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Potato Salad posted:Is the idea that the virus will go away if people stop looking for it? Why do this? Well part of it was that ~18% of their healthcare workers were with COVID out at the same time, so they desperately needed to change the isolation protocol (if you click the link you will see the changes to the isolation protocol directly beneath). But also that the ZA tourist industry got waylaid again and they needed other countries to stop banning flights.
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Potato Salad posted:Is the idea that the virus will go away if people stop looking for it? Why do this? Contact tracing isn't very useful if most cases aren't being identified. edit: also the original post about South Africa being at its highest death rates appears to be wrong, the peak was in late December. James Garfield fucked around with this message at 02:28 on Feb 10, 2022 |
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mobby_6kl posted:Does it really take people 2 months to die? Or is it more likely there are undetected cases? Yes, we had one guy that stuck out for 3 months, covid may not be explicitly what killed someone at that point, but the overall cause of death is covid complications due to lungs becoming swiss cheese and not being able to come off a vent. Got more then a few of them still tbh
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Rust Martialis posted:Denmark - 10 February 2022 Probably most people deciding to get tested on Monday morning after a weekend of whatever the Danish Denny's equivalent is. But yeah, I'm watching you with dismay as all the big blue state governors here are deciding to rescind a lot of mandates and we're nowhere near as vaccinated as you all.
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Oracle posted:Probably most people deciding to get tested on Monday morning after a weekend of whatever the Danish Denny's equivalent is. But yeah, I'm watching you with dismay as all the big blue state governors here are deciding to rescind a lot of mandates and we're nowhere near as vaccinated as you all. It's so breathtakingly stupid. I blame all the assholes screaming about how "mild" Omicron is.
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What's driving the blue state mandate repeal push anyways? Is there some centralized force here? Why blue states? I assume it's because red states don't have mandates in place to begin with. Our city's mask mandate policy is that it won't be removed until we're in CDC yellow for three weeks. City officials just reiterated that. However, since enforcement doesn't exist I'd say it's no more than 50% masking out there, but of those it probably is 25% "serious masking" (N95s). Edit: Referring to the states with mandates as "blue states" is annoying because it's still casually politicizing NPIs. Just say "states with mandates currently in effect" or something like that. ExcessBLarg! fucked around with this message at 17:49 on Feb 11, 2022 |
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ExcessBLarg! posted:What's driving the blue state mandate repeal push anyways? Is there some centralized force here? It's called Capitalism, and once you contract it, it's often fatal.
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Not sure how similar polling is in the states, but the second that dropping all restrictions got to > 50% approval here in Canada every premier is rushing to drop mandates as fast as they possibly can. to paraphrase a dril tweet: quote:turning a big dial taht says "COVID deaths" on it and constantly looking back at the audience for approval like a contestant on the price is right
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Denmark - 11 February 2022 More cases, more deaths, net drop in ICU and vents again. I really suspect the last longer-term Delta patients are dying in ICU and we're approaching a Omicron steady-state. I wonder if we can see how many have died IN ICU vs IN HOSPITAL.... Table 1. Actual and Reported Denmark COVID Cases reported per day pre:Actual Reported New Total Date Cases Cases Reinf. Hosp. Hosp. ICU Vent Dead ============================================================================================== Feb 11 --- 48,170 2,968 421 1,379 32 (-1) 9 (+1) 24 Feb 10 20,110 53,747 3,205 415 1,354 33 (-1) 12 (+1) 29 Feb 09 50,214 55,120 3,262 451 1,332 34 (-5) 11 (-4) 21 Feb 08 55,568 49,798 2,759 419 1,315 39 (+8) 15 (+3) 18 Feb 07 57,348 34,849 1,836 314 1,294 31 (-3) 12 (+0) 28 Feb 06 42,234 36,512 1,841 307 1,203 34 (+3) 12 (+0) 18 Feb 05 33,604 