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It's not really much of a mystery. He sits down 3x a week and knocks something out as fast as possible without having thought about it beforehand, like a kid who realized he forgot to do a book report the morning before it's due. This is the webcomic version of "cheating" in MS Word to hit the page count requirement by upping the size of the margins, font size, and paragraph breaks.
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this comic peaked with the terrible porn
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Feb 9, 2022 19:43
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rudecyrus posted:this comic peaked with the terrible porn and now, having satisfied itself and no one else, it’s snoring and drooling on the pillow a bit
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Feb 9, 2022 20:09
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SatansOnion posted:and now, having satisfied itself and no one else, it’s snoring and drooling on the pillow a bit Seriously. Every time I think I've seen the nadir with Mookie's garbage he slithers into a new low. As bad as classic DD got it was never this goddamn boring because at least there was Z-tier stupid dialogue. Beelzebufo, please come rescue us from this trash with some classic DD commentary (if you've got the spare time & energy for it because no one should ever waste time on Dominic Deegan if they don't have time to waste)
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Rotten Red Rod posted:It's not really much of a mystery. He sits down 3x a week and knocks something out as fast as possible without having thought about it beforehand, like a kid who realized he forgot to do a book report the morning before it's due. This is the webcomic version of "cheating" in MS Word to hit the page count requirement by upping the size of the margins, font size, and paragraph breaks. Mere lack of effort can't explain Legacy. There are plenty of e.g. newspaper daily strips that are clearly just phoning it in and they have better constructed narratives than Legacy. And it's not mere lack of skill or lack of talent either, because Mookie has demonstrated, on increasingly rare occasions, the ability to do better. It's like if you take a test and it's true or false questions then even if you're just guessing you're going to get on average about half of them right just by random chance. So if you see someone turn in an exam that gets literally every single question wrong it's at best wild statistical anomaly. It's worse than can be explained by mere failure to understand the material, it can't be mere laziness and it goes beyond simple bad luck. The astonishing thing about Legacy is not that it's lazy or just bad, it's how resolutely it manages to gently caress up literally every possible thing you can gently caress up about a long-form narrative. It manages to surprise you by coming up with strange and novel ways to gently caress things up that you might have never even thought of if you didn't witness Mookie loving them up. It's like the narrative equivalent of watching Twitch Plays Pokémon. When even the simplest of possible things is actually completed, something that you might do yourself dozens of times without even thinking twice about it, it feels like a major accomplishment. You tune in not to enjoy watching things happen, but to be entertained by the absoluteness with which nothing is happening.
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SubG posted:It's a story involving magic, books, magic books, and a search, involving books, for a secret about the most famous magic guy there ever was...and there's a character whose specialty is magic involving ink...and she does...absolutely nothing. it's amazing, the story has a character who is seems to exist purely as a mechanic to trivialize the conflict, yet doesn't, and it is for lack of trying. Mookie's writing is this video as a comic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evthRoKoE1o
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Feb 9, 2022 23:27
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Like I used to read bad fanfiction as a hobby, and even in THOSE, there would still be an attempt at telling stories. Even in the most meandering pieces of garbage, where the story would derail every time the author played a new videogame and everything would shift to make room for, say, oh I just played metro202x it's time for the characters to suddenly explore a ghost-filled underground despite it making no sense--even in THAT there would still be SOMEthing. It isn't indulgent enough to be porn. It isn't experimental enough to be him trying out new things. He draws things OTHER than this--if this was ALL he drew and it varied wildly as his attention bounced around that'd be one thing, but he draws porn in his spare time. Why did this suddenly turn into porn with no context or explanation other than a post-gently caress retcon of "haha i turn into a satyr and gently caress girls constantly actually." Why are half the pages recaps? Why does he keep insisting there's a plot and circles it? Like. There's two plot points he has but he feels like it's too early to get to them so he has to... stall? By just circling over and over again? I've never even SEEN this before. I can't understand this. Other things have this beat in "worst thing Ive experienced" because ultimately you could binge this in an hour and I've read million-word long fanfictions out of some desperate self-harm need but length aside this is legitimately one of the worst stories I've ever experienced in my entire life and it's baffling. I so want to touch the poop because the absolute impossibility of accidentally CREATING this is mindblowing. How do you do this bad and NOT do it on purpose??
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Feb 10, 2022 01:10
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Ron Paul Atreides posted:Sometimes I really want to touch the poop and ask Mookie to explain his thought processes, and if he ever regrets his choices Someone mentioned that Mookie still defends Stonewater the Sexy Rapist as a good character and good story arc, and that's one of the worst things he's ever done, so if he doesn't regret that I can only assume he doesn't regret any of his choices.
