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Grendels Dad posted:I *think* you can see that she walks off with the Fu Manchu looking motherfucker and I like to think that he has special ninja training to overcome those awkward moments in conversations whenever R'as does this. Birds-eye view of two dozen ninjas in formation practicing their small-talk katas. "Would that it were so simple, H'YAH!"
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Barry Foster posted:lol what an autocorrect Give Jodie Whittaker the job, she's free now.
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Feb 9, 2022 12:32
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Burton still did the best Gotham and every day we move further from the Bat Signal's light.
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Barry Foster posted:lol what an autocorrect Or Penguin. Cast Danilelle Devito
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Mordiceius posted:Burton still did the best Gotham and every day we move further from the Bat Signal's light. I dunno, Batman & Robin portraying Gotham as the Blade Runner megalopolis is up there
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The_Doctor posted:The version I really don’t like, is the DCEU one where it’s just across a bay from Metropolis. In about 20 years, that’ll just be the same city. That's how it's been in the comics since the 80s. Gotham is on the southern coast of New Jersey and Metropolis is across Delaware Bay in Delaware.
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ynohtna posted:Birds-eye view of two dozen ninjas in formation practicing their small-talk katas. Traditionally social stealth was absolutely part of being a ninja. Probably one of the most important parts. Necrothatcher posted:I've always hated this extremely unimaginative take. Metropolis and Gotham have their own clear identities separate from any real-world city. That horse bolted a long time ago. 'Gotham' is literally an old nickname for New York. Funny thing is in the comics New York still exists, and is sometimes called 'The Cinderella City' because its IRL prominence is diminished by how Gotham and Metropolis fill its roles. Adaptations mix it up, with BTAS having mentions of 'Gotham State' and implications it flat out replaces NYC, and BvS has Gotham and Metropolis be basically Manhattan and New Jersey.
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Barry Foster posted:lol what an autocorrect Outside chance that this may happen in the upcoming Flash movie, if rumours are true that Michael Keaton is playing Thomas Wayne in the Flashpoint alternate universe rather than the Burton universe Bruce Wayne. In Flashpoint, it's Bruce that's killed in the alleyway, Martha becomes the Joker and Thomas becomes Batman
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2house2fly posted:I dunno, Batman & Robin portraying Gotham as the Blade Runner megalopolis is up there B&R is probably the closest the movies ever got to the animated series when it comes to the city(gaudiness aside).
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Batman Begins has the coolest, most Gotham feeling Gotham to me out of the Nolan movies. There's nothing in the sequels that feels as...weird as The Narrows felt in Batman Begins. The Gotham of the sequels both just feel like the cities they were shot in. The Narrows, at least, feels like comic book Gotham. Plus, there's the whole train running through Gotham in Begins that, obviously, is gone in the sequels.Adrianics posted:Outside chance that this may happen in the upcoming Flash movie, if rumours are true that Michael Keaton is playing Thomas Wayne in the Flashpoint alternate universe rather than the Burton universe Bruce Wayne. In Flashpoint, it's Bruce that's killed in the alleyway, Martha becomes the Joker and Thomas becomes Batman It's been forever since I read Flashpoint, or watched the animated film adaptation. Did they give a reason why Thomas also became Batman instead of, I don't know, any other form of super hero? Did he also fall into the cave, find the bats, develop a fear of them (only as an adult), and also decide to use that fear against his enemies? Or did they just leave it at, "He's Batman, now. Don't ask too many questions."
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Feb 9, 2022 16:11
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The_Doctor posted:The version I really don’t like, is the DCEU one where it’s just across a bay from Metropolis. In about 20 years, that’ll just be the same city. If it makes you feel any better, nobody thinks San Diego and Los Angeles are the same city despite the fact that they *sorta* blend into each other and don't require a ferry ride.
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Feb 9, 2022 16:18
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thrawn527 posted:It's been forever since I read Flashpoint, or watched the animated film adaptation. Did they give a reason why Thomas also became Batman instead of, I don't know, any other form of super hero? Did he also fall into the cave, find the bats, develop a fear of them (only as an adult), and also decide to use that fear against his enemies? Or did they just leave it at, "He's Batman, now. Don't ask too many questions." He should have become Spider-man
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thrawn527 posted:Batman Begins has the coolest, most Gotham feeling Gotham to me out of the Nolan movies. There's nothing in the sequels that feels as...weird as The Narrows felt in Batman Begins. The Gotham of the sequels both just feel like the cities they were shot in. The Narrows, at least, feels like comic book Gotham. Plus, there's the whole train running through Gotham in Begins that, obviously, is gone in the sequels. There is a frequently slipped into canon story where the costume Batman wears was based off one Thomas Wayne wore to a party where he foiled a robbery. I think it is based on that.
