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Captain Hygiene posted:Add in either fighting mechanics or logic-based dialogue combat, boom problem solved The Bigs had a minigame where one player controls the coach trying to argue with the umpire to change his call, and the other player controls the umpire and can throw him out of the game if the coach crosses a line.
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Gay Rat Wedding posted:I check the star citizen thread every so often to see how things are going. Looking good! Good to know that the slug people from bloodborne made it to space.
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Waste of Breath posted:Adding challenges to sports games is stupid because it's either adding wrong calls and testing the player's ability to assess based on whatever viewpoint the game decides to give you, or just a pitfall. Realism to the detriment of the medium. I mean, it depends on your utility from the game. Is it to "make the most baseball-like video game experience following the rules of good video game design" or "simulate accurately a game of baseball, within the restrictions of a video game" (that is; is it a baseball experience first, or a video game first?)
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Neito posted:I mean, it depends on your utility from the game. Is it to "make the most baseball-like video game experience following the rules of good video game design" or "simulate accurately a game of baseball, within the restrictions of a video game" (that is; is it a baseball experience first, or a video game first?) I think it's a waste of time to add things like artificial challenges for the sake of reality if you can literally program umpires to make the right call every time. That's why we have silly poo poo like that clip. I think it would be different if the deciding factor wasn't something caused by a fallible human, but when you have the ability to break down any decision to a 1 or a 0, creating human qualities in an artificial way is difficult. But another thought I had too was how you can create AI to make bad decisions or drop easy balls is probably done on some sort of dice roll combined with a specific stat. Does that get applied to umpires in game too maybe? I dunno, it just seems ridiculous to me to have these things in game when it's all done by a computer, which is what some people wish it was in real life anyways to get rid of things like replays or challenges.
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cage-free egghead posted:I think it's a waste of time to add things like artificial challenges for the sake of reality if you can literally program umpires to make the right call every time. Are the umpires part of the game, or are they a thing outside of the game? The existence of challenges here implies that the developers of that game think the umps are part of it. It would also be valid to make a game where the umpires are simply the means by which the computer relays its measurements of gameplay to the player, and that would also be valid.
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sports game with steroids and drug tests plz
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Oops! All umpires!
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I mentioned this in some other thread about video games, but I found that in Mafia III, the more memory that was being occupied by other poo poo (streaming Netflix and Hulu with an absurd number of open tabs on another monitor in my case when I learned this trick) the longer it would take to spawn enemies. However, mission-specific objects would spawn immediately. So if the mission was to fight my way through 100 rednecks just to steal a briefcase, I frequently could get in and out before anyone appeared. However, this trick was really unreliable. More often than not, it would just spawn all the enemies right when I was in the middle of them and they would just tear me to poo poo with a single unified shotgun blast from all angles.
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credburn posted:I mentioned this in some other thread about video games, but I found that in Mafia III, the more memory that was being occupied by other poo poo (streaming Netflix and Hulu with an absurd number of open tabs on another monitor in my case when I learned this trick) the longer it would take to spawn enemies. However, mission-specific objects would spawn immediately. So if the mission was to fight my way through 100 rednecks just to steal a briefcase, I frequently could get in and out before anyone appeared. please try to get a clip of that lol
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https://clips.twitch.tv/YummyGleamingCookieHeyGuys-eykZ4uqcAv5ZYxgQ
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did hitting the sword kill him?
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Carthag Tuek posted:did hitting the sword kill him? While die-hards claim that dodging is a better combat style, the video shows just how viable parrying can be.
