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Dr Christmas posted:I heard they also smirked at old-fashioned Captain America being shocked by this, what with only old fuddy-duddies being shocked by incest back in the Aughts. I think it's Wasp that thinks he's old fashioned, yeah E:Horribly beaten, lol Worse than I remembered TBH
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I liked the magi-tech angle they went with Thor at first, then they ditched it too.
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I think Ultimate Spidey actually predated the Raimi movie. The later even borrowed dialogue from it. It may have been Blade or X-Men that spurred it on, after years of even the idea of a "good" Marvel movie being a joke. I always saw the Ultimate Universe as mostly a way to provide source material for movie adaptations or even a kind of printed sizzle reel for Hollywood. With the way they're drawn and paced there's a pervasive feeling of "This is what an Avengers movie will be like!" That was also when "writing for the trade" became commonplace and when Marvel was promoting some comics as "widescreen." It can't be a coincidence that so much of the Quesada era is represented in the MCU.
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The lowest point of the Ultimates, at least the lowest that I saw before I gave up even browsing the trades at the bookstore, was later, when the Blob was shown visibly cannibalistically eating from Wasp's torso and saying, "tastes like chicken." Blob may be a slob but he certainly doesn't talk with his mouth full! (Also, another data point in the Ultimates going further downhill after Loeb took over, though this probably wasn't his fault directly -- IIRC, Wasp was Asian-American at the beginning of the Ultimates, and then at the start of Ultimates Vol. 3 or whenever it was she magically becomes Caucasian without of course any reason or mention given.) I did like a couple of the ideas in Ultimates, like Iron Man needing a support team on the ground to help run the armor and requiring help to get suited up in it, which explains why you need a guy like Falcon sometimes -- he's not so high-maintenance. But it was a sprinkling of good ideas into a sea of bad execution. (And gave us that gag in Nextwave with Elsa Bloodstone: Do you think this [EU symbol on my chest] stands for America?)
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Byzantine posted:I liked the magi-tech angle they went with Thor at first, then they ditched it too. I really liked the bit at the end of the first Skrull arc where he teleports a reality nuke to "the Wastes of Nástrond" and Stark is screaming "He's just a mental patient with access to a teleporter! He's dropped it in Ohio or somewhere and we're all still going to die." Then the bomb goes off, reality doesn't explode, and Thor stands there looking smug.
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Ultimates was real bad. I binged through Ultimate Spiderman and was all "wow this is cool. I wonder what the rest of the lines are like?" and they were... Bad. I think the concept was less about selling movies and more retelling 40 year old stories in a modern context without having to reboot the whole universe. Which was a great idea in theory for old characters who were weighed down and boxed in by years of continuity or who had their origins set in Vietnam or some poo poo but Jesus Christ the execution. USM worked because it basically told the same basic Peter Parker story and updated it, at least for me, but what little I read of the other titles was just an excuse to go off the rails where "modernizing" them meant upping the crazy, adding a lot of edginess and made the mistake of giving writers a blank slate to act weird, overly violent and totally stupid.
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I think Ultimate Spider-Man also started the thing in Spider-Man adaptations where he's known MJ since they were in high school, whereas in the main comics she was a mystery niece of his aunt's friend that he kept avoiding getting introduced to for like three years.
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Wasn't Ultimates the one that had the extra-fashy Captain America?
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darkwasthenight posted:I really liked the bit at the end of the first Skrull arc where he teleports a reality nuke to "the Wastes of Nástrond" and Stark is screaming "He's just a mental patient with access to a teleporter! He's dropped it in Ohio or somewhere and we're all still going to die." then again Ohio still exists, did they really win?
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I'll admit I did actually like Ultimate Galactus, in which the 616 version finds himself in the Ultimate Universe, decides his oath to never again try to eat Earth doesn't apply to this Earth, and immediately destroys New Jersey so he can set up his equipment.
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Aside from less traffic into NYC, did anyone notice?
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Push El Burrito posted:
Sam Jackson as Nick Fury is the other super big one.
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Push El Burrito posted:It's kind of referenced in the Avengers movies when he says he "broke Harlem". Then they decided to make Hulk into that. The climax of the Ed Norton movie takes place in Harlem.
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Keromaru5 posted:I'll admit I did actually like Ultimate Galactus, in which the 616 version finds himself in the Ultimate Universe, decides his oath to never again try to eat Earth doesn't apply to this Earth, and immediately destroys New Jersey so he can set up his equipment. 
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I liked Ultimate X-Men, because it was free from decades of continuity and lore. I just wanted to read about the mutant resistance that is also a cool high school, and it did that just fine. Just make sure you stop reading after they finish up the Apocalypse-arc, and you have a neat self-contained story that ends with Jean Gray becoming the Phoenix so that she can defeat a literal god before sacrificing herself to reset the rest of the universe to the beginning of the story. The implication being that, while Xavier's group was trying to do good, they were less than perfect in making their actions match their ideals. They deserve a second chance, because they know they can do better. I thought it was a neat variation on some old tropes of the series, and a solid ending. But then you keep reading and it is horrible, contrived filler by a different writer every week, trying to kill time until the big crossover Ultimatum can occur and the entire cast dies, either literally or through character assassination. You know you hosed up the ending when it makes you wish for the more calm and humane writings of loving Mark Millar.
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One of these days I want to read Millar's run on Superman Adventures. I've always heard it was one of the best Superman runs of all time. Of course, I've also heard that it was secretly ghost-written by Grant Morrison, who gets Superman better than just about anybody. Just a rumor, though
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In Crazy Rich Asians the main character acts like a teen girl when she's supposed to be a tenured professor at NYU.
