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LoL it really boggles my mind that you can be such a world class talent like McKinnon or Nielsen, people with really timeless style that defies genre and inspires literally thousands of people all over the world to become artists themselves… and you can still be like so fuckin stupidFramboise posted:I'm so conflicted because my current playmat of choice is the collab art between Seb and Rebecca. I don't really know what to do, it honestly looks more like a Guay piece more so than a Seb piece imo. I would ask yourself “Does Rebecca Guay want me to throw about the playmat I bought from her?”
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This is why I have a little card I put on the table before every match that reads "views expressed by the artists of these game pieces do not represent the views of I Before E" That and, of course, to go with the card I put on the table after the match that says "no Fblthps were harmed in the playing of this match"
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As long as my Invoke Prejudice playmat isn't problematic, then this is all fine. I know it is. I am joking and nothing is fine.
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Once again, I think we’re all sort of making up an imaginary Magic the Gathering player who will sit down for a friendly game of commander, see an original Terese Nielsen Force of Will, and then pitch a poo poo fit about you using cards by problematic artists. All of this hemming and hawing over expensive designer playmats and art prints and so on is coming from a good place of not wanting to support bad people, but in actuality you’re kind of creating an alternate reality where playing a game of commander with a Seb McKinnon playmat somehow means you endorse his anti-vaxx/bodily autonomy viewpoints and that’s JUST NOT IT loving WORKS, any more than using my original Force of Will in my deck makes me a CHUD or a transphobe. You’re creating an imaginary MtG player who is some fragile woke Tumblr person that can’t even LOOK at a thumbnail sized painting of a spooky wizard man or mystical lake ghost without being triggered by that image into… remembering that the person who painted that thing is stupid? What? It’s like going to a party and and hearing a song by The Beatles or David Bowie come on over the speakers and instantly assuming that the host beats his wife or fucks kids, it’s completely insane to make that assessment and is more or less totally performative. If YOU PERSONALLY can’t look at Force of Will or Damnation without thinking of those people and their bad ideas and it instantly bums you out, feel free to swap them around. But I am literally begging you not to make up an imaginary victim in your mind and create a fantasy scenario where they are about to feint from your rude art cards and you heroically swap them out for Rebecca Guay basics.
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Feb 9, 2022 16:11
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Grevlek posted:i totally understand it is very chud-brained, just not sure if it's chud-brained enough I can get away with getting a Hanna playmat Not sure what you mean, it's very pretty art, and would make a lovely playmat  Is there some sort of alternate world where Hanna has art other than the two versions from Double Masters and Invasion? 
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So im looking at more zombies i can potentially slap into my deck. what are your opinions on: Graveborn Must Soulless One Noxious Ghoul Gempalm Polluter I know people suggested Noxious Ghoul and another which I think was called plague belcher or something like that, but i was preoccupied and can't remember now.
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Batterypowered7 posted:Do you have any of the Kaldheim ones in your list, like Narfi and the dude that exiles creatures opponents control that die? Name them please. I haven't updated my decklist yet since i've been swapping cards out.
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Bust Rodd posted:If YOU PERSONALLY can’t look at Force of Will or Damnation without thinking of those people and their bad ideas and it instantly bums you out, feel free to swap them around. But I am literally begging you not to make up an imaginary victim in your mind and create a fantasy scenario where they are about to feint from your rude art cards and you heroically swap them out for Rebecca Guay basics. That's the thing though, it bums me out. I'll use my Nielsen FoW (and hell, my McNeill Sylvan Library) because it's the only version of the cards I have and I'm not about to drop like 40 for another Library or 100 for another FoW. But I have other playmats, and it sucks because I still really like Seb's art but it's conflicting with me being supremely disappointed with him as a person right now and that, at least currently, is the feeling I primarily think about when I look at them, not how cool the art looks. I don't really give a poo poo what someone else thinks about the cards I play or the mat I use-- hell, I'm tempted to sell some of those mats, someone else can use them-- it's just that Seb's art bums me out on a personal level right now, probably even more so than Nielsen's. The real answer is that Johannes Voss needs to do some playmats with his new Secret Lair art. 