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RBA Starblade posted:He should have become Spider-man 
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ImpAtom posted:There is a frequently slipped into canon story where the costume Batman wears was based off one Thomas Wayne wore to a party where he foiled a robbery. I think it is based on that. That's right, I vaguely recall this now. Thanks! I honestly wasn't expecting a real answer!
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ImpAtom posted:There is a frequently slipped into canon story where the costume Batman wears was based off one Thomas Wayne wore to a party where he foiled a robbery. I think it is based on that. I quite like the touch in Begins that the cape, besides just being great for BASE jumping, reminds him of when on the night of his parents’ murder, Gordon put his fathers coat around his shoulders.
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thrawn527 posted:Batman Begins has the coolest, most Gotham feeling Gotham to me out of the Nolan movies. There's nothing in the sequels that feels as...weird as The Narrows felt in Batman Begins. The Gotham of the sequels both just feel like the cities they were shot in. The Narrows, at least, feels like comic book Gotham. Plus, there's the whole train running through Gotham in Begins that, obviously, is gone in the sequels. --The Narrows is "lost" --You have a bunch of criminals who escaped from Arkham but have had their minds warped with the fear toxin. Batman Begins really does end in a place where you can imagine this urban hellscape and an in-universe reason why you have these lunatics in costumes outside of the vague idea of escalation. I'm really happy with the movies we got, but it's really been undervalued how well Begins stands on its own. Goyer's script is legit clunky at times though.
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thrawn527 posted:Batman Begins has the coolest, most Gotham feeling Gotham to me out of the Nolan movies. There's nothing in the sequels that feels as...weird as The Narrows felt in Batman Begins. The Gotham of the sequels both just feel like the cities they were shot in. The Narrows, at least, feels like comic book Gotham. Plus, there's the whole train running through Gotham in Begins that, obviously, is gone in the sequels. No loving question and moving away from that aesthetic dragged the sequels down a notch for me and actually somehow managed to make things look MORE weird. I'm not sure why Nolan got away from that and went from a real Gotham to "Batman in Chicago" and "Batman in Pittsburgh". It kind of took me out the films being able to recognize actual places I've been and streets I've walked down to where everything looked normal and, oddly, made Batman, his gadgets, Joker and Bane seem more out of place and, in what is supposed to be a "grounded" movie, a bit less believable. Burton's films used the city as a character and a tone setter. So did Batman Begins.
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I'd argue The Dark Knight is the only movie where the people of Gotham itself really feel like characters and their safety feels at stake.
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:If it makes you feel any better, nobody thinks San Diego and Los Angeles are the same city despite the fact that they *sorta* blend into each other and don't require a ferry ride. They do require that you drive half an hour (if you're lucky) through Orange County.
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Timeless Appeal posted:I think a really interesting hook that Batman Begins ends with is: After the Schumacher disasters, there was no guarantee Begins was going to be successful or have any sequels. It wasn’t written with that in mind. Everyone thinks the Joker card at the end is a setup for TDK, but it’s really just as you said, to end on an imaginative high note for this new world that’s just been created.
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gregday posted:After the Schumacher disasters, there was no guarantee Begins was going to be successful or have any sequels. It wasn’t written with that in mind. Everyone thinks the Joker card at the end is a setup for TDK, but it’s really just as you said, to end on an imaginative high note for this new world that’s just been created. And we call that world "Chicagoburgh" Or "Pittscago" Maybe "Chittsburgh." I get they didn't know if there'd be a sequel or not but, once there was, why remove the rather good and successful backdrop/city you created and film on Michigan Avenue?
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thrawn527 posted:Batman Begins has the coolest, most Gotham feeling Gotham to me out of the Nolan movies. There's nothing in the sequels that feels as...weird as The Narrows felt in Batman Begins. The Gotham of the sequels both just feel like the cities they were shot in. The Narrows, at least, feels like comic book Gotham. Plus, there's the whole train running through Gotham in Begins that, obviously, is gone in the sequels. Gotham in Batman Begins is my favorite of any of the movies because it looks like Detroit with Kowloon City grafted on to it (the Narrows). The atmosphere is just unmatched by any of the environments in the sequels, where Gotham is clearly not-Chicago or not-New York.
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The entire Narrows was a set constructed indoors.
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2house2fly posted:I get a tiny bit choked up at some of the big lines like "it's not who I am underneath(etc)" and "I never said thank you". The only other superhero movies that have ever got an actual emotional response from me have been the Snyder ones The ending scene of BB with Gordon's "I never said thank you" and Batman's "And you'll never have to" is for me the best one-scene distillation of Batman in any movie so far. Timeless Appeal posted:I'd argue The Dark Knight is the only movie where the people of Gotham itself really feel like characters and their safety feels at stake. For me the BvS Ultimate Edition also does this, the scenes with Clark talking with the poor people in Gotham who are terrified of Batman while also just being run down by regular criminals/cops.
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gregday posted:The entire Narrows was a set constructed indoors. Which I recall was a big complaint about Begins, and people thought The Dark Knight made a huge upgrade filming actually outside.
