism as an alternative to liberalism was a major contributor to the gains of progressive liberalism. Neoliberalism was a reaction to these factors - a counteroffensive against a working class that had grown too big for its britches. Whether a "conservative" or "liberal" government was in power didnt matter. The social welfare state was dismantled, the minimum wage was allowed to stagnate beneath the inflation rate, and the gains of progressive liberalism were slowly rolled back. Discipline was reimposed on the labour force. Factories were moved to cheaper jurisdictions in the third world, and the economy in the first world became increasingly financialized. The tax burden was shifted from the rich to the working class, and inequality grew exponentially. The neoliberal era began roughly 45 years ago, and we are today still deep within it, with even the mildest reforms being violently opposed.

So what is neoliberalism? It is the synthesis of conservative liberalism and progressive liberalism. It recognizes a role for the state in regulating the market, but instead of the relatively rigorous reforms of the past, it prefers minimally invasive interventions. Market failures are to be gently corrected through monetary policy, or tax credits (ideally means tested tax credits), but overall the market is to be left alone. If you look today at any number of crises, from the covid response to especially the global warming response, it becomes evident that neoliberalism is leading us to our doom. Climate Change, a global crisis and threat to the very bedrock upon which civilization is built, is responded to with a carbon tax. A demand-side disincentive to burning fossil fuels. Or a tax credit for energy efficient windows, another minimally invasive demand-side incentive. The liberal order is both unwilling and unable to look further than the end of its nose and realize that small, market-based interventions are nowhere near sufficient to deal with the problems we face. Thus, we're in a death spiral.

Ok, you're up to speed now for the most part. I've oversimplified in some cases for the sake of brevity, but i think broadly this should be a pretty good explainer.

good post, thanks for it

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