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goddamnedtwisto posted:I think it's both symptom and cause, it's a feedback loop that starts in the 90s with Clinton. With the end of the Cold War taking away the main pantomime villain that both sides had to (pretend to) care about, and with the Southern Strategy showing the GOP that the way to success is to keep their base dumb and angry, they pumped up the Lewinsky and Whitewater cases from something that would have been quietly dropped For The Greater Good (e.g. Iran Contra and about half the poo poo that JFK got up to, both far more heinous than an affair and a bit of mild graft) into MOST IMPORTANT THING IN THE WORLD talking points. It's those two things that get remembered the most nowadays but they were doing it with loving *everything* (one of those trial balloon moral panics was of course Waco, where Alex Jones got his start and the previously apolitical - or at least equally distrusting of both parties - conspiracist fringe started to be subsumed into the far-right militia movements. There are a lot of great points in this post. The fall of the Soviet Union and corresponding loss of the Boogeyman that had been used to inspire fear and hatred for decades. I grew up during the cold war and I'm well aware that the possibility of war between the USA and USSR was a very real thing, but what I mean is painting everything they don't like as COMMIE, using this to whip people up into a lather. That Big Bad had to be replaced by something, and the answer was the Deep State. Which we saw the seeds of in the list of people the Clintons supposedly had murdered, in Whitewater and all that. It evolved over time, aided to a huge degree by the growth of the internet, which eventually allowed nonsense and conspiracy theories to spread at light speed. 9/11 really intensified things, and then with Obama's presidency it really kicked into high gear. Now, the Deep State, in league with radical islamist terrorists and lead by the Kenyan socialist Barack Obama, is going to take all our guns and put us into camps. These Deep Staters are literally going to mass-murder us and destroy the entire world. And of course as bad as all this was, it was going to get even worse in the future, with the rise of Donald Trump and the slide of the GOP into an autocratic party hell-bent on seizing power through any means.
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yea Q stuff fucks with Alex's money because it ~disrupted~ his scene, now any moron with IG can be The Q Anon Wine Mom or whatever and get a following and sell lovely books and jewelry and poo poo. He flirted with Q when it was just an internet thing but he's hated it for a while ever since it started spawning a bunch of not as funny clones of him.
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sexpig by night posted:yea Q stuff fucks with Alex's money because it ~disrupted~ his scene, now any moron with IG can be The Q Anon Wine Mom or whatever and get a following and sell lovely books and jewelry and poo poo. He flirted with Q when it was just an internet thing but he's hated it for a while ever since it started spawning a bunch of not as funny clones of him. Tree Dude posted:Alex was still flirting with trying to win over the Q audience I think right up until he got completely destroyed while interviewing Q-Shaman (Knowledge Fight 518 January 11, '21). I just listened to KF 518, and this one is fantastic. Alex completely melts down while talking to (and constantly interrupting) the Q Shaman. It's a must for the recommended episodes list.
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People saying Alex Jones wasn't inspiring others to armed violence 20 years ago should look up Richard McCaslin because it's been 20 years to the dot. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_McCaslin
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fez_machine posted:People saying Alex Jones wasn't inspiring others to armed violence 20 years ago should look up Richard McCaslin because it's been 20 years to the dot. I mean, I'm not really that invested in defending The Phantom Patriot but that wiki article gets the timeline a bit wrong. He was already a big Icke/reptile people fan even before being a Jones fan and...I mean, he was convicted of trying to burn down the grove's big dumb owl statue and waving a gun around, I'm not gonna say that's AWESOME to do but I think that's a fair bit different flavor of crazy person than the Jones crowd is now.
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I EVOKE THE POWER OF THE SATANTIC HAMBURGER TO SUMMON..... THE HUNGRY BURGER!! GO!! HUNGRY HAMBURGER DEMON WITH 2000 ATTACK POINTS!! 
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MrMojok posted:A little bit of Alex goes a long way, so I'm using a couple of reddit threads to selectively pick from peoples' "Best Of" lists. This one was very good, Alex gets so drunk it sounds like he's about to puke at some points. The whole thing is a majorly pathetic sideshow to even the embarrassment that was the actual CPAC.