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FlocksOfMice posted:Like I used to read bad fanfiction as a hobby, and even in THOSE, there would still be an attempt at telling stories. Even in the most meandering pieces of garbage, where the story would derail every time the author played a new videogame and everything would shift to make room for, say, oh I just played metro202x it's time for the characters to suddenly explore a ghost-filled underground despite it making no sense--even in THAT there would still be SOMEthing. What we are seeing is someone's notes for a story, except they are being published as the story's final version. Mookie is committed to never planning a drat thing and just plowing away at a regular pace regardless of if he has any ideas. He's still in the brainstorming stage, essentially, playing with concepts like "power of symbols?" and "magic changes" and "sometimes, hard dicking". Despite writing and drawing in this improvisational style for however many goddamn years, Mookie has yet to actually learn how to tell a story extemporaneously. He cannot improvise. But he must produce. And this is the result.
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The "no dialogue"  rule seems to be hampering him here too. When people were talking about what they were doing/planned to do in og Deegan, he was stuck with that. (Unless he did an asspull retcon or something, but even that is dealing with established facts.) Here nobody explains what they're doing until the recap pages so he can just. Meander.I mean, some of the meandering is intentional, he's trying to do Cool Landscapes and "the boredom is the point", etc, but like, clearly the ship was somebody else's and hostile at first, and if the Ink Witch had said "Help! They're after me!" or something he'd probably have stuck with that. Oh well! Ż\_(ツ)_/Ż
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I saw this tweet and I feel like it unintentionally says so much about Mookie and this comic https://twitter.com/mookiebean/status/1491782841780387843?t=dPurB89--XVLRPCs6wFDSw&s=19
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i don't see how mookie wishing for a version of frankenstein with no conflict has anything to do with oh
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Douche Wolf 89 posted:i don't see how mookie wishing for a version of frankenstein with no conflict has anything to do with oh Not just no conflict, but also devoid of point or deeper thought
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Coincidentally, the monster in that movie rapes a woman, and it's portrayed as a good (and funny) thing. So it's right up Mookie's alley!
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FlocksOfMice posted:I so want to touch the poop because the absolute impossibility of accidentally CREATING this is mindblowing. How do you do this bad and NOT do it on purpose?? I know I'd love to hear Mookie explain his seemingly pathological opposition to protagonists accomplishing anything.
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Feb 10, 2022 19:29
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In his convention panel about writing characters, he never once says that a protagonist should have a goal they're trying to reach. The only time he mentions it is when he makes up an imaginary jock character who has a single-minded focus on training for the big fight, and notes this as a storytelling weakness. He seems to have an aversion to protagonists having any individual motivation whatsoever, and gets frustrated with an imaginary Han Solo type character who "has to be dragged kicking and screaming into the obvious flow of the rest of the story", because they don't want to get involved with the plot until it affects them personally. Villains on the other hand, are allowed to have motivations. He specifically cites comic book villains like Ra's Al Ghul or Ozymandias who have noble motivations (like creating world peace), but horrific methods (like nuking Manhattan with a psychic squid). In the types of media Mookie likes, heroes are purely reactive - they have something to stop but not something to do. So because villains create scenarios for heroes to react to, and a real hero would never fight against the flow of the story by having their own motivations, the story of Legacy can never move forward until someone evil does something that Snout has to react to.
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Honestly, demonizing ambition as purely for villains isn’t super rare in Western media.
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Mookie has finally perfected the non-action hero that Hal predicts in Infinite Jestquote:And, as we have observed thus far in our class, we, as a North America audience, have favored the more Stoic, corporate hero of reactive probity ever since, some might be led to argue 'trapped’ in the reactive moral ambiguity of 'post-’ and 'post-post’-modern culture.
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Mors Rattus posted:Honestly, demonizing ambition as purely for villains isn’t super rare in Western media. Honestly, yeah, that was the first thing I thought of. I want to say that it was one of the pop culture threads that brought up an article about it, but it's a lot more difficult to give heroes motivations for things to change outside of reacting to a dastardly deed because there's such a strong onus to not make them too revolutionary. At the end of the day, it must be that the system is good, and the heroes are merely opposing those who would behave badly within it or seek to subvert it. Breaking that mold, and giving heroes motivation to act because of something they know to be true, is kind of an emancipatory act on the part of a writer. Of course, all of this can be disregarded if you're talking about an alien/historical setting, which Legacy may fall into? I have no idea, I'm not a writer, just some dude rambling online. Maybe I should make a webcomic.
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Zereth posted:The "no dialogue" I wrote a little about that and deleted it because I couldn't come to a conclusion, but yes, the inability to have characters communicate in an efficient manner is killing this too. Every scene where there are three or more characters becomes this instant mess of confusion. It's almost like actual hearing/speech impaired people created things like sign language (which, again, we can't even pin a date on since it goes that far back in human history) so they could also communicate efficiently and participate in communication!
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Maxwell Lord posted:I wrote a little about that and deleted it because I couldn't come to a conclusion, but yes, the inability to have characters communicate in an efficient manner is killing this too. Every scene where there are three or more characters becomes this instant mess of confusion. It's happened repeatedly! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicaraguan_Sign_Language https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Sayyid_Bedouin_Sign_Language A story about Snout and Kayanda developing their own ad-hoc communication system would have been more interesting than anything we actually got. Instead he just teaches her to write the alphabet, ???, she's fully literate! I don't think sign language has ever been acknowledged or mentioned, everyone just passes notes using their apparently infinite supply of ink and paper.
