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Victory Position posted:and every single one of them get upset with me and start yelling at me when I ask simple questions like, "so who's making pharmaceuticals for your bloc? how about food?" If it's anything like the anarchists I know, they will say something like "DIY centrifuges will provide home made insulin" and "our vegetable garden will make us all healthy and we won't need medication anymore" and I'm like "yeah my gf literally needs SSRIs or she will kill herself from the constant pain in her head". This dumb poo poo descends into nonsense alternative medicine so loving fast its staggering. The alienation we experience under the bullshit healthcare system leads to poo poo like this and they don't see it or understand or care where kidney transplants will come from and who is going to operate on it.
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The Archaic posted:If it's anything like the anarchists I know, they will say something like "DIY centrifuges will provide home made insulin" and "our vegetable garden will make us all healthy and we won't need medication anymore" and I'm like "yeah my gf literally needs SSRIs or she will kill herself from the constant pain in her head". This dumb poo poo descends into nonsense alternative medicine so loving fast its staggering. The alienation we experience under the bullshit healthcare system leads to poo poo like this and they don't see it or understand or care where kidney transplants will come from and who is going to operate on it. scratch an anarchist and an anprim who blames all disease on modern society bleeds
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Victory Position posted:and every single one of them get upset with me and start yelling at me when I ask simple questions like, "so who's making pharmaceuticals for your bloc? how about food?" They probably think they can just trade for them with the pharmaceutical commune, but trade with what? Money? Are rural towns going to have to take up trapping again since they only exist to service farms? Are communes organized around communities or industries? Do you have to work for the coal mine to trade in kind for pharmaceuticals with coal? If everybody is trading in kind, how do you account for the disparity in value production from communes that produce low value goods? What's to stop the pharma commune from growing rich with commodities like this? They really just have not thought about it at all - and any real solutions involve the kind of use of force that resembles a state too much. Pener Kropoopkin has issued a correction as of 00:45 on Feb 7, 2022 |
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we will simply trade our empty bottles and cans and spare squatting space with the xbox and solar panel communes
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:They probably think they can just trade for them with the pharmaceutical commune, but trade with what? Money? Are rural towns going to have to take up trapping again since they only exist to service farms? Are communes organized around communities or industries? Do you have to work for the coal mine to trade in kind for pharmaceuticals with coal? Simple, if the pharmas start acting like authoritarians, you go smash them. Sure there could be medicine shortages, but that's nothing compared to the real problem of hierarchy!
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:They probably think they can just trade for them with the pharmaceutical commune, but trade with what? Money? Are rural towns going to have to take up trapping again since they only exist to service farms? Are communes organized around communities or industries? Do you have to work for the coal mine to trade in kind for pharmaceuticals with coal? Anarchists don't seriously think a society should or even can be based on barter, do they?
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Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 posted:Anarchists don't seriously think correct
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:They probably think they can just trade for them with the pharmaceutical commune, but trade with what? Money? Are rural towns going to have to take up trapping again since they only exist to service farms? Are communes organized around communities or industries? Do you have to work for the coal mine to trade in kind for pharmaceuticals with coal? 
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I can easily see how it would work with an exchange medium like money, but that leaves out all the anarchists who want to abolish money and do gift economy. But intercommunal relations can't work on gifts alone. It's like the Chinese tributary system. Tributaries bring gifts to the emperor and the emperor gives gifts back - but it's really a trade system with ceremony.
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Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 posted:Anarchists don't seriously think a society should or even can be based on barter, do they? no anarchist who has put any serious thought into the matter holds to this, but the subjects of this thread? yeah probably, the evergreen mentions of liberal tendencies and coming from privilege are very apt, so you do get a ton of common attitudes with opposing ideological polarities between ancaps and crimethinc dilettantes
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I can easily see how it would work with an exchange medium like money, but that leaves out all the anarchists who want to abolish money and do gift economy. But intercommunal relations can't work on gifts alone. It's like the Chinese tributary system. Tributaries bring gifts to the emperor and the emperor gives gifts back - but it's really a trade system with ceremony. the main difference between a gift economy and a "trade system with ceremony" is whether you're a human being who feels things or a lovely robot that processes transactions. you're handwaving thousands of years of experience with a line like "intercommunal relations can't work on gifts alone" and it's incredibly lame. i'd say just google "potlatch" but i'm sure you can find an analysis of that that fits your poo poo if you want
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pnac attack posted:the main difference between a gift economy and a "trade system with ceremony" is whether you're a human being who feels things or a lovely robot that processes transactions. you're handwaving thousands of years of experience with a line like "intercommunal relations can't work on gifts alone" and it's incredibly lame. i'd say just google "potlatch" but i'm sure you can find an analysis of that that fits your poo poo if you want For the last time, I'm not trading you my medicine for your salmon.
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pnac attack posted:the main difference between a gift economy and a "trade system with ceremony" is whether you're a human being who feels things or a lovely robot that processes transactions. you're handwaving thousands of years of experience with a line like "intercommunal relations can't work on gifts alone" and it's incredibly lame. i'd say just google "potlatch" but i'm sure you can find an analysis of that that fits your poo poo if you want Why don't you google potlatch, and explain to me how it has anything to do with what we're talking about?
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pnac attack posted:i'd say just google "potlatch" lmfao
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gradenko_2000 posted:lmfao
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Dreddout posted:For the last time, I'm not trading you my medicine for your salmon. I need wood and stone. I already make enough wheat on this tile.