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God that signed photo of the arrest is criminally undersold as far as the grift goes. That's the Ace of a KQJA presentation. Also gotta love that Dan and Jordan go out of their way to remind their audience that on no account should amy of them buy a Roger's Stone and give him a cent of their money. "Just be glad it exists."
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I loled at that because I had just been discussing that I really want one of those mugs, but I will not give Roger money for one so alas. Roger's my favorite one I think, maybe equal to Steve. Nobody goes for it like those two.
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Listens to the deposition episode and it got me hooked. Starting from the beginning and got the inauguration episode where Jones is just sloshed. I love that their are multiple episodes where he is drunk off his rear end.
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jase1 posted:Listens to the deposition episode and it got me hooked. Starting from the beginning and got the inauguration episode where Jones is just sloshed. I love that their are multiple episodes where he is drunk off his rear end. Today's episode had him visibly high on coke while denying rumors that he is addicted to the stuff.
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Love that we got a bonus deposition question this episode on the topic of reset wars confirming that it's just a thing he put his name/voice on but it isn't really his thing at all. Could have been bundled into the "do you ever knowingly lie to your audience?" line of questioning. "reset wars is the most important thing I've done in my career" I suppose is just hyperbole...
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Somebody please recommend me another episode, a real banger! I’ve gone through all the ones listed in the Reddit thread.
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Grand Fromage posted:I loled at that because I had just been discussing that I really want one of those mugs, but I will not give Roger money for one so alas. How could you forget Leo Zagami he did 9/11
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MrMojok posted:Somebody please recommend me another episode, a real banger! Not sure what's on the Reddit thread but the stuff right after Jan 6th where he's trying to do damage control retconning the poo poo Owen and/or harrison were saying in the moment and right the ship is pretty great. That was my starting point.
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Just binge the Project Camelot stuff, it's all extremely out there and the host is always a huge dick to people, it's great.
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MrMojok posted:Somebody please recommend me another episode, a real banger! The watch-alongs of his films are good (although very long), both for the Jones content and the meta content of them both slowly losing their minds. Poor Dan's neighbours. Episodes 130A-E are Endgame, about The Globalists (where we first hear the little cello hit that is the core of their current theme tune), 230A-E are The Obama Deception. Also core to the Jones-verse is Bill Cooper, the episodes they did on him (381, 414, 434, 447) are must-listens IMO (although they're not the most entertaining, they're among the most important ones).
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MrMojok posted:Somebody please recommend me another episode, a real banger! Dunno what's on the reddit but two good ones are "drunk hotel interview" which contains the funniest 2 seconds of Alex audio, and the Bill Ayers interview in which an octogenarian ex-terrorist uses reasonability to make Alex poo poo himself.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:The watch-alongs of his films are good (although very long), both for the Jones content and the meta content of them both slowly losing their minds. Poor Dan's neighbours. Episodes 130A-E are Endgame, about The Globalists (where we first hear the little cello hit that is the core of their current theme tune), 230A-E are The Obama Deception. I’d also recommend the movie dissections. They allow Dan to really show off his research chops when he has source material that is a clear list of claims he can fact check. It’s a clearer demonstration of Alex’s bullshit and spin without a lot of the wacky off the cuff stuff that’s in a regular episode of Infowars. Also the Leo Zagami 9/11 episode is wild.
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Goddamit, I need to get off my rear end and update the first post. I’ll add links to all the deposition episodes, at least.
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For people just jumping into the podcast it might be a good idea to go back to Jan. 6, 2001 and just start listening from there. I know that's still like a year of episodes but it's a lot fewer than 646 and is a pretty good dividing line for the current Jones era we're in. Its a tough podcast to get your bearings with because it has a lot of "characters" and events that Dan and Jordan will bring up casually but you will meet a lot of them and do okay from context clues. Tree Dude fucked around with this message at 13:07 on Feb 10, 2022 |
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I think somebody posted an episode guide list but I can't find it.
