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Rusty Shackelford posted:Andre won it, DiBiase bought it, which was the reason given. Andre won the belt, then said "I surrender the title to Ted DiBiase", and later Jack Tunney said that by surrendering the title meant Andre was no longer champion. If only DiBiase had thought to "beat" Andre in a subsequent match.
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i always wondered why wwf didn't bring in jack tunney's children for at least a short storyline. But he was the last of his line. no more tunney honey. now to my question. does his cousin ed tunney have children? I don't care, but this is a thread for asking questions only.
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Feb 12, 2022 03:58
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When did Sweet Chin Music (HBK's heavily protected move) turn into ajust a transitional move (Superkick) I'm guessing maybe it has to do with Young Bucks doing it? Was anyone in Japan doing superkicks back then?
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Hirez posted:When did Sweet Chin Music (HBK's heavily protected move) turn into a transitional Superkick. I'm guessing maybe it has to do with Young Bucks doing it? Was anyone in Japan doing superkicks back then? people did superkicks all the time in the US in the 80s and 90s (the wild samoans come to mind first) shawn michaels himself used the superkick as a transitional move all the time before it became his finisher
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Feb 12, 2022 04:18
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It was Haku's finisher before Shawn started using it (most memorably he accidentally knocked out Andre with it at Wrestlemania 6)
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Feb 12, 2022 04:22
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ahh, thats why I ask. I guess more general, what other finishers turned into just standard moves (or vice-versa). Things like The People's Elbow - was this a rib on Hogans Legdrop? Or Moonsaults won't win a watch these days unless you spin 900 times like Pac Everyone does cutters, but no one wins with them cept Randy. Frog Splash power depends on how closely blood related they are to Eddie. The DDT was death for jake, now you have Tornado DDT's and they just go unphased 
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Feb 12, 2022 04:27
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I might have asked this before but I can't remember the answer. Mark Henry is strong AF, we know this. But did he ever do actual power moves? Did he ever lift his opponent over his head even? My memories of Mark Henry involve the WSS and him just kinda meandering around the ring slowly trucking people.
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Feb 12, 2022 04:28
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DeathChicken posted:It was Haku's finisher before Shawn started using it (most memorably he accidentally knocked out Andre with it at Wrestlemania 6) I loving love Meng -- I love that Goon story about a wedding where some grandma was friends with like the Rock so everyone was talking to her about the Rock, then it turned out she was like Meng's best friend and no one had any idea who he was cept the goon (or something like that)
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Feb 12, 2022 04:29
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one of mark henry's signature moves was a military press 'drop', leaving the opponents behind him before taking a couple of steps forward. i can't prove it.
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Feb 12, 2022 04:31
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Hirez posted:ahh, thats why I ask. The People's Elbow wasn't a finisher, it was Rock's taunt after he already hit the Rock Bottom
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Feb 12, 2022 04:41
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Hirez posted:ahh, thats why I ask. People even kicked out of Jake's DDT so it's not like it was always death.
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Feb 12, 2022 05:14
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and don't even get me started on how many people kick out of backslides
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Nehru the Damaja posted:Are you retconning Ted Dibiase by Hundo Supreme's rules, scaled up? name drop that fool again and im sending the dockmaster after you.
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Feb 12, 2022 05:19
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Alaois posted:and don't even get me started on how many people kick out of backslides Bob Backlund won matches with the atomic drop (including the WWWF title)
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Feb 12, 2022 05:34
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all wrestling moves have the potential to be finishers, or just transitional moves, depending on who does them fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but fear the man who has practiced the superkick 10,000 times
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Feb 12, 2022 08:39
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The Falcon Arrow will never be a transisitional move, because nobody can kick out of it
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MassRafTer posted:People even kicked out of Jake's DDT so it's not like it was always death. But Jake said what made his DDT different from the others is that people don't get up. I trusted him...
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Feb 12, 2022 08:47
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Someone should use the Irish Whip as their finisher
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Feb 12, 2022 08:57
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I'm kind of curious about who had the most mundane move as a finisher in the modern era of wrestling. Chris Masters, maybe?
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Zombie Lemur posted:I'm kind of curious about who had the most mundane move as a finisher in the modern era of wrestling. Chris Masters, maybe? Do punches and/or back elbows count?