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pnac attack posted:i'd say just google "potlatch" but i'm sure you can find an analysis of that that fits your poo poo if you want this has to be a clever troll lmao
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pnac attack posted:the main difference between a gift economy and a "trade system with ceremony" is whether you're a human being who feels things or a lovely robot that processes transactions. you're handwaving thousands of years of experience with a line like "intercommunal relations can't work on gifts alone" and it's incredibly lame. i'd say just google "potlatch" but i'm sure you can find an analysis of that that fits your poo poo if you want lol why are you all so goddamn stupid
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gradenko_2000 posted:lmfao
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You ask how we're going to make our own food? I'd say just google "potluck"
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just dropped a huge gift in the communal toilet gonn need a pot latch 
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pnac attack posted:the main difference between a gift economy and a "trade system with ceremony" is whether you're a human being who feels things or a lovely robot that processes transactions. you're handwaving thousands of years of experience with a line like "intercommunal relations can't work on gifts alone" and it's incredibly lame. i'd say just google "potlatch" but i'm sure you can find an analysis of that that fits your poo poo if you want you're not selling me on any mode of production that lacks a comprehensive accounting system
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pnac attack posted:google "potlatch" quote:A potlatch involves giving away or destroying wealth or valuable items in order to demonstrate a leader's wealth and power.  pnac attack posted:but i'm sure you can find an analysis of that that fits your poo poo if you want Oh whoops looks like you got me
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pnac has already foreclosed on any technological, industrial society as being categorically evil already and that humanity should be culled back to tribal levels (that won't reassert a hierarchical industrial society because ???). While I have no doubt tribal practices work for tribal societies I don't think a potlatch is going to cut it in determining JIT input networks between a chemical synthesizers and medical manufacturers anyway quote:Only rich people could host a potlatch. Tribal slaves were not allowed to attend a potlatch as a host or a guest.
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small children have a better grasp of how the world and society works than any anarchist ever has or will
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“google potlach” dear god you lot have actual, gigantic cognitive deficiencies
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bi crimes posted:Is there any meaningful differences between Anarchists and libertarians? Or any flavor of anarchosyndicalism/anarchocommunism vs "right" anarchism (libertarians, ancap, etc). It just seems like anarchists are libertarians that adopt leftist aesthetics and give lip service to woke poo poo? And maybe donate cans of soup to homeless people instead of wearing bow ties? The second is that they're deeply suspicious of any power that goes beyond a network of people that they personally know. In the absence of larger structures, libertarians imagine that society will be governed by contracts while anarchists put their faith in some vague sense of community. Either one, put into practice, is just a return to feudalism. And neither one will likely be put into practice except by necessity if and when those larger social structures collapse. But I'm talking about people I know in real life--I can't really account for the Twitter anarchists who always seem to be hippie rich kids on a perpetual gap year, and who always seem to parrot US foreign policy positions. Also, to all the people pointing out that the Twitter reply I posted is from someone with bad opinions: who cares? Halloween Jack has issued a correction as of 16:18 on Feb 7, 2022 |
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Dreddout posted:For the last time, I'm not trading you my medicine for your salmon. salmon seems like it could be a good trade they are probably going to be trying to trade away tub grown tilapia most of the year
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:You ask how we're going to make our own food? I'd say just google "potluck" there's a whole lot to eat literally just waiting for you to pick it up and put it in your mouth. beautiful cycles of life with room for us to participate. not enough for a horrible swarm of farm-raised "citizens" 8 billion+ strong, but we been there and like you said i don't think there's a decent way to do that at all. bunch of indoor-living computer touchers lining up to dunk on subsistence living/the very idea of sharing without coercion is super depressing. y'all more closely aligned with bezos than someone like me
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pnac attack posted:there's a whole lot to eat literally just waiting for you to pick it up and put it in your mouth. beautiful cycles of life with room for us to participate. im not eating your bathroom fungus
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pnac attack posted:not enough for a horrible swarm of farm-raised "citizens" 8 billion+ strong, but we been there and like you said i don't think there's a decent way to do that at all. starve yourself to death first you retarded bitch (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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idk what the anarchists have against famine apparently that's just one big opportunity
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pnac attack posted:there's a whole lot to eat literally just waiting for you to pick it up and put it in your mouth. beautiful cycles of life with room for us to participate. you are a loving dumbass lol
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pnac attack posted:there's a whole lot to eat literally just waiting for you to pick it up and put it in your mouth. beautiful cycles of life with room for us to participate.
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lmao i'm glad i keep this thread bookmarked to check in on every few days, otherwise i wouldn't have learned that ecofascism is an integral part of anarchist society
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Raskolnikov38 posted:starve yourself to death first you retarded bitch can't, these dang fish keep showing up every year... Azathoth posted:is this like a reverse holodomor, where instead of a shitload of people die to fuel industrialization a shitload of people die because the forest can't grow enough nuts and berries? i just looked that up and... wiki posted:The term Holodomor emphasises the famine's man-made and allegedly intentional aspects such as rejection of outside aid, confiscation of all household foodstuffs and restriction of population movement. not at all
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Anarchism is when I eat things I found on the ground. Communism is when my mom doesn't let me do that. Fascism is when we get kicked out of Five Guys.
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scratch an anarchist and... wait you dumbass i have to scratch you first before you go bleeding your fascist blood!
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