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Tl;dr: crypto bros are wordcels
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marc andreesen has gone from being very rich, smart and head shaped like an egg to being very rich, and head shaped like an egg. like pretty sure cryptocurrency has broken his brain. i've followed him on twitter for a while but his tweets have gone from, "here's the type of people who make money." kinda tweets to this kinda poo poo. which i guess is the same thing he's trying to convey but with weirder terms.
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Feb 6, 2022 20:57
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Griftcel Dupecel
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Feb 6, 2022 21:10
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Deadly Ham Sandwich posted:
Even then, a VR meeting brings nothing to the table except that rather than sitting at an interminable, soul destroying meeting, you sit at an interminable,soul destroying meeting with a bucket on your head and sweaty gloves on your hands. Oh, and your boss now looks like Jarjar Binks I guess.
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Feb 6, 2022 21:11
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Zuck’s on record for saying that for them meetings are the real deal. Obviously he wants to build the metaverse because he read snow crash and Abrash, the tech vision guy for all their VR stuff worked on Doom with Carmack because he read snow crash. But the business proposition is this: Commercial office real estate is like like a $3tn industry. That means that businesses value the feeling of co-location a poo poo ton. If you can deliver that feeling digitally, or at least good enough, all of that money is up for grabs, and you also save the planet because no one commutes and you can turn offices into green spaces and housing. It’s solid. But when covid happened they didn’t have their ducks in a row and teleconferencing might actually just be either good enough by itself or disprove the entire concept or both. Edit: it’s more than meetings, they want you work in VR too and kind of join your home office to everyone else’s via “wormholes”
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Feb 6, 2022 22:12
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chaosbreather posted:Zuck’s on record for saying that for them meetings are the real deal. Obviously he wants to build the metaverse because he read snow crash and Abrash, the tech vision guy for all their VR stuff worked on Doom with Carmack because he read snow crash. But the business proposition is this: It's not solid because why would you contract with Meta when you can easily do everything their metaverse could* cheaper and in house, or even via a cheaper competitor. There's no value in meta real estate because you can duplicate anything digitally right click save as an office block. *not the WHOLE THING just the parts of it you care to use. That is, the VR office for meetings.
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Feb 6, 2022 22:14
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Does Facebook's metaverse thing even cost money? The point of it is to get businesses to buy VR headsets for everyone, they don't need to charge for it
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Feb 6, 2022 22:34
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I thought the point of it was to create a virtual world to allow them to sell virtual real estate, virtual pets, etc etc etc. in order to allow them to continue the investor-mandated exponential growth now that their growth has tapered off or even reversed.
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Feb 6, 2022 22:46
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FreeKillB posted:I thought the point of it was to create a virtual world to allow them to sell virtual real estate, virtual pets, etc etc etc. in order to allow them to continue the investor-mandated exponential growth now that their growth has tapered off or even reversed. you sweet summer child
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Feb 6, 2022 22:48
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I think AR makes a lot more sense for all of that than VR, and it would need to be something that you'd forget you're wearing and wouldn't get annoying to be forced to wear all day the issue there of course is you're not existing within some completely different world that can be sold to you. OTOH Zuck would be able to see what you're looking at all day in reality
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Feb 6, 2022 22:50
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Main Paineframe posted:Does Facebook's metaverse thing even cost money? The point of it is to get businesses to buy VR headsets for everyone, they don't need to charge for it You can start nickel and dimeing them after, like most business meeting apps do now. Want a meeting room? 1-10 licenses, 10-20 licenses, etc. You want full 3D avatars or just 2D old style? You want to record the meeting too? Sound only, or video and sound? Pay up for the yearly subscription for a discount!
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Feb 6, 2022 22:53
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Mozi posted:I think AR makes a lot more sense for all of that than VR, and it would need to be something that you'd forget you're wearing and wouldn't get annoying to be forced to wear all day this is coming close to the dumbest thing I have ever read
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Feb 6, 2022 22:54
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FreeKillB posted:I thought the point of it was to create a virtual world to allow them to sell virtual real estate, virtual pets, etc etc etc. in order to allow them to continue the investor-mandated exponential growth now that their growth has tapered off or even reversed. That may be true for other companies, but for Facebook, the point is to get people on Facebook-made hardware so they don't have to negotiate with device owners like Apple for all that precious personal data. Next generation of VR headsets is probably gonna all have eye tracking too, can you imagine how valuable that's gonna be for ads? FB will know exactly how quickly you look at something, how long you spend looking at it, how many times you look back at it. It's a data goldmine for avatars.
