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Hope the reason Goku and Vegeta arent in Super Hero is bc theyre off screen dealing with the Heaters.
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TwoPair posted:My dream for some future DB media, whether it's manga, an anime arc, or a future movie is just "Shadow Dragons but this time done well". Having some sort of actual backlash to the constant overuse of dragon balls is too good an idea to let just rot in a bad show. They proved with Broly (and arguably Kale just reviving the concept of the Legendary Super Saiyan) that they can fix/improve upon bad ideas so just... do it, man. It would completely suck and it's cool and funny that shenron was basically turned into a gag by the end of Z let alone the recent revival era stuff. It doesn't matter. Like Shenron isn't even some divine dragon, it's just some freak thing some namekians can make. He's even got stronger versions of himself when he got remade and on other alien planets and his own God equivalent in the SUper balls. Like the whole time GT is happening you just have to imagine "Man Porunga's shadow dragons could probably just whip all these losers' rear end." It also sucks because GT already introduced a set of basically evil dragon balls. It's too much Mythologizing without any of the charm and humor the rest of the franchise has. It's a bad dumb idea and I just made the next series of HEROES villains with the idea of Porunga's Shadow Dragons and I'm sorry.
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Feb 10, 2022 01:54
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Captain Baal posted:They could also just not adapt the manga arcs and do something else entirely which I would vastly prefer Given how good the anime parts were compared to the manga stuff no I think we should actually make good version of now canonical poo poo instead of letting this trash be the only version.
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Feb 10, 2022 01:55
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Captain Baal posted:They could also just not adapt the manga arcs and do something else entirely which I would vastly prefer
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Feb 10, 2022 01:55
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Shenron having to drop the act and start kissing Beerus' rear end whenever he's around is incredibly good.
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Feb 10, 2022 01:56
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Captain Baal posted:They could also just not adapt the manga arcs and do something else entirely which I would vastly prefer I heard the Morro and Granolah arcs are pretty good in some parts? What if they just didn't do the stuff that makes them shittier?
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Feb 10, 2022 02:22
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Its a bit confusing how this works at this point since such a big gap has opened up between the comic and the show. I wonder if the people behind the anime will be expected to keep things in line with the comic if it ever starts up again or if they'll be left to do their own thing with Toriyama's notes like they were previously.
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Feb 10, 2022 02:27
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TulliusCicero posted:I heard the Morro and Granolah arcs are pretty good in some parts? Moro honestly had enough good that it could easily be adapted into an improved and actually good version, you'd just have to heavily edit the Moro fight itself, everything else was pretty good. Granolah...I have my doubts. It has basically no emotional core and the villain is the blandest we've ever gotten, which is amazing when you remember Jiren existed. You'd need to rewrite it really heavily to the point that it may as well be a totally different thing.
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Feb 10, 2022 03:32
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:Given how good the anime parts were compared to the manga stuff no I think we should actually make good version of now canonical poo poo instead of letting this trash be the only version. At least adapt the Kart Race.
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Feb 10, 2022 04:19
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Blaze Dragon posted:Moro honestly had enough good that it could easily be adapted into an improved and actually good version, you'd just have to heavily edit the Moro fight itself, everything else was pretty good. ...Does Jiren even qualify as a villain? He's honestly so bland and lacking in motivation I can't see it. He's more of an obstacle or a wall then anything If anything the Zenos and the High Priest are the loving villains of the Tournament of Power for wanting to erase whole universes from existence for a loving martial arts tournament, what kinda sick poo poo is that? TulliusCicero fucked around with this message at 05:42 on Feb 10, 2022 |
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Feb 10, 2022 04:39
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Villain is a strong word but Jiren absolutely skirts the line of anti-hero and villainy to the point where calling him one isn't entirely uncalled for. ZenMasterBullshit posted:Given how good the anime parts were compared to the manga stuff no I think we should actually make good version of now canonical poo poo instead of letting this trash be the only version. This isn't going to happen. The Super anime is already very inconsistent in its quality and it made absolute poo poo out of the two movies it adapted, one of which was already bad. This is to say nothing of the manga stories being inherently poo poo that it would take an obscene degree of effort on their parts to salvage them into something good that they are better off just doing their own stuff, which the Superhero movie looks to be doing anyways as it is entirely separate from the manga with where it is. It's not like they adapted already existing stories, the anime took its own path separate from the manga in choosing how to do their stories and just did a better job even with the Future arc which has problems but I would say is still enjoyable, warts and all. Also the manga is not confirmed canon, it exists at a point where it can't screw with anything for a reason. Until something acknowledges its existence outside of Jump, calling it canon is charitable. TulliusCicero posted:I heard the Morro and Granolah arcs are pretty good in some parts? No, Moro is loving awful and Granolah is arguably worse. Moro has a few decent spots, but it is bad at its core and most of it is the bad stuff. They would have to completely redo the entire arc to the point where it doesn't resemble what it is for it to be good and at that point they should just do something else, in all honesty. It would be like trying to make something good out of Super 17, there's too much bad to salvage it.