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Feb 12, 2022 09:05
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It's gotta be the KO punch
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Andrast posted:Someone should use the Irish Whip as their finisher the irish whip started as a finisher by Danny O'Mahoney and it was kinda like a fake ogoshi judo throw https://twitter.com/CatchWrestling/status/943888532828979200
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Feb 12, 2022 09:07
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Lunatic Sledge posted:Do punches and/or back elbows count? I guess it depends on how it looks. Strikes can be pretty nasty. I really just want to see someone terrorizing people with an abdominal stretch I guess.
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Feb 12, 2022 09:20
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Zombie Lemur posted:I guess it depends on how it looks. Strikes can be pretty nasty. i mean as i vaguely alluded to before, Genki Horiguchi has used a backslide as his finisher for nearly 20 years at this point
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Feb 12, 2022 09:22
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Alaois posted:i mean as i vaguely alluded to before, Genki Horiguchi has used a backslide as his finisher for nearly 20 years at this point I feel like I remember someone using a victory roll as a finisher back in the 90's but I couldn't tell you who it was.
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Hirez posted:When did Sweet Chin Music (HBK's heavily protected move) turn into ajust a transitional move (Superkick) I'm guessing maybe it has to do with Young Bucks doing it? Was anyone in Japan doing superkicks back then? Guys in the late 90s/early 00s were all spamming superkicks. Glacier, Saturn, Lance Storm, Shane Helms, Chavo Guerrero, Justin Credible, Ernest Miller, Chris Adams, Stevie Richards, Booker T.
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haku was technically doing a savate kick. some other wrestlers also did it but were trying to do a superkick. he was just trying to do his savate kick. superkick needs to go from that into finishing with backward force. it's hard to explain for a dumbass piece of poo poo like me. i want to be clear that i'm saying it's hard for me to explain it, not that it's hard to explain TO a dumbass piece of poo poo. no one here is that except me.
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Ten years and a day ago today a Ripcord Lariat wouldn’t have been a particularly significant move: then the Rainmaker Shock happened and suddenly it becomes the Rainmaker: the feared finished of Kazuchika Okada. Doesn’t take much to make any old move a finisher in the right hands.
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Related: At the 20 min mark of Paul Heyman on Stone Cold’s show they talk about selling and finishers and Heyman explains how you could get even something as basic as a headlock over as a killer finishing move https://youtu.be/CSSbMjj5648
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Alaois posted:the irish whip started as a finisher by Danny O'Mahoney and it was kinda like a fake ogoshi judo throw That actually looks like a whipping motion too
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Davros1 posted:Andre won the belt, then said "I surrender the title to Ted DiBiase", and later Jack Tunney said that by surrendering the title meant Andre was no longer champion. We could have had something like the Fingerpoke of Doom only it could have been in the service of telling a decent story.
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Benne posted:The People's Elbow wasn't a finisher, it was Rock's taunt after he already hit the Rock Bottom and really its just a version of Mutas flashing elbow with more theatrica
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Feb 12, 2022 17:35
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Zombie Lemur posted:I'm kind of curious about who had the most mundane move as a finisher in the modern era of wrestling. Chris Masters, maybe? Big Show's punch to the jaw.
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Even though it's common place I love seeing a huge dude use a powerbomb as a finisher.
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Zombie Lemur posted:I'm kind of curious about who had the most mundane move as a finisher in the modern era of wrestling. Chris Masters, maybe? Does anyone still do the Heart Punch?
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The Stunner has been brought back, I need the Legdrop of Doom to come back too.
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Zombie Lemur posted:I guess it depends on how it looks. Strikes can be pretty nasty. She wins so rarely I could hardly call it "terrorizing", but TJPW's Moka Miyamoto has won a few matches with a variation on the abdominal stretch.
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Silly Burrito posted:The Stunner has been brought back, I need the Legdrop of Doom to come back too. eh, iirc leg drops gently caress up your knees pretty badly, which is why Hogan hosed up his knees in spite of doing bugger-all athletically for most of his matches then again, iirc Kobashi kept doing leg drops even after he stopped doing the moonsault regularly, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Venomous posted:eh, iirc leg drops gently caress up your knees pretty badly, which is why Hogan hosed up his knees in spite of doing bugger-all athletically for most of his matches I think legdrops are more a hip killer than a knee killer
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ah, that's it, I meant hips not knees lmao
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