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Feb 6, 2022 23:09
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Got to admit its going to be funny to see ads sprout out of anime girl avatar titties during our weekly team huddle meeting.
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Feb 6, 2022 23:12
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Mumpy Puffinz posted:this is coming close to the dumbest thing I have ever read turn on your monitor
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Feb 6, 2022 23:13
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going to love this future https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJg02ivYzSs
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Feb 6, 2022 23:15
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we absolutely used to hold business meetings and discussion groups and panels and such in second life, and my involvement in it made me a few thousand dollars way back then metaverse sucks rear end even compared to old as hell SL let alone the many more modernized alternatives that exist in 2022
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Feb 6, 2022 23:22
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I can't help but think that the VR proponents and shills think of VR as more Star Trek holodeck and less what it really is, which is Second Life with a bucket on your head. And probably wearing sweaty Power Gloves.
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Feb 6, 2022 23:25
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95% of second life was just going to a sim and chatting with people while your avatars dance to whatever music some person feels like putting on and now you have actual videogames like final fanty 14 having dance parties exactly like that too except there is also a game when you don't feel like hanging out and being social anymore. I don't play that game but I'm glad SL-style chillin' is a thing people like there. these metaverse / horizon worlds idiots want to make it all corporate and that's the complete wrong way to do it thanks
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Feb 6, 2022 23:31
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Capilarean posted:Even then, a VR meeting brings nothing to the table except that rather than sitting at an interminable, soul destroying meeting, you sit at an interminable,soul destroying meeting with a bucket on your head and sweaty gloves on your hands. Oh, and your boss now looks like Jarjar Binks I guess. That's exactly my thoughts. If my company forced us to wear 5 kg of headgear for hours for literally(in the literal sense) no purpose whatsoever we would probably have a revolt. This is a duuuuuumb idea, how has nobody done any focus group research on this poo poo? I can totally see some application of VR in mechanical engineering, product design or job training but all of this is niche, has absolutely no room for Facebook integration and nothing were you can put ads for hearing aids
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Feb 6, 2022 23:36
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Mozi posted:turn on your monitor NEVER!
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Feb 6, 2022 23:59
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GABA ghoul posted:This is a duuuuuumb idea, how has nobody done any focus group research on this poo poo?
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Feb 6, 2022 23:59
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Parkingtigers posted:Also, I had to see this so I’m making you look at it too. This is easily vandalized to "bitcoin is butts"
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Feb 7, 2022 00:00
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I had no idea what wordcel and shape rotator meant and I loving hate that I know them now. 4chan is a blight, the internet was a mistake If there is a universal truth, it’s that people who brand themselves as intelligent or compare the intelligence of others to their own are always incredibly stupid.
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Feb 7, 2022 00:00
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tehinternet posted:If there is a universal truth, it’s that people who brand themselves as intelligent or compare the intelligence of others to their own are always incredibly stupid. Correction - people other than me who brand themselves as intelligent or compare the intelligence of others to their own are always incredibly stupid. Seriously, though, part of Dunning-Kruger that people tend to be unaware of is that it isn't just idiots who mistakenly believe they are competent, it's also that the actually competent tend to under-rate their own competence. The bottom of the intellectual pyramid grossly over-rate their own abilities, while the top of the pyramid under-rates theirs.
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Feb 7, 2022 00:07
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Main Paineframe posted:Next generation of VR headsets is probably gonna all have eye tracking too, can you imagine how valuable that's gonna be for ads? FB will know exactly how quickly you look at something, how long you spend looking at it, how many times you look back at it. It's a data goldmine for avatars. But what if I don't buy one?
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Feb 7, 2022 00:10
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CaptainSarcastic posted:Correction - people other than me who brand themselves as intelligent or compare the intelligence of others to their own are always incredibly stupid. I am good at computer math, ergo, I am good at everything, therefore BITCOIN!
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Feb 7, 2022 00:11
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The potential for AR is incredible, in the long run it could mean the death of the screen as we know it, and the tech is getting small enough to put in something that looks appreciably like a regular pair of glasses. Genuinely amazing stuff with endless applications. VR's potential is basically just videogames, the idea that we're going to live in a completely separate world is ludicrous, and anyone actually attempting to make it a thing is a loving idiot, and I say that as someone who really likes VR.