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Feb 10, 2022 06:30
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jiren is a wrestling heel
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Captain Baal posted:Villain is a strong word but Jiren absolutely skirts the line of anti-hero and villainy to the point where calling him one isn't entirely uncalled for. Yeah the minute he opens fire on the crowd just because he's mad is a good "hey I think this guy might not be that great" moment
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TulliusCicero posted:...Does Jiren even qualify as a villain? He's honestly so bland and lacking in motivation I can't see it. He's more of an obstacle or a wall then anything They were going to erase those universes anyway, so technically the martial arts tournament was a merciful chance at a reprieve from sudden annihilation rather than merely a genocidal bloodsport.  Captain Baal posted:This isn't going to happen. The Super anime is already very inconsistent in its quality and it made absolute poo poo out of the two movies it adapted, one of which was already bad. This is to say nothing of the manga stories being inherently poo poo that it would take an obscene degree of effort on their parts to salvage them into something good that they are better off just doing their own stuff, which the Superhero movie looks to be doing anyways as it is entirely separate from the manga with where it is. It's not like they adapted already existing stories, the anime took its own path separate from the manga in choosing how to do their stories and just did a better job even with the Future arc which has problems but I would say is still enjoyable, warts and all. Yeah the Super manga and the Super anime were running at the same time and did wildly different takes on the exact same events to the point that they're not really reconcilable, so I don't think anyone needs to be concerned that the manga is some kind of immutable canon that cannot be defied. It's pretty much the same thing as most of the DBZ movies not really making sense in the context of the show's timeline - the answer is "who cares?" Kanos fucked around with this message at 06:55 on Feb 10, 2022 |
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TwoPair posted:Yeah the minute he opens fire on the crowd just because he's mad is a good "hey I think this guy might not be that great" moment Jiren shooting at the crowd is a weird moment to me because the Gods of Destruction just don't react to it at all. And the Zenos don't really give a poo poo either. Really, no one reacts to the moment aside from Goku.
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The entire thing was meant to be entertainment for Zeno, so none of the gods are going to risk interrupting the entertainment unless Zeno or the Grand Priest tells them to. If some mortals in the stands get vaporized in the process, oh well, it's not like Zeno didn't already delete an infinite number of people in the tournament already.
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I liked Moro.
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Moro was cool. Cell 2, not so much
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No Dignity posted:Moro was cool. Cell 2, not so much Yeah his second form could have used some work. But I think he overall was a good antagonist.
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No Dignity posted:Moro was cool. Cell 2, not so much Basically the same problem as Gas right now. He overstayed his welcome with an unneeded power up.
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:jiren is a wrestling heel I've said he's the Brock Lesnar of the ToP. Also ironic since Goku is kinda also playing the heel for that arc, given everyone is openly gunning for him and he loves it. TwoPair posted:Yeah, keeping kids (who were watching the previous show) watching or hooking new kids channel surfing was the name of the game in the 90s/early 2000s and it was way easier to do that with a bop basically describing the show in English (see: Pirate rap, Sailor Moon, motherfucking Pokémon) and/or getting the show's name ingrained in kids' heads than with J-pop. I'm not a time traveler so I can't perform a study on myself age 10 to see if I would've watched Digimon with its original theme, but I could sure as gently caress tell you what the show was about : Digimon were digital monsters and the champions. Rather helps that the synths and echoing vibe of the Digimon intros do kinda fit with the whole computer world theme. Similar, energetic buttrock fits Beyblade perfectly, you're trying to make plastic spinning tops look badass and tense. And similarly, Ultimate Muscle having a goofy intro to a public domain tune is pretty perfect for ridiculous anime pro wrestling. The English version of the Dragon Ball intro meanwhile has extremely 'dubbed the theme song' vibes complete with some pretty obvious desperate stretches to match the meter, but it's hella catchy anyway.