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oh does the lore screen thing mean he won even though he died? sorry its just a very short clip and i havent played dark souls(?) so i lack the context
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Carthag Tuek posted:oh does the lore screen thing mean he won even though he died? sorry its just a very short clip and i havent played dark souls(?) so i lack the context nah I'm saying the statue obviously got gud at parrying
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Carthag Tuek posted:oh does the lore screen thing mean he won even though he died? sorry its just a very short clip and i havent played dark souls(?) so i lack the context The lore screen happens during load times. In the clip, he runs up to the statue and hits it because it's supposed to be an illusory wall that disappears. Instead, he gets teleported way out of bounds and dies instantly (because the statue got gud at parrying)
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ah! thanks both 
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credburn posted:I mentioned this in some other thread about video games, but I found that in Mafia III, the more memory that was being occupied by other poo poo (streaming Netflix and Hulu with an absurd number of open tabs on another monitor in my case when I learned this trick) the longer it would take to spawn enemies. However, mission-specific objects would spawn immediately. So if the mission was to fight my way through 100 rednecks just to steal a briefcase, I frequently could get in and out before anyone appeared. this sounds like a real nightmare for speedrunners
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Doc Hawkins posted:this sounds like a real nightmare for speedrunners any% NN (Netflix no)
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The Cheshire Cat posted:I feel like if you push the button to challenge there, the game should just go "oh so you're going to be that kind of manager, huh?" and you get to watch your coach get into a real-time 15 minute argument with the umpire that he eventually loses. No no, this is modern baseball, he gets thrown out of the game
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mandatory lesbian posted:No no, this is modern baseball, he gets thrown out of the game It can be both, and often is. I for one miss Lou Pinnella. 
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The best use of the kinect ever was sports game ls saying "the manager is getting heated!" Or tossing you unsportsmanlike conduct penalties when it detected swearing.
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Barudak posted:The best use of the kinect ever was sports game ls saying "the manager is getting heated!" Or tossing you unsportsmanlike conduct penalties when it detected swearing. Lmao that rules
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IIRC it was an NBA game and it would call a technical foul on you
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Barudak posted:The best use of the kinect ever was sports game ls saying "the manager is getting heated!" Or tossing you unsportsmanlike conduct penalties when it detected swearing. That's loving awesome lol
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Christ, why can't they do that with game chat now? I'm not saying to scan for general swearing, but are you telling me we can't get an algorithm to recognize the N word? And maybe not punish in game, but maybe filter on matchmaking?
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CzarChasm posted:Christ, why can't they do that with game chat now? battlefield V’s chat word blacklist was created by an algorithm based on the words it thought were part of hostile communication instead of a human-verified list, and it censored the text “uhh” while letting the N word through lol
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It's more or less inevitable that any kind of machine-learning system will absorb a non-zero amount of bias from its creators, and when you take an already biased system and let gamers teach it, of course you're going to end up with something that is both stupid and racist 
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CzarChasm posted:Christ, why can't they do that with game chat now? Because if you start punishing slurs in English, you have to be careful so you aren't punishing people talking in other languages. It's already an issue in text chat, adding speech detection is going to make it a lot worse with accents and false positives due to non optimal environment.
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Algorithm banning the n-word also starts banning chinese players saying "that one"
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Hel posted:Because if you start punishing slurs in English, you have to be careful so you aren't punishing people talking in other languages. It's already an issue in text chat, adding speech detection is going to make it a lot worse with accents and false positives due to non optimal environment. Also you can just ask what flavor the blue can of Pringles are
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thecluckmeme posted:Also you can just ask what flavor the blue can of Pringles are Salt and vinegar?
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Now say "vinegar" out loud and imagine an AI's reaction to that.
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Intel seems to have tried this a while back but I don't know if anything ever came of it. The toggle is just a masterstroke of poor design.  "Doktor, release my N-Word inhibitors!" 
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I mean, its all a very overcomplicated solution to "disable chat by default", the thing statistically the vast majority of players either prefer or don't care about.
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Add those controls to various websites and programs. Set all of them to max but have them do nothing. Ban everyone who tries to release their slur inhibitors.
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There's also the issue of companies just being dumb and lazy. I know Capcom used one universal banlist for non-JP users, so words like "bite" in Monster Hunter was banned because it meant "cock" in French or some poo poo.
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monster hunter tri’s universal censor included the word “after” because of german or something, leading to exchanges like “after this, let’s do something else” reading as “[censored] this, let’s do something else”
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Barudak posted:I mean, its all a very overcomplicated solution to "disable chat by default", the thing statistically the vast majority of players either prefer or don't care about. I'd love to see numbers on this, preferably via telemetry and broken down by genre of game. Wherever the subject comes up the conversation is dominated by people with seething contempt for chat and people who use it, but I can never tell if that's goons being misanthropic elitists, everyone who shares their opinion being a competitive moba player or whatever, or if that's actually representative of gamers in general and I'm the weird one. Because I can't remember the last time I ran across a high enough concentration of assholes that muting/teamkilling them was enough work to even consider disabling chat entirely and missing out on meltdowns from people I kill, etc.
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grass assassin
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