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xgalaxy
Jan 27, 2004
i write code
Apple about to raise prices:

https://www.macrumors.com/2022/02/11/apple-ssd-supplier-hit-with-contamination-disaster/

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smax
Nov 9, 2009

Binary Badger posted:

It's not a big deal, the bottom cases on the M1 Airs are contoured to fit the heatspreaders on the logic board, and the 7-core GPU heat spreader is smaller than the 8-core for obvs reasons

Is it that obvious if the 7 core has the exact same die as the 8 core? The 7 cores are just binned M1 chips with a core disabled. Physically they’re the same.

Comatoast
Aug 1, 2003

by Fluffdaddy
That is a bunch of bologna. I run a one-man manufacturing business and when I screw up I have to eat the cost. I don't forward the mistake on to the customer.

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!
Idk if anybody here listens to/watches Moore’s Law is Dead, but the last episode’s guest is a former tech journalist-turned-manufacturing expert/consultant/whatever (I honestly forget the details) who lives and works in Taiwan.

It’s kind of amazing how simultaneously ironclad and incredibly precarious that whole situation is, and not even because of stuff like China or geopolitics.

Like all it takes is one historically bad typhoon or seismic event to hit say—the TSMC foundries and companies like Apple would be completely turbofucked. Apple’s entire silicon operation relies on TSMC cranking for them more or less nonstop, and nobody else currently has the ability to match TSMC on process size or production capacity. For all that Intel says that they’d love to manufacture Apple’s chips for them, Intel simply doesn’t have the ability or capability right now.

It’s not like Apple’s sitting on a big pile of chips that they could put into devices for a year+.

movax
Aug 30, 2008

smax posted:

Is it that obvious if the 7 core has the exact same die as the 8 core? The 7 cores are just binned M1 chips with a core disabled. Physically they’re the same.

Yeah it just seems like a supply chain micro-optimization that could make things harder... unless its same base part + you apply a different spreader / TIM to it?

Crunchy Black
Oct 24, 2017

by Athanatos

Comatoast posted:

That is a bunch of bologna. I run a one-man manufacturing business and when I screw up I have to eat the cost. I don't forward the mistake on to the customer.

If this isn't a shitppost, lol

Canned Sunshine
Nov 20, 2005

CAUTION: POST QUALITY UNDER CONSTRUCTION



Comatoast posted:

That is a bunch of bologna. I run a one-man manufacturing business and when I screw up I have to eat the cost. I don't forward the mistake on to the customer.

Hah, you must not live in ‘Murica

BobHoward
Feb 13, 2012

The only thing white people deserve is a bullet to their empty skull
When you buy NAND at Apple's scale, there are contracts, which means they probably won't pay anything extra because the price was negotiated long ago. The consequence to Apple is likely to be supply shortage.

Ultimate Mango
Jan 18, 2005

Ok Comboomer posted:

Idk if anybody here listens to/watches Moore’s Law is Dead, but the last episode’s guest is a former tech journalist-turned-manufacturing expert/consultant/whatever (I honestly forget the details) who lives and works in Taiwan.

It’s kind of amazing how simultaneously ironclad and incredibly precarious that whole situation is, and not even because of stuff like China or geopolitics.

Like all it takes is one historically bad typhoon or seismic event to hit say—the TSMC foundries and companies like Apple would be completely turbofucked. Apple’s entire silicon operation relies on TSMC cranking for them more or less nonstop, and nobody else currently has the ability to match TSMC on process size or production capacity. For all that Intel says that they’d love to manufacture Apple’s chips for them, Intel simply doesn’t have the ability or capability right now.

It’s not like Apple’s sitting on a big pile of chips that they could put into devices for a year+.

Webcams however, endless supplies of lovely not really HD webcams. Those are still going into everything for years to come.

FCKGW
May 21, 2006

How will Apple, notorious for razor thing margins on their SSD upgrades, ever cope with a 10% spike in NAND pricing? :iiam:

Also Apple doesn't buy WD/Sandisk NAND, they're contracted with Samsung.

BobHoward
Feb 13, 2012

The only thing white people deserve is a bullet to their empty skull

FCKGW posted:

How will Apple, notorious for razor thing margins on their SSD upgrades, ever cope with a 10% spike in NAND pricing? :iiam:

Also Apple doesn't buy WD/Sandisk NAND, they're contracted with Samsung.

They buy from all the major suppliers, ifixit found WD/Sandisk in the 2020 M1 Air and Pro. As a big consumer of flash, Apple probably doesn't want to tie themselves to just one source. Events like this one show why...

Proteus Jones
Feb 28, 2013



BobHoward posted:

They buy from all the major suppliers, ifixit found WD/Sandisk in the 2020 M1 Air and Pro. As a big consumer of flash, Apple probably doesn't want to tie themselves to just one source. Events like this one show why...

Plus, they lock in their supply chain contracts years in advance.