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Moro was cool until he was Cell, then he was cool again for a teensy bit when he was the planet. It just loving sucked when he was a punchman instead of an old goat wizard. Granolah is cool as hell, and Gas could have been cool. The stuff where his brother sold off his lifespan without telling him, to get him a cheating power up he doesn't even want has potential. The energy weapons are cool as hell. Then he got lame when he stopped using them. If he was going to get ANOTHER power up, it should have just been him getting frustrated at how unfamiliar his stolen moves are and resolving to just go back to his own stuff. Say his last power up was a power down or that this is a power up because he's using the stuff he practiced or because his heart's in it now or something. I guess they could still do that, but I don't want this fight to have ANOTHER phase.
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Feb 10, 2022 10:37
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Moro was at his best when he was primarily a Geomancer.
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He should have stayed Old Giant Wizard Goat and simply grown more satanic and monstrous in appearance until he hit his planet eater form
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Feb 10, 2022 15:48
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Something about how his original final form they had to discard before TobyFox sued
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Something about how his original final form they had to discard before TobyFox sued TobyFox eviscerating Toriyama-sensei in open court is the content we deserve
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Feb 10, 2022 18:38
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he's going to beat him at FighterZ like he did with sakurai and smash
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unstoppable finisher move, "The Pope got his own personal remix of my song played live for him, gently caress you"
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Captain Baal posted:Villain is a strong word but Jiren absolutely skirts the line of anti-hero and villainy to the point where calling him one isn't entirely uncalled for. Counter point both the movies were good so I think you just have bad opinions. Adapt the arcs.
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I rewatched Resurrection F the other day and I think I'd have to say its not a very good movie, Frieza was done far better in Broly and the ToP. Funnily enough, I think that the anime actually made it better on a dramatic storytelling level in various ways, but way, way worse from an animation point of view which kind of kills it.
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Feb 10, 2022 21:50
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it owns that frieza came back and died and then came back again
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Like a true lord and savior
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sans undertale was the original majin buu
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:it owns that frieza came back and died and then came back again It's dumb, but at the same time, we couldn't have gotten Frieza in the TOP without that justification. It's still weird to me that people are like "Why didn't they get Cell for the TOP?" when he's not even remotely as powerful as Frieza at this point.
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bringing back Frieza was insanely good and cool because he has personality out the door, and the genius was to show him corrupted by Goku and then dragged into cosmic attention by the ToP
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frieza has a higher power level because hes easier to draw than cell who does not have a high power level
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I love the way that some ancient offhand comment about Cell's spots being a pain to draw has flowered into a conspiracy about Toriyama deliberately never using him again so he doesn't have to draw said spots, in spite of the fact that he's not the one drawing the comic anymore and certainly not single-handedly animating the TV show.
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Blueberry Pancakes posted:It's dumb, but at the same time, we couldn't have gotten Frieza in the TOP without that justification. No problem, Cell can just lift some weights for twenty minutes, and maybe pound on a punching bag if Yamcha's available, and he'll shoot right up to Goku's power level. But hell, they brought Krillin, Master Roshi, and even Tien, it's not like Cell's too weak to hang out with that gang. I imagine Frieza's just more popular than Cell and that's why he keeps coming back.
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Blueberry Pancakes posted:It's still weird to me that people are like "Why didn't they get Cell for the TOP?" when he's not even remotely as powerful as Frieza at this point. As if that means anything anymore
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TheKingofSprings posted:As if that means anything anymore Yeah. Perfect Cell was stronger than everyone (except Gohan I guess) without ever training and he has the fightmonkey disease, so he'd probably get where he needs to be with as much training as Toriyama/Toyotaro thinks is appropriate. But really, it's all bullshit. Characters are only as strong as the plot needs them to be.
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