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Episode guide list useful for finding specific episodes. A little hard to use (at least for me) the trick is expanding the box at the top so you can actually see all the information in whatever cell you're looking at. Might be obvious to people with more spreadsheet experience.
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Also, episodes of shows that they guest on (such as QAnon Anonymous, Behind the Bastards, Cognitive Dissonance, Opening Arguments) are good to listen to for recaps of recent-at-the-time-of-recording events as they explain what's happening in the world of Jones to people not quite as in the know as Dan is. Andrew Torrez of OA was also a recent guest on KF (episode 630) when Jordan was on vacation at the end of last year. And if you want to hear Dan and Jordan do stuff not related to Jones, they're occasionally guests on God Awful Movies, a movie podcast focused on making fun of Christian and religious cinema (episodes 293, 305, and 330)
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The CPAC episode us great, but listening to Nick Fuentez talk is a line too far for me
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Tree Dude posted:Episode guide list useful for finding specific episodes. Thanks. I'd found this but like you I can't expand the fields to show all the text
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Shinji2015 posted:And if you want to hear Dan and Jordan do stuff not related to Jones, they're occasionally guests on God Awful Movies, a movie podcast focused on making fun of Christian and religious cinema (episodes 293, 305, and 330) They are some of my favorite GAM guests. The scathing guys sometimes seem a bit too much like they're reading from a script for an entire show (drink every time they say "I wrote in my notes...“) but JorDan brings a lot to each episode and forces them to be a little more casual and in the moment.
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MrMojok posted:A little bit of Alex goes a long way, so I'm using a couple of reddit threads to selectively pick from peoples' "Best Of" lists. #609. What a bonkers ep. I want Its A Demon Feast as my cell ring E: I really enjoyed that ep where that old conspiracist was talking about a black van following him and Jones just gave up
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Antigravitas posted:I need to find that episode again where he plays Rammstein – Amerika in the background. It really drives home that it is all aesthetic, no substance. I love when Jones was just spoken wording thru You Belong To The City You do belong to the city, the Clinton Gates city
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Tree Dude posted:They are some of my favorite GAM guests. The scathing guys sometimes seem a bit too much like they're reading from a script for an entire show (drink every time they say "I wrote in my notes...“) but JorDan brings a lot to each episode and forces them to be a little more casual and in the moment. Oh for sure. The Scathing Atheist and GAM were some of the first podcasts I listened to regularly for years, but like a couple of years ago I got tired of their schtick and stopped listening to everything they do regularly except the Skepticrat (which I turn off in a heartbeat whenever Heath throws out his "you should have voted for Hillary" line) and Citation Needed (which I still listen to regularly because of the CogDis guys). The JorDan episodes did bring me back to GAM as an occasional listener, though. I'm just very picky about the movie/guest now
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BiggerBoat posted:Thanks. I'd found this but like you I can't expand the fields to show all the text  you can make that box at the top bigger by interacting with the line I have dotted and whatever you have clicked on in the document will appear there. Tree Dude fucked around with this message at 15:55 on Feb 10, 2022 |
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Firstscion posted:How could you forget Leo Zagami he did 9/11 I haven't listened far enough back to have heard much of Leo.
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The "Alex goes on Rogan" episodes (9, 270, 497, etc.) are excellent as Dan and Jordan dissect Rogan's abortive attempts to argue with Alex. Dan, in true Friesen fashion, frequently goes out of his way to highlight those few moments where Rogan will use a decent argument. It makes Rogan's failure all the more damning when taken as a whole, and helps Friesen highlight those (very few) stratagems that stand a chance against Jones' frequent gish-galloping.
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GAM is one of my favourite podcasts, Eli Bosnik has a direct psychic link to my funny bone. They did a great live show on the Alex Jones produced (and starring) “Amerigeddon”, a movie so bad you can’t even buy it off InfoWars apparently.
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Big news today: collapse of the Soviet Union was a false flag! *insert Simpsons gif*
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