Mister Facetious
Apr 21, 2007

I think I died and woke up in L.A.,
I don't know how I wound up in this place...

:canada:

Comatoast posted:

That is a bunch of bologna. I run a one-man manufacturing business and when I screw up I have to eat the cost. I don't forward the mistake on to the customer.

Spoken like a man that has never had to answer to shareholders every three months demanding that stock price increases 10-15% per year to infinity

mitztronic
Jun 17, 2005

mixcloud.com/mitztronic

anothergod posted:

I don't get how people buy computers like they're fashion or something. Figure out your usecase and buy a computer for that usecase. Whether that's editing video, photos, writing documents, email, coding, watching porn, whatever. There's no way to feel buyers remorse if you do it that way. I mean, I guess if "having the new new" is what gives you happiness that's a thing, but it's a pretty frivolous thing.

I think Dave2D made a video about this exact thing wrt the last Intel iMac. He was less crude about it, but the notion stands. If you need an M1 box to make a thing get it and make the thing. If that thing was worth it at all you can get the M2 M3 etc.

It’s simple. If you’re spending 3k on a mbp, why wouldn’t you wait 1 extra month to get the new one for the same cost. Don’t overthink it

Personally I plan my upgrades well in advance. You bet your rear end I’m factoring in upgrade timelines into my schedule. It’s not fashion, its just smart planning.

mitztronic fucked around with this message at 17:49 on Feb 12, 2022

mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007

Excuse me, pardon me, sheer perfection coming through
lol this comes up every time. either you need a new laptop or you don't. you buy a new laptop when you need it, and you don't when you don't.if you can afford to wait 7 months to see what the new laptop looks like, you didn't actually need to buy a new one, you just wanted to (which is fine)

Quantum of Phallus
Dec 27, 2010
Probation
Can't post for 9 hours!

mediaphage posted:

lol this comes up every time. either you need a new laptop or you don't. you buy a new laptop when you need it, and you don't when you don't.if you can afford to wait 7 months to see what the new laptop looks like, you didn't actually need to buy a new one, you just wanted to (which is fine)

Baronash
Feb 29, 2012

So what do you want to be called?

mediaphage posted:

lol this comes up every time. either you need a new laptop or you don't. you buy a new laptop when you need it, and you don't when you don't.if you can afford to wait 7 months to see what the new laptop looks like, you didn't actually need to buy a new one, you just wanted to (which is fine)

This is ridiculous. I don't need a computer. Nor do I need a bike or a tv. I have all three because I want them, and I'd say that most folks who don't rely on their home computer for work are probably in the same boat.

carry on then
Jul 10, 2010

by VideoGames

(and can't post for 10 years!)

mediaphage posted:

lol this comes up every time. either you need a new laptop or you don't. you buy a new laptop when you need it, and you don't when you don't.if you can afford to wait 7 months to see what the new laptop looks like, you didn't actually need to buy a new one, you just wanted to (which is fine)

This is a great strategy for buying a PowerBook in December 2005 that is completely cut off from software updates in August 2009.

mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007

Excuse me, pardon me, sheer perfection coming through

Baronash posted:

This is ridiculous. I don't need a computer. Nor do I need a bike or a tv. I have all three because I want them, and I'd say that most folks who don't rely on their home computer for work are probably in the same boat.

it's not ridiculous, though. if you don't need a new laptop, then it's just whining about how life is so unfair that you blew a couple thousand dollars on something that got updated two months later. it's just being a crybaby and it comes up too often in this thread

carry on then posted:

This is a great strategy for buying a PowerBook in December 2005 that is completely cut off from software updates in August 2009.

this is a pretty dumb take, they've very clearly improved in this regard

Hughmoris
Apr 21, 2007
Let's go to the abyss!
P-P-P-Power Book!

doingitwrong
Jul 27, 2013
Laptop cadence being a bit unpredictable makes it a little easier to feel angst about this, but if you are buying something with predictable releases like an iPhone that evaporates. If you buy an iPhone every 3 years it doesn’t matter whether you get it in February, you’ll get the same number of days of use as someone who buys every launch window. It’s not actually that different for laptops. Buy a laptop, use it as long as possible, then buy the next one.

The only real rule of thumb I’d advocate for MacBooks is unless you have a strong reason otherwise, get one of the stock models instead of trying to “future proof” with custom builds with more RAM or whatever. The jump in cost does not come back to you in resell value and upgrade costs are so high, you’re better off setting that money aside for the next all-round better machine.

Baronash
Feb 29, 2012

So what do you want to be called?

mediaphage posted:

it's not ridiculous, though. if you don't need a new laptop, then it's just whining about how life is so unfair that you blew a couple thousand dollars on something that got updated two months later. it's just being a crybaby and it comes up too often in this thread

Who is whining? Most folks I've seen just want some guidance as to what might be coming up, which seems appropriate given that there are still obvious holes that new products will be filling in the coming year. I think trying to hold off on a purchase to get a better value or something closer to what you want is a pretty smart thing to do.

anothergod
Apr 11, 2016

mitztronic posted:

It’s simple. If you’re spending 3k on a mbp, why wouldn’t you wait 1 extra month to get the new one for the same cost. Don’t overthink it

Personally I plan my upgrades well in advance. You bet your rear end I’m factoring in upgrade timelines into my schedule. It’s not fashion, its just smart planning.