39,190 2,061 370 1,138 31 (-2) 12 (-1) 35 Feb 04 37,192 40.179 2,241 376 1,156 33 (+6) 13 (+1) 17 Feb 03 39,792 44,225 2,513 365 1,116 27 (+1) 12 (-4) 21 Feb 02 40,476 55,001 2,992 343 1,092 26 (-2) 16 (+2) 20 Feb 01 46,118 45,366 2,515 337 1,070 28 (-4) 14 (-1) 15 Jan 31 56,397 29,084 1,478 255 1,028 32 (+1) 15 (+0) 17 Jan 30 34,881 36,196 2,055 231 948 31 (-4) 15 (-4) 21 Jan 29 29,907 41,083 2,332 271 922 35 (+2) 19 (+0) 17 Jan 28 38,122 53,655 3,263 305 967 33 (-4) 19 (-3) 26 Jan 27 39,067 51,033 3,119 318 955 37 (-3) 22 (-3) 18 Jan 26 41,695 46,747 3,028 298 938 40 (-4) 25 (-3) 14 Jan 25 48,640 43,734 2,856 318 918 44 (+1) 28 (-1) 14 Jan 24 53,663 40,348 2,501 242 894 43 (+1) 29 (+2) 13 Jan 23 38,017 42,018 2,755 215 813 42 (-3) 27 (-1) 12 Jan 22 34,713 36,120 2,285 220 781 45 (+1) 28 (-1) 25 Jan 21 37,409 46,831 3,160 244 813 44 (-5) 29 (+1) 21 Jan 20 37,420 40,626 2,639 232 825 49 (-1) 28 (-2) 15 Jan 19 37,595 38,759 2,285 248 821 50 (+1) 30 (+1) 16 Jan 18 40,303 33,493 2,002 264 810 49 (-3) 29 (-8) 14 Jan 17 41,486 28,780 1,815 203 802 52 (-7) 37 (-4) 11 Jan 16 28,179 26,169 1,614 159 734 59 (+0) 41 (+1) 16 Jan 15 25,188 25,034 1,644 202 711 59 (-1) 40 (+4) 16 Jan 14 25,883 23,614 1,519 215 757 60 (-4) 36 (-2) 15 Jan 13 23,776 25,751 1,822 194 755 64 (-9) 38 (-8) 20 Jan 12 22,575 24,343 1,614 215 751 73 (+0) 46 (+0) 25 Jan 11 22,656 22,936 1,459 181 754 73 (-1) 46 (-1) 14 Jan 10 23,244 14,414 941 156 777 74 (-3) 47 (-3) 9 Jan 09 16,330 19,248 1,327 126 723 77 (-1) 50 (-2) 14 Jan 08 13,573 12,588 984 161 730 78 (+0) 52 (-1) 28 Jan 07 14,434 18,261 1,482 186 755 78 (-4) 53 (+4) 10 Jan 06 15,417 25,995 2,027 161 756 82 (+2) 47 (-2) 11 Jan 05 17,577 28,283 2,083 204 784 80 (+3) 49 (+2) 15 Jan 04 23,698 23,372 1,701 229 792 77 (+4) 47 (+1) 15 Jan 03* 25,617 8,801 532 169 770 73 (-3) 46 (-4) 5 Jan 02 19,906 7,550 404 163 709 76 (+3) 50 (+1) 15 Jan 01 8,631 20,885 1,049 139 647 73 (+0) 49 (+0) 5 Dec 31 9,728 17,605 1,090 177 641 73 (-2) 49 (-1) 11 Dec 30 19,927 21,403 1,123 178 665 75 (-2) 50 (-2) 9 Dec 29 17,245 23,228 1,205 173 675 77 (+6) 52 (+2) 16 Dec 28 21,955 13,000 670 177 666 71 (+1) 50 (+4) 14 Dec 27 22,616 16,164 639 115 608 70 (-1) 46 (-2) 7 Dec 26 10,965 14,844 644 123 579 71 (-2) 43 (+1) 13 Dec 25 7,853 10,027 463 86 522 73 (-1) 44 (+5) 10 Dec 24 7,054 11,229 527 134 509 74 (+2) 39 (+1) 14 Dec 23 12,605 12,487 613 158 541 72 (+6) 38 (+1) 15 Dec 22 11,591 13,386 531 126 524 66 (-1) 37 (+2) 14 Dec 21 13,011 13,558 501 121 526 67 (+1) 35 (+2) 17 Dec 20 13,288 10,082 --- 85 581 66 (+3) 33 (-2) 8 Dec 19 10,231 8,212 Dec 18 10,049 8,594 Dec 17 10.614 11,194 Dec 16 10,171 9,999 Dec 15 10,775 8,773 --- 96 508 66 (+0) 43 (-3) 9 Dec 13 10,294 7,799 --- 61 480 64 (-1) 42 (+0) 9 Dec 12 6,986 5,989 --- 82 468 65 (+5) 42 (+6) 9 Dec 08 6,560 6,629 --- 72 461 66 (-1) 38 (-1) 7 Dec 01 4,464 5,120 --- 88 439 35 (+1) 35 (+1) 14 Table 2: ICU Bed Usage, Weekly (reported every 2 weeks) pre:Date Bed Availability ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 31 January 313 ICU beds, 27 COVID, 75 available 24 January 322 ICU beds, 38 COVID, 72 available 17 January 328 ICU beds, 54 COVID, 66 available 10 January 331 ICU beds, 72 COVID, 29 available 03 January 331 ICU beds, 76 COVID, 32 available 27 December 316 ICU beds, 71 COVID, 62 available 20 December 317 ICU beds, 60 COVID, 59 available 13 December 319 ICU beds, 64 COVID, 39 available 06 December 310 ICU beds, 67 COVID, 10 available <-- squeaky bum time here 29 November 318 ICU beds, 61 COVID, 25 available https://www.rkkp.dk/kvalitetsdatabaser/databaser/dansk-intensiv-database/resultater/ https://covid19.ssi.dk/overvagningsdata/download-fil-med-overvaagningdata https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/242ec2acc014456295189631586f1d26 https://covid19.ssi.dk/virusvarianter/delta-pcr
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PostNouveau posted:It's called Capitalism, and once you contract it, it's often fatal. What does capitalism have to do with masks? lol. Capital is anti-shutdown/movement restrictions. Masks are just another thing you can sell. It's a reflection of public preference. Yes, maybe a majority of people would prefer to keep the mandates - but that isn't going to get Lamont or Hochul or Wolf or any other Democrats votes. The blue state govs are removing the mask mandates because (almost) nobody is going to vote for you for keeping a mask mandate, but a hell of a lot of people will vote against you because of one. For somebody who supports mask mandates and also, for whatever reason, doesn't care if Democrats win elections, this is probably doubly frustrating.