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Bust Rodd posted:Once again, I think we’re all sort of making up an imaginary Magic the Gathering player who will sit down for a friendly game of commander, see an original Terese Nielsen Force of Will, and then pitch a poo poo fit about you using cards by problematic artists. All of this hemming and hawing over expensive designer playmats and art prints and so on is coming from a good place of not wanting to support bad people, but in actuality you’re kind of creating an alternate reality where playing a game of commander with a Seb McKinnon playmat somehow means you endorse his anti-vaxx/bodily autonomy viewpoints and that’s JUST NOT IT loving WORKS, any more than using my original Force of Will in my deck makes me a CHUD or a transphobe. For once I agree with Rodd, handwringing about an artists views on a magic card or a playmat is performative liberal bullshit. Don't give a CHUD artist money, don't buy future products from them, but if you bought something in the past worrying about card art seems pretty meaningless, especially when you rush out to consume something else, ultimately supporting the same lovely capitalist structure that enables gross people like that.
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Feb 9, 2022 18:16
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it's also meaningless to Wizards/Hasbro unless you're trying to boycott magic products in general over it or something, which no one is doing ofc i'm just gonna keep separating the art from the artist and let the people with the actual power to sign his contracts decide how much they want to torpedo his livelihood over this stuff, performative consumption is worthless
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Framboise posted:I don't really give a poo poo what someone else thinks about the cards I play or the mat I use-- hell, I'm tempted to sell some of those mats, someone else can use them-- it's just that Seb's art bums me out on a personal level right now, probably even more so than Nielsen's. Just put them in storage and see how you feel in 6 months or whatever. Dizz posted:Name them please. I haven't updated my decklist yet since i've been swapping cards out. Here's a list of the Kaldheim zombies, they're talking about Draugr Necromancer and Narfi, Betrayer King specifically. Going through the others you mentioned: Graveborn Muse - staples a phyrexian arena to each of your zombies, if it kills you, then hats off to the aggro player that did the first 28 damage. Great card, 4 mana is a fair bit so be aware of that. Soulless One - Fun, not good. Noxious Ghoul - cleans up the board and clears the way for you to just swing out 1-2 people that turn. Expensive, but there are lots of little tricks that can really punish people for leaving him "alive" Gempalm Polluter - more cycling never hurts, and returning it to hand then re-cycling it can often mean opponents lose 20 life in one turn. It only hits one person though and can draw a lot of heat because of that. Plague Belcher - zombie aristocrats are pretty solid but require a little too much setup for a lot of situations. When it works, you're sacrificing everything to phyrexian altar then casting living death to win. When it doesn't, you're dropping a 5/4 and watching it sit there for 4 turns doing nothing.
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https://www.moxfield.com/decks/3Xaxc8zZSUmtdUDWVezA-A I updated my list. Sideboard is cards i am waiting on, and i've also added a few cards in considering. No. I don't have Narfi or any of those. I don't run snow covered lands, not like it helps much. I considered Fallen Ideal as a sacrifice outlet should i somehow not have access to anything else. Ashnod's gives me a bunch of mana should I need to pay a fat spell or an X card. works perfectly with Wilhelt and Poppet stitcher. Exquisite Blood would be great as a lifegain source since a lot of this deck loves to drain my life so it would be pretty welcome if i decide to get that. I still really would like more lifegain sources if possible but that's pretty impossible since it's dimir.