If you're buying the MBPro not for work it's definitely for vanity.

Mister Facetious
Apr 21, 2007

I think I died and woke up in L.A.,
I don't know how I wound up in this place...

:canada:

anothergod posted:

If you're buying the MBPro not for work it's definitely for vanity.

Maybe they're the special sort of crazy that hears "gaming on a Mac" and wants to be an early adopter :pseudo:

anothergod
Apr 11, 2016

Mister Facetious posted:

Maybe they're the special sort of crazy that hears "gaming on a Mac" and wants to be an early adopter :pseudo:

lol How many times has the thread title "Mac Hardware - Gaming On A Mac Early Adopters" been suggested?

mitztronic
Jun 17, 2005

mixcloud.com/mitztronic

anothergod posted:

If you're buying the MBPro not for work it's definitely for vanity.

This is the dumbest thing I’ve read this week. Stretch your mind and perhaps you can discover another reason besides work someone would need a MacBook Pro. One starts with “a” and ends with “t”.


E: VVV nice :v:

mitztronic fucked around with this message at 16:17 on Feb 14, 2022

Arivia
Mar 17, 2011

mitztronic posted:

This is the dumbest thing I’ve read this week. Stretch your mind and perhaps you can discover another reason besides work someone would need a MacBook Pro. One starts with “a” and ends with “t”.

asshat?

idk, i bought mine to play wow on and it worked when i only had one machine in undergrad but it wasn't the best choice

Binary Badger
Oct 11, 2005

Trolling Link for a decade


https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/02/14/new-macsthree-new-macs-revealed-in-eec-regulatory-filings

Welp, looks like another Mac model about to be introduced, the three part numbers could likely be the Good / Better / Best configs of a new Mini.

It'd be neat if they could give us a Mini with an M1 Pro / Max since its thermal envelope should be higher than a laptop's...

Mister Facetious
Apr 21, 2007

I think I died and woke up in L.A.,
I don't know how I wound up in this place...

:canada:

Binary Badger posted:

https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/02/14/new-macsthree-new-macs-revealed-in-eec-regulatory-filings

Welp, looks like another Mac model about to be introduced, the three part numbers could likely be the Good / Better / Best configs of a new Mini.

It'd be neat if they could give us a Mini with an M1 Pro / Max since its thermal envelope should be higher than a laptop's...

It's gonna be a 32" imac pro sku using the pro display xdr and the base model will cost usd $10k (including stand) :getin: :getin: :getin: Hail Satan

movax
Aug 30, 2008

Mister Facetious posted:

It's gonna be a 32" imac pro sku using the pro display xdr and the base model will cost usd $10k (including stand) :getin: :getin: :getin: Hail Satan

Lol

at including the stand in the cost

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!

"Most affordable XDR monitor ever"

$2399

mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007

Excuse me, pardon me, sheer perfection coming through

Binary Badger posted:

https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/02/14/new-macsthree-new-macs-revealed-in-eec-regulatory-filings

Welp, looks like another Mac model about to be introduced, the three part numbers could likely be the Good / Better / Best configs of a new Mini.

It'd be neat if they could give us a Mini with an M1 Pro / Max since its thermal envelope should be higher than a laptop's...

one's listed as a portable, so probably m1pro/max mini (unless they're bumping up the imac pro) and either an m2 13-inch air or 13-inch pro

Yeast
Dec 25, 2006

$1900 Grande Latte

Mister Facetious posted:

It's gonna be a 32" imac pro sku using the pro display xdr and the base model will cost usd $10k (including stand) :getin: :getin: :getin: Hail Satan

Sweet, I’ll buy it.

Detective No. 27
Jun 7, 2006

I had to drive to an Apple Store 30 miles away but I secured the 16" MacBook Pro. :golgo:

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

Detective No. 27 posted:

I had to drive to an Apple Store 30 miles away but I secured the 16" MacBook Pro. :golgo:

post a screenshot of the first game that you load on it

Detective No. 27
Jun 7, 2006

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

hell yea

Idk what the current emulation hotness on Mac is, but I like using OpenEmu for all my ROM playing needs

mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007

Excuse me, pardon me, sheer perfection coming through

that’s p tight. nice k240s

~Coxy
Dec 9, 2003

R.I.P. Inter-OS Sass - b.2000AD d.2003AD

You better delete that ROM within 24 hours or Bill Clinton will...
.. nevermind, carry on.

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Detective No. 27
Jun 7, 2006

Is there a goon favorite laptop sleeve?

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