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ExcessBLarg! posted:What's driving the blue state mandate repeal push anyways? Is there some centralized force here? The Daily just did a pretty good podcast episode about this. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/10/podcasts/the-daily/new-york-mask-mandates.html
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sweek0 posted:The Daily just did a pretty good podcast episode about this. Thank you for this. Covid fatigue and schools leading to large-scale resentment explains a lot about what's going on politically right now. I hope you don't mind me cross-posting this to the US CE thread. My own reaction to this is basically people are sick enough of restrictions that they've talked themselves into believing that it's going to be okay to just open up. This is as good as it gets because ultimately we are just not rational and selfless enough to put up with more than what we have already put up with. We're going to keep having people than necessary die because and it's utterly depressing. Eric Cantonese fucked around with this message at 20:09 on Feb 11, 2022 |
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Hey FDA thanks for the week or so of false hope that my kids will ever loving be eligible for vaccines. https://twitter.com/megtirrell/status/1492207749614252033
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brugroffil posted:Hey FDA thanks for the week or so of false hope that my kids will ever loving be eligible for vaccines. To be fair, it would a shitshow if the data showed that even three doses at that dosage level didn't do anything. Trust in the FDA with respect to the pandemic is already too low as it is.
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brugroffil posted:Hey FDA thanks for the week or so of false hope that my kids will ever loving be eligible for vaccines. Why exactly are you blaming the FDA for exercising caution about surprise findings in pediatric trials for vaccines intended for use during a global pandemic and previously approved under EUAs?
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Mellow Seas posted:What does capitalism have to do with masks? lol. Capital is anti-shutdown/movement restrictions. Masks are just another thing you can sell. Masks are a visible sign that things are Not Normal, so they're the symbol people can focus their hate on.
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Discendo Vox posted:Why exactly are you blaming the FDA for exercising caution about surprise findings in pediatric trials for vaccines intended for use during a global pandemic and previously approved under EUAs? Has there been any new data made public on a three dose regimen?
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Eric Cantonese posted:Thank you for this. Of course, go ahead. I think it's a combination of what you've just outlined as well as the fact that many people feel like they've done the right thing, they got vaccinated and did restrict their own activities for so long, their own COVID risk as a vaccinated person is very small and the vaccinated resent the unvaccinated anyway.
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Eric Cantonese posted:Has there been any new data made public on a three dose regimen? The statement from the FDA above talks about it- the data itself isn't public to my knowledge.
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Discendo Vox posted:Why exactly are you blaming the FDA for exercising caution about surprise findings in pediatric trials for vaccines intended for use during a global pandemic and previously approved under EUAs? Because they just publicly asked Pfizer to submit two dose data and talked up approval by the end of the month. e: they've also been sitting on the covaxin pediatric vaccine submittal for months brugroffil fucked around with this message at 20:38 on Feb 11, 2022 |
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brugroffil posted:Because they just publicly asked Pfizer to submit two dose data and talked up approval by the end of the month. Can you identify a place where the FDA "talked up approval" by the end of the month? Why do you think the FDA is just "sitting on" a vaccine submission?
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Discendo Vox posted:Can you identify a place where the FDA "talked up approval" by the end of the month? There was an announcement about hopefully having it approved by the end of Feb. I was in this thread and I was super excited.