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Feb 7, 2022 00:29
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Parkingtigers posted:Also, I had to see this so I’m making you look at it too. Fun fact: money that is marked up in any way is pulled from circulation and destroyed when it cycles back through the reserve banks. It’s still legal tender but when they find it they filter it out. This dude is literally costing the rest of us (a very very small amount of) money by killing those bills before they wear out through use.
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Feb 7, 2022 00:37
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Rasputin on the Ritz posted:This dude is literally costing the rest of us (a very very small amount of) money by killing those bills before they wear out through use. 
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Feb 7, 2022 00:39
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there are plenty of people who want to live in a completely separate world, many of whom already have been for years metaverse isnt going to give those people a better experience than what they already get from gaming (since gaming is fun) or social platforms like VRchat (since they have a good formula and a huge head start) the only real untapped niche left in VR virtual worlds is the sex stuff, which even the second life people were too afraid to go after and meta certainly won't either
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Feb 7, 2022 00:41
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Any telepresence and telecollaboration innovation depends on the multitasking ability of voice chat. If you can't give a toddler cereal or play WoW during a board meeting you are feature incomplete compared to a cordless telephone with a shoulder rest. That this failure to live up to a 40 year old technology is also an in to the next digital real estate revolution is hilarious.
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Feb 7, 2022 00:47
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the pandemic 100% proved many many people can in fact play wow during a board meeting
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Feb 7, 2022 00:55
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Meta is dead wrong on what people really want. We need technology that lets me engage less with the world and the horrible tedious people that fill it. This is why facebook got popular in the first place: people can dump all their poo poo out there and let others interact with it passively and then I can check back when I give a poo poo (I don't have facebook, I assume that's how it works)
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Feb 7, 2022 01:07
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Ad by Khad posted:we absolutely used to hold business meetings and discussion groups and panels and such in second life, and my involvement in it made me a few thousand dollars way back then Nothing will ever top Ralph. 
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Feb 7, 2022 01:24
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DrPossum posted:Meta is dead wrong on what people really want. We need technology that lets me engage less with the world and the horrible tedious people that fill it. This is why facebook got popular in the first place: people can dump all their poo poo out there and let others interact with it passively and then I can check back when I give a poo poo (I don't have facebook, I assume that's how it works) What people DEFINITELY want: 1) your boss can tell when you're not paying attention in an online meeting 2) When you want to check a website real quick you have to put on a VR headset and "walk" somewhere first
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Feb 7, 2022 01:39
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Mumpy Puffinz posted:I am good at computer math, ergo, I am good at everything, therefore BITCOIN! Or even better, I am moderately wealthy therefore smart, therefore BITCOIN!
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Feb 7, 2022 01:44
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SRQ posted:It's not solid because why would you contract with Meta when you can easily do everything their metaverse could* cheaper and in house, or even via a cheaper competitor. There's no value in meta real estate because you can duplicate anything digitally Meta doesn't want to sell real estate, they want to be the de-facto Metaverse, the same way that they are the de-facto online community for much of the world. They are perfectly content to make a free space with generous free everything as long as you'll stay in that space, get others into that space, and enjoy advertising products in that space. They want to own it, nuts to butts, own the thing that other metaverses integrate into to integrate into each other, take that bedrock utility role in the same place as Google. Because if the metaverse can exist, that spot is up for grabs, and spending billions of dollars on the chance is actually a good deal. A lot of their work is actually around digitally scanning and replicating real-world locations, to try and 'rip and sell' your current office space like you did with CDs
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Feb 7, 2022 02:17
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chaosbreather posted:Meta doesn't want to sell real estate, they want to be the de-facto Metaverse, the same way that they are the de-facto online community for much of the world. They are perfectly content to make a free space with generous free everything as long as you'll stay in that space, get others into that space, and enjoy advertising products in that space. They want to own it, nuts to butts, own the thing that other metaverses integrate into to integrate into each other, take that bedrock utility role in the same place as Google. Because if the metaverse can exist, that spot is up for grabs, and spending billions of dollars on the chance is actually a good deal. You wouldn't download an office block...
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Karia posted:You wouldn't download an office block... zuck would https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTa8zn0RNVM
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