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more of a tv thing i guess but this poo poo is so lazy: - hero: i will tell you everything *dunDunDUN* - credits —— - intro - heroine: thank you for telling me everything vice versa too Carthag Tuek has a new favorite as of 07:36 on Feb 12, 2022 |
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theres a bit good stuff in the first season of it is for me made worse by purefoy looking like a younger christopher lambert
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Push El Burrito posted:The first appearance of Ultimate Hulk was your bog standard "Hulk shows up and destroys stuff". It's kind of referenced in the Avengers movies when he says he "broke Harlem". Then they decided to make Hulk into that. It's still pretty lol that literally every Reed Richards aside from the mainline one ends up becoming a villain. Keromaru5 posted:One of these days I want to read Millar's run on Superman Adventures. I've always heard it was one of the best Superman runs of all time. You might have been thinking of Red Son, there? Much like Ennis, Millar actually seems to be pretty good when he's not allowed to wallow in liquified edge, he likes exploring ideas and seems to have a decent sense of humour.
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Carthag Tuek posted:altered cabron
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Sobatchja Morda posted:I liked Ultimate X-Men, because it was free from decades of continuity and lore. I just wanted to read about the mutant resistance that is also a cool high school, and it did that just fine. THat's also the same continuity where Nightcrawler and Colossus have a rift because Colossus is Gay and Nightcrawler is a twat about it.
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Carthag Tuek posted:altered cabron 
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BioEnchanted posted:THat's also the same continuity where Nightcrawler and Colossus have a rift because Colossus is Gay and Nightcrawler is a twat about it. Yeah, which is an annoying take on Nightcrawler, bit I have to admit... ...I did like gay Colossus, especially because early-2000's still didn't have a lot of non-straight superheroes.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:It's still pretty lol that literally every Reed Richards aside from the mainline one ends up becoming a villain. Every. Single. One. 
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Improbable Lobster posted:I think it's Wasp that thinks he's old fashioned, yeah The artist on that run also forgot that Ultimate Wasp wasn't Caucasian, and editorial didn't care enough to point that out.
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Sobatchja Morda posted:Yeah, which is an annoying take on Nightcrawler, bit I have to admit... Tangentially related, it kind of annoyed me that in (the much more recent) Way of X Nightcrawler sets out to start a mutant religion or guiding philosophy and ends up forming a militia instead??? I guess? Also shooting some guys dead??? I dunno, I was really interested in the former concept and was left pretty cold when it ended up the latter. I haven't kept up with the comics for many many years so maybe that's just how he rolls now but I did not like it. rip. Irrationally (?) Irritating Comic Book Moments LITERALLY A BIRD has a new favorite as of 22:00 on Feb 12, 2022 |
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I honestly don't remember if the nightcrawler now is the same from the 70s but reborn, or if he's the one from the age of apocalypse that somehow popped into nowadays from that timeline. Great character but holy gently caress it seems like he's cursed to be shittily written for eternity.
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Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:I honestly don't remember if the nightcrawler now is the same from the 70s but reborn, or if he's the one from the age of apocalypse that somehow popped into nowadays from that timeline. He was fine from what I remember in X Men Evolution. I liked the relationship with his half-sister Rogue and their mother Mystique, that was interesting.
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BioEnchanted posted:He was fine from what I remember in X Men Evolution. I liked the relationship with his half-sister Rogue and their mother Mystique, that was interesting. Yeah he was adorable in that. Also a really good version of Cyclops.
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X-Men Evolution was a lot better than it's premise (X-Men but in High School) looked.
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BooDooBoo posted:The artist on that run also forgot that Ultimate Wasp wasn't Caucasian, and editorial didn't care enough to point that out. Oh my god
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Schubalts posted:X-Men Evolution was a lot better than it's premise (X-Men but in High School) looked. Batman Beyond did it better, but comparing DCAU stuff is kinda unfair. Also Evo had uncle Wolverine.
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To be fair they were both doing different things - Batman Beyond was a story of the original cast being too old to keep up with modern criminals and having to pass on the torch, while X-Men Evolution was more retelling classic stories or situations with younger characters who were expected to be more relatable. Evolution ended with yet ANOTHER take on Apocalypse and his four horsemen, Batman Beyond had a woman made of living ink and a villain who was just making furries about a decade before they were a popularised thing online. Beyond was actually surprisingly predictive in that sort of thing, the Jokerz are a bunch of edgy teens aping a well-known supervillain's style because he looks cool without understanding what he was actually like.
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Not entirely the right thread, but holy moly they are making another Batman? Already? Feels like Ben Affleck's run that I also didn't see just happened.
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Ravenfood posted:Not entirely the right thread, but holy moly they are making another Batman? Already? Feels like Ben Affleck's run that I also didn't see just happened. Ben Affleck was going to be in and direct a solo Batman movie, but he didn't want to do both of those anymore. https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/movies/story/2022-01-07/ben-affleck-tender-bar-amazon
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Ravenfood posted:Not entirely the right thread, but holy moly they are making another Batman? Already? Feels like Ben Affleck's run that I also didn't see just happened. Yeah but this one is from the Planet of the Apes guy and the Riddler is Zodiac now.
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Inque from Batman Beyond was amazing in every way. her only flaw was not being used more. XMen Evolution was loving awesome too. I only remember disliking the Spike kid because he really didn't need to be there. But otherwise it was great.
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Mierenneuker posted:Ben Affleck was going to be in and direct a solo Batman movie, but he didn't want to do both of those anymore. His life was kind of falling apart after the Justice League movie came out.
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