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Bust Rodd posted:If YOU PERSONALLY can’t look at Force of Will or Damnation without thinking of those people and their bad ideas and it instantly bums you out, feel free to swap them around. But I am literally begging you not to make up an imaginary victim in your mind and create a fantasy scenario where they are about to feint from your rude art cards and you heroically swap them out for Rebecca Guay basics. I'm the kind of weirdo who destroys the value of my card collection by getting things signed and altered. I just wish McKinnon outed himself as a chud before I bought and traded for foils with his art on them and figuring out how to get them signed rather than get the regular version and get somebody to paint over them. The world isn't going to end either way though.
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Just bring back Phil and Kaja for every card
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The way I look at it, me using a Seb playmat or having Mythos prints up in my office isn't going to convince someone to buy those things, because they can't anymore. And if someone asks I can tell them that he was a good artist before he went full chud. That said my secret Santa got me a secretgp playmat and I can't wait for an opportunity to spring that on my opponent.
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Toph Bei Fong posted:Not sure what you mean, it's very pretty art, and would make a lovely playmat Not my Hanna.
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Heath posted:Just bring back Phil and Kaja for every card My Sorceress Queen playmat approves this message.
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I just got in late on the Johannes Voss kickstarted playmats, so I’m a happy camper (as long as Johannes doesn’t reveal himself to be a fash weirdo for some reason).
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Is there a good site to get a pdf I can send to staples to print out some quick-and-dirty proxies for a friend who is thinking about getting into CEDH? I don't really like the way Moxfield's look.
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They're a newer artist, but I like Tianhua X's art.
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fadam posted:Is there a good site to get a pdf I can send to staples to print out some quick-and-dirty proxies for a friend who is thinking about getting into CEDH? I don't really like the way Moxfield's look. Low effort with good enough results: Copy/paste from scryfall into a Google doc, resize images to 2.5 inches wide.
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TotalHell posted:I just got in late on the Johannes Voss kickstarted playmats, so I’m a happy camper (as long as Johannes doesn’t reveal himself to be a fash weirdo for some reason). ... ..... I didn't actually know it was going on. That's what I was mentioning in my last post and I was too late there too. I wanted a Carpet of Flowers mat. 
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Framboise posted:... Go to the Kickstarter and ask to be added via the “Missed out? Contact us here!” button. That’s what I did last night and I got in and paid this morning. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/originalmagicart/johannes-voss-playmat-collection Actually I didn’t even technically ask to be added, I just asked to be alerted when they sold the extra in the Magic art store (since they said that’s what they’d do). And the manager of the project just…added me as a backer. So give it a try if you want that Carpet of Flowers mat! I’m super stoked to get my Dog Plains mat!
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I loving love the grouchy old man who runs a nearby LGS and gives no fucks about street dates especially MTG related poo poo. Sold me 3 pre-release packs. Now I get to open them during work! 
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Toshimo posted:Not my Hanna. i see what you did there
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TotalHell posted:Go to the Kickstarter and ask to be added via the “Missed out? Contact us here!” button. That’s what I did last night and I got in and paid this morning. I'll look into it, thanks! Jiro posted:I loving love the grouchy old man who runs a nearby LGS and gives no fucks about street dates especially MTG related poo poo. Sold me 3 pre-release packs. Now I get to open them during work! Post ur pulls
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Also, to people who were as dumb as I was to miss out on the card before it spiked: Rhythm of the Wild is getting a reprint in the RG precon and is down to like 2bux. Snap it up, it's a cool card.
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Hey commander thread! I just played a weekend full of commander so I've got the itch to build my own deck, now that my Sliver Me Timbers deck is complete. I want to build a mill deck based around Grolnok. I've never built a mill deck, and also have only been playing commander for a few months; before they I stopped playing right when Planeswalkers came out. So... I don't have much commander knowledge, or a lot of 'new' card mechanics(Monstrous? wut), or even a lot of the basic cards (I think I own exactly one Sol Ring...). Was hoping for tips/tricks to build the deck, and maybe if there's somewhere with a kind of beginner Commander knowledge, if that thing exists. Oh and also, any recs for an online place to buy sleeves/card boxes? I want to get pirate themed stuff for my Slivers deck...  Thanks!