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My experience with the FDA is more on the medical device side but often when they're "sitting on things" it's because there's key issues with the submission that manufacturers need to resolve and instead of the FDA outright rejecting them and telling them to submit again they're giving the manufacturer an opportunity to resolve them. Something similar could be going on with the two dose under five data. Pfizer suddenly being "Wait we have additional data!" could be "Wait I know you said in that last communication you had serious problems with our trial results and what we submitted doesn't seem up to par or doesn't show sufficient efficacy but this additional data might help!" It's also possible the initial Pfizer trial data, given when it started, didn't have enough data on protection against Omicron specifically and Pfizer is not scrambling to get that data included. Mr Luxury Yacht fucked around with this message at 20:52 on Feb 11, 2022 |
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Discendo Vox posted:Can you identify a place where the FDA "talked up approval" by the end of the month? 1. Do your own homework. 2. It was submitted for EUA in November. They have yet to schedule a review board meeting or really even acknowledge its existence. When FDA or CDC officials talk about potential pediatric vaccines, this one goes unmentioned. Compare and contrast with the timelines on EUA submission to review for the other vaccines.
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Here's a pretty fundamental rule of thumb: vaccine approvals are so loving sensitive that there are almost never leaks out of FDA about them, and the agency isn't going to "pre-announce" an approval. Media coverage of expected approval outcomes is almost always going to be from the manufacturer.CommieGIR posted:There was an announcement about hopefully having it approved by the end of Feb. I was in this thread and I was super excited. That'd be this, and that would be Pfizer, quoted as "multiple people familiar with the discussions". Pfizer tried to rush the approval and went to the press with it to put pressure on FDA. brugroffil posted:1. Do your own homework. You're the person making the claim. I should not have to dig up and demonstrate your own failure to cite sources for your ill-founded rage. The Covaxin submission has been discussed before. Discendo Vox posted:By the way, in the same 5 minutes, I found out the application was "put on hold" (this often means FDA is giving the company the opportunity to withdraw and try a different approach) because of deficiencies in their master file. It appears their clinical evidence was based on a single arm trial entirely conducted in India. I also found out they had previously applied for an adult EUA for the same product and were rejected earlier in 2021. Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 20:53 on Feb 11, 2022 |
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brugroffil posted:1. Do your own homework. Been said but it's probably because the manufacturer didn't provide all the data needed and instead of outright rejecting it, they've asked for more info. edit: oh post above me found it They aren't just 'sitting on' covid vaccine approvals for the sake of it, there are all these protocols in place for a reason
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The key overarching question here is, what motivation would the FDA have to just...not approve vaccines? Why do you think they would do that? Virtually every source of political and industrial pressure here is deregulatory, to the point that the EUA process has already blown a great big hole in the normal approvals model.
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Sorry it was the CDC that just this week updated their plans to begin shipping pediatric shots by February 21st. https://www.marketwatch.com/story/c...oms-11644507746 It was the FDA who pressed Pfizer to submit two dose data for review https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/01/us/politics/pfizer-vaccine-kids.html quote:In a highly unusual move, federal regulators pressed the companies to submit the request even though two doses failed to produce the hoped-for immune response among children 2 to 4 years old in a clinical trial. Only children between 6 months and 2 years old demonstrated an immune response comparable to that of older teenagers and young adults, the standard for a successful trial. Thanks to both the CDC and the FDA for the false hope.
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Yeah the FDA often has response guidelines (ex: after submission of a 510(k) application the submitter will receive a notification of an Acceptance Review within 15 days. If it is selected for substantive review that review should occur within 60 calendar days, etc...). They generally don't "sit on things". The one exception to this I've seen was during 2020 when poo poo was haywire due to COVID but that seemed more everything not COVID related getting pushed down the queue due to the laser focus on COVID.
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brugroffil posted:Sorry it was the CDC that just this week updated their plans to begin shipping pediatric shots by February 21st. Still misrepresenting things in order to blame regulators, great. CDC prepping for the possibility of an approval is not the same as "talking up approval". The very article you're citing is actually citing the new york times article that I had already addressed, which is citing to Pfizer. And the root claim is actually that FDA would get the two-dose data and use it as part of the three dose data to evaluate the three dose data faster. You are blaming the agency for trying to get the vaccine approved faster.
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Updated CDC and UKHSA data shows 3-dose vaccine efficacy against hospitalization starting to fall at the 4 month mark.  Not terribly surprising given the same trend occurred with the previous dose, but it does raise a serious question of what we are going to do in a few months when the booster wears off and the whole world has decided to open back up... NoDamage fucked around with this message at 22:20 on Feb 11, 2022 |
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brugroffil posted:Sorry it was the CDC that just this week updated their plans to begin shipping pediatric shots by February 21st. Your posts here constantly poo poo on regulatory agencies who are literally doing everything in their power to get vaccines approved. If the data isn't there to support approval, what in the hell do you want them to do? Taking into account all the debunking of your previous arguments, if you were head of the FDA, what specifically would you be doing differently?
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Eric Cantonese posted:Has there been any new data made public on a three dose regimen? Source: My kids are enrolled in the Pfizer trial. ExcessBLarg! fucked around with this message at 02:00 on Feb 12, 2022 |
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