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Chairman Capone posted:The ending scene of BB with Gordon's "I never said thank you" and Batman's "And you'll never have to" is for me the best one-scene distillation of Batman in any movie so far. That is really good. For me it's, as cheesy as it is, "There's no one left to send in," immediately followed by the Batmobile jumping over the river to head into the Narrows to the rescue. It just WORKS for me, and is Batman, perfectly. gently caress, Batman Begins is my favorite Batman movie. thrawn527 fucked around with this message at 21:10 on Feb 9, 2022 |
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It’s so well made that the idea of an estranged billionaire vagrant loving off to a secret Tibetan monastery to train with a bunch of ninjas doesn’t seem that ridiculous.
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Batman Begins is one of my favorite Superhero movies - but TDK is one of my favorite movies ever made.
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gregday posted:The entire Narrows was a set constructed indoors. Well Kowloon City was demolished in 94 so yeah I'd be a little surprised if they had found some way to film on-site.
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2house2fly posted:
Costner's "you are my son" line delivery gets me every time. I'll go to bat for MoS too and think it's good. thrawn527 posted:
It's way up there for me. I like TDK because how can you not and Ledger is incredible in it along with a few other superhero movies but Batman Begins still resonates and gets a lot right. BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 21:59 on Feb 9, 2022 |
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There used to be a fantastic read-through of this on YouTube, but I think it got taken down...
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Mat Cauthon posted:Well Kowloon City was demolished in 94 so yeah I'd be a little surprised if they had found some way to film on-site. I think JCVD's Bloodsport, of all things, has some of the best surviving footage shot from inside Kowloon Walled City.
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Chairman Capone posted:For me the BvS Ultimate Edition also does this, the scenes with Clark talking with the poor people in Gotham who are terrified of Batman while also just being run down by regular criminals/cops. Those scenes are great, all leading up to him telling a woman to talk to him so he can stop The Bat Man with the power of journalism, and the woman saying it won't work because the only language The Bat Man understands is violence.
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I'd be hard pressed to tell you how it does so exactly, but Begins' does exist in an almost perfect sweet spot between realism and fantasy. Yeah, Gotham is clearly derived from real cities, but even outside of the narrows it just feels a bit bigger, a bit louder, a bit more surreal than it does by TDK.gregday posted:After the Schumacher disasters, there was no guarantee Begins was going to be successful or have any sequels. It wasn’t written with that in mind. Everyone thinks the Joker card at the end is a setup for TDK, but it’s really just as you said, to end on an imaginative high note for this new world that’s just been created. To add to this, Begins came out in a year when there was a strong 'are the movies over?' narrative. A lot of movies, even very big ones, struggled to find audiences. What was actually happening, obviously in retrospect, was the market changing and adapting, the worlwide box office becoming more important, and so on. Begins had a very weak opening weekend (less than 50 million in a time when every comic book movie didn't just do 100 million, but did it faster than the last one) and didn't set any records. It's exactly the sort of thing that would have been written off by the current batch at WB as a horrific failure. Looking at their weird reaction to BvS, it's crazy that Begins got not only a sequel, but its director got a larger budget and more or less a free reign.
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Russel Crowe has joined the cast of Kraven, now; someone tell me why the gently caress he's not playing Kraven.
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BiggerBoat posted:No loving question and moving away from that aesthetic dragged the sequels down a notch for me and actually somehow managed to make things look MORE weird. I'm not sure why Nolan got away from that and went from a real Gotham to "Batman in Chicago" and "Batman in Pittsburgh". It kind of took me out the films being able to recognize actual places I've been and streets I've walked down to where everything looked normal and, oddly, made Batman, his gadgets, Joker and Bane seem more out of place and, in what is supposed to be a "grounded" movie, a bit less believable. I do appreciate that it posits a world where instead of losing half its population after 1960, pittsburgh kept growing and is a big giant industrial-gilded age metropolis. i wish it were true
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Snowman_McK posted:Looking at their weird reaction to BvS, it's crazy that Begins got not only a sequel, but its director got a larger budget and more or less a free reign. It helped that Begins was actually good. The whole trilogy was pretty good tbh. I need to go look up what you were talking about regarding the dearth of good movies when it came out and see what it was competing against because I don't recall a general sense that cinema was struggling or anything but maybe it was. Nolan just made a good film with a relatively fresh take on a wildly popular character that had been languishing in obscurity after Schumacher had his way with the franchise. IIRC, it had a relatively low budget and expectations were low to middling.
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well why not posted:Russel Crowe has joined the cast of Kraven, now; someone tell me why the gently caress he's not playing Kraven.
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BiggerBoat posted:It helped that Begins was actually good. The whole trilogy was pretty good tbh. Critics and the like had been saying for years “the superhero bubble’s going to burst” “people will give up on comic book movies any day now” That was 2004 - 2007 ish oh how naïve we were.
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