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ScienceSeagull posted:It's happened repeatedly!
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Zereth posted:You missed a step. I believe it was "teaches her alphabet, flower guy makes her vomit an evil flower, ???, fully literate and everything's fine now."  ...which is a profoundly nonsensical way to teach someone language, but I really think we're supposed to believe that's what's happening. That is, I don't think Legacy's position is that Snout is wasting everyone's time teaching an illiterate person how to labouriously reproduce a few scribbles without any comprehension of what they mean. I think Legacy is claiming that Snout, miraculously, is teaching what's-her-name to read and write. She apparently lacks the capacity for spoken language, although that's mostly implied: she can't answer when Ink Witch asks her name, and later:  This apparently means they can't understand her ever, not just when she's screaming at night, because later the mean orc guy says that she can be understood like it's a revelation, implying that they hadn't been able to understand her before:   This was the last major plot development. The second comic above is from 7 May 2021.
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i keep forgetting how bad mookie handled the entirety of kaianda
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Robot Style posted:In his convention panel about writing characters, he never once says that a protagonist should have a goal they're trying to reach. The only time he mentions it is when he makes up an imaginary jock character who has a single-minded focus on training for the big fight, and notes this as a storytelling weakness. He seems to have an aversion to protagonists having any individual motivation whatsoever, and gets frustrated with an imaginary Han Solo type character who "has to be dragged kicking and screaming into the obvious flow of the rest of the story", because they don't want to get involved with the plot until it affects them personally. When you phrase it as "has to be dragged kicking and screaming into the obvious flow of the rest of the story", maybe this has to do with his D&D roots? A new character joins the group, but instead of just going "I see you party lacks a mage, can I join you?" and getting on with the plot, they have to do all this talking and role-playing and doing his character quest and whatever and that's boring and takes attention away from the real character. Why not just let Dominic see that he's a good guy and should join the party, and convince him by having a vision? (I've had a DM who completely flipped his poo poo when we wanted to spend the rest of the evening getting to know our new party member instead of heading for the next plot point with a dwarf randomly added to our numbers. Said plot point was in no way time dependant at all.)
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SubG posted:This was the last major plot development. The second comic above is from 7 May 2021. quote:7 May 2021  I refuse to believe you
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HEY GUYS DID I EVER TELL YOU HOW GOOD IT IS TO EAT VEGETARIAN FOOD I MEAN NUMMY NOM NOMS?!?!?
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I know that nori exists but "tastes like seaweed" doesn't really sound like a selling point to put on the side of your box. e: Yeah this just seems like a really shoehorned and ridiculous way to say "VEGAN FOOD GOOD" because they don't sell mushrooms with "TASTES LIKE MUSHROOMS" printed on it. Though I suppose you could raise questions about competitors' brands if you did that. I wonder why Brand X won't say their mushrooms taste like mushrooms, maybe I shouldn't get that brand. e2: Snout looks like he's vomiting into the box in that last panel. Twelve by Pies fucked around with this message at 06:34 on Feb 11, 2022 |
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I hate that [DEAF] tag so much.
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PoptartsNinja posted:I hate that [DEAF] tag so much. [DEAF] Dominic Deegan: Wild Edging
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Oh boy, the gross mutant likes seaweed. What an incredible development. Wait, I thought this was a lake? Not an ocean?
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corpsemom has existed for a week and is already socially aware enough to be upset by snout's behaviour snout is.... a really problematic portrayal of disability. i know it's meant to be comedy but this keeps happening
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gonna glomp that seaveed like he's at animecon
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Twelve by Pies posted:I know that nori exists but "tastes like seaweed" doesn't really sound like a selling point to put on the side of your box. It's such an arbitrary text choice it makes me wonder if it's actually seaweed. What if the orcs are murdering plant men and flavoring them with seaweed as a snack? That could actually be interesting.
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Twelve by Pies posted:I know that nori exists but "tastes like seaweed" doesn't really sound like a selling point to put on the side of your box. Yeah, but Snout loves bog stank. 
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super sweet best pal posted:It's such an arbitrary text choice it makes me wonder if it's actually seaweed. What if the orcs are murdering plant men and flavoring them with seaweed as a snack? That could actually be interesting. Y'know, I wonder what Sunflower feels about plant people being hunted for food just two centuries ago, and if they felt uncomfortable being in the same room as Eugenicist Orc, or any orcs in general considering one of their modern-day factions has openly declared they want to genocide Sunflower's race. Too bad all these characters existed solely to make Snout feel good/bad and stopped existing once their roles were done!
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Someday this page will be printed and sold in a book alongside surplus copies of Star Power at a con. Just marvel at that fact.
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Nothing's happened for several months, perfect time to take a little break. It's like some alternate universe Thousand Nights and a Night where Scheherazade will lose her head if she can't bore the King to tears every night. ...and Legacy has only been going on 955 days so far.
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super sweet best pal posted:[DEAF] Dominic Deegan: Wild Edging Dominic Deafgan
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