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1) google whatever your closest LGS is and see if you can order stuff online from a local retailer. If not, doesn’t Commander Mechanic (a goon) have a discount code for TCG player? I could have sworn they posted it before, support fam 2) New player Grolnok Heuristics A) 37-ish lands, you want more than normal because it’s a panda matter deck B) at least 10 ‘draw’ spells, at least 7-10 removal spells, maybe 4-5 mass removal spells, and probably at least 12-16 ramp spells. Look for stuff that synergises with Grolnok, but your fun and flavorful deck won’t really function in multiplayer without answers and mana.
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Bust Rodd posted:1) google whatever your closest LGS is and see if you can order stuff online from a local retailer. If not, doesn’t Commander Mechanic (a goon) have a discount code for TCG player? I could have sworn they posted it before, support fam Yup, referral stuff for TCG Player and Hairy Tarantula (if you don’t mind your stuff coming from Canada). All that is in the description of any of my videos on YouTube. I also have a Grolnok list & deck tech up there, just search for Commander Mechanic on the tubes.
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Most excellent, thanks for the tips! I know the like absolute basics about Commander regarding ramping, general card ratios and whatnot, I guess I should've specified that more mechanics based tips/tricks were what I need help with, since I'm so fuckin out of the loop  I just got my first Planeswalker, ever, yesterday in a trade, so  I've got some random mill stuff here and there so I should see what I have available first, I guess!Question though: I'm not quite sure what "new player Grolnok heuristics" is, is that a specific guide, or? Balon posted:just search for Commander Mechanic on the tubes. Oh this channel looks right up my alley, +1 subscriber and I'm sure I'll use a referral link or two from you!
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This is the Grolnok deck Jon Suarez played back in November 2021: https://old.starcitygames.com/decks/154823 Might have some good ideas? I believe he won the match of Commander VS he played with it, whatever that's worth.
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Batterypowered7 posted:This is the Grolnok deck Jon Suarez played back in November 2021: https://old.starcitygames.com/decks/154823 Excellent, also very helpful! Dumb commander question: what does a "tribal" deck mean?
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Johnny Truant posted:Excellent, also very helpful! A tribal deck is generally a deck built around a creature type, like zombie or elf or whatever
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Johnny Truant posted:Excellent, also very helpful! tribes are a specific "creature type matters" kind of deck like elves, goblins, zombies, etc - the game plan being to play that creature type until you can crush everyone with your horde of birds or whatever they're typically an easy way to build synergies, lots of "lord" types that buff all the other minotaurs or whatever on your side are p standard to see in them
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Johnny Truant posted:Excellent, also very helpful! Tribal generally means a deck populated with cards consisting mostly of one creature type. It doesn't have to be strictly those. For example, I have a Marchesa, the Black Rose rogues tribal deck. She herself is not a rogue, but her colors and her abilities synergize well with them. I run a lot of cards that buff rogues. You might also hear it used to describe a deck built around an archetype ("flying tribal," "board wipe tribal") but in general it's surrounding creature types.
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Batterypowered7 posted:This is the Grolnok deck Jon Suarez played back in November 2021: https://old.starcitygames.com/decks/154823 Let me preface this with: Thanks for recommending this and I'm not mad at you. I hate basically everything about this deck and would recommend it to nobody. It is completely unfocused. It has a ton of 4 and 5 card minithemes that don't pay off, a couple of non-bos, and worst of all, it doesn't seem to leverage the most interaction: getting spell effects off milled cards (for instance, MDFCs or 187s). This is exacerbated by the SCG deck list basically being impossible to read, which is really annoying from a company that should know how to publish deck lists. I think my biggest recommendation for making a list with this guy is to (A) pick 1 or 2 wincons (probably either labman variants or maybe a weird storm thing) and (B) avoid playing a bunch of meaningless mill durdles (Crop Sigil? Universal Automaton? Really?).
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