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wetdela posted:Bro, he’s former SOF. He probably has a contact there because a friend of his was involved in capacity building or training in Yavoriv or somewhere else in Ukraine. Black Rifle isn’t a front for the US Information Agency, they sell tacky shirts and k-cups to LE/MIL bros. This forum takes a very strange attitude to people with professional experience. SOF aren't capable of lying for clicks? Bro? If he's so official where's the blue check? It's not unreasonable to be wary of unsourced rumors from Twitter.
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Paladinus posted:A guy who knows a guy who's heard of some other guys is a bad source. Even if it turns out to be true, you're supposed to be sceptical of stuff like this. You can be skeptical, sure, but what he's saying is totally believable. Ukraine probably doesn't want to accidentally create the catalyst for an invasion.
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celewign posted:You can be skeptical, sure, but what he's saying is totally believable. Ukraine probably doesn't want to accidentally create the catalyst for an invasion. Agreed. Believable, yes. But I'd rather tweets with substance get posted rather than telephone game bullshit.
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People should not forget that the vast majority of Twitter people and Echo-Chamber denizens on whatever side are not funded by the CIA, nor do they need to be to spout alarmist exaggerations. There is an absolute abundance of people who immediate RT the most extreme speculation which makes people look. In this case, it's Russia attacking the Ukraine, so pretty much every video of a Russian tank on a road somewhere then "means" that Russia is about to attack "in mere minutes". This is the same as Covid posters like Feigl Ding or whatshisname, who quotes long research papers about anything with the conslusion that we now literally have airborne superaids. This is not to say Russia is not mounting an attack, nor that the CIA isn't releasing propaganda and so forth. But our information/attention economy rewards those who consistently post the most dramatic take. It's not all or nothing. It's not either true or an CIA op. It can be both, or even neither. Heck, there are news sites who say that Russia is "about to attack within the day" for weeks and weeks. It's all too much noise to really know what's going on, imo. Which is of course a well-known Putin strategy. All I know is that at this point, the mere impression of escalation is beneficial for Russia, for the USA and for every drat twitter superstar. So yeah. Haramstufe Rot fucked around with this message at 19:36 on Feb 13, 2022 |
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I mean you're all right to be skeptical but... he's just saying that they canceled some vacations and told everyone not to engage the Russians. That's a pretty obvious thing for Ukraine to do and not the kind of extraordinary claim that would require extraordinary evidence imo.
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Some Russian unit positions as of today: https://twitter.com/The_Lookout_N/status/1492844014726438915?s=20&t=Z-b5Qut6aKA9THRLGcrvoA
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Looks like there’s a moderately large protest against Tokayev in Almaty.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Looks like there’s a moderately large protest against Tokayev in Almaty. Russian armies trying to invade Ukraine. Time to protest
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Looks like there’s a moderately large protest against Tokayev in Almaty. The ongoing Beijing winter games brings to mind that Almaty is famous for its Medeu ice rink where multiple speed skating world records were broken in the 1950-60's. COINCIDENCE???
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God they aren't even going to rump ukraine. They're going to fully occupy Kiev.
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I'm going to be moving soon, so I really do hope the United States can keep itself from starting the final days until then. World War III does not exactly lend itself to a good future.
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Victory Position posted:I'm going to be moving soon, so I really do hope the United States can keep itself from starting the final days until then. Loving these takes where Russia invades a sovereign state but somehow it’s someone else’s fault.
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I believe the good faith reading here is "hope the US does not get involved and escalate into a direct confrontation with the other nuclear armed state"
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Solaris 2.0 posted:Loving these takes where Russia invades a sovereign state but somehow it’s someone else’s fault. It really is amazing being an American and thus being one of the blessed 330,000,000 people on the planet with any agency whatsoever. All the world dances to our tune 
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Victory Position posted:World War III does not exactly lend itself to a good future. World War 3 isn't going to happen. The US and NATO are not staging forces to counter a Russian incursion into Ukraine. Why do people keep assuming we're going to, last minute, do so? As of last month there was only about 70k US forces stationed in ALL of Europe, unsure if that counts the elements of the 82nd Airborne being moved into Poland to help with evacs, but there is in no way enough forces in Europe to even begin to consider countering the 100k+ Russian forces on the Ukrainian border, and for all intents and purposes the US position has been we will not be involved in a war with Russia. CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 21:24 on Feb 13, 2022 |
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How are u posted:It really is amazing being an American and thus being one of the blessed 330,000,000 people on the planet with any agency whatsoever. All the world dances to our tune https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hegemony (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Conspiratiorist posted:I believe the good faith reading here is "hope the US does not get involved and escalate into a direct confrontation with the other nuclear armed state" This is good to hear and it definitely seems to be the consensus in this thread. I guess the next line of questioning is to what exactly Russia intends to do after this current incursion, depending on whether or not they can repeat what they were able to do in 2014.
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Actually, Nato secret article 420/69 states that USA has a responsibility to defend all the founding members of United Nations by a nuclear first strike. And unfortunately the Ukrainian SSR was one of the UN founders.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Looks like there’s a moderately large protest against Tokayev in Almaty. https://twitter.com/CreativeCorazon/status/1492773179294691333 while the symbolism makes sense, this is still one of the stranger protest photos i have seen
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Putin is behind the wheel on this one. USA might be in the backseat yelling but no matter how much you wish it you guys [americans] are not the ones choosing how or when the ride crashes.
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CMYK BLYAT! posted:https://twitter.com/CreativeCorazon/status/1492773179294691333 Now fruits are taking the streets. Obvious western homo propaganda.
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Victory Position posted:This is good to hear and it definitely seems to be the consensus in this thread. Rather early to speculate. We're still at the "guessing what their actual objectives are" stage.
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Threadkiller Dog posted:Putin is behind the wheel on this one. USA might be in the backseat yelling but no matter how much you wish it you guys [americans] are not the ones choosing how or when the ride crashes. No! We are the main character! Only question is if we're a cool good guy main character like john wayne or a cool bad guy main character like breaking bad
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CMYK BLYAT! posted:https://twitter.com/CreativeCorazon/status/1492773179294691333 That's a lot of apples  Threadkiller Dog posted:Putin is behind the wheel on this one. USA might be in the backseat yelling but no matter how much you wish it you guys [americans] are not the ones choosing how or when the ride crashes. I don't understand this terrifying world you live in that isn't centered around me, an American
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Yeah nobody knows the long term game Putin has for Ukraine. Most likely its just put a Russian asset back into Kyiv and tie Ukraine back into the Russian economy and that's about it. Other than that, what its mostly likely to do as well is backfire in Putin's face, as part of his goal was to demonstrate weak NATO resolve, but Ukraine is not a member of NATO and so far its only increased NATO members calling for a strong resolve. So yeah, its hard to tell what Putin thinks he will gain.
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Apparently in the most recent phone call with Biden, Zelensky invited Joe to come to visit him in Kyiv to send a signal. The White House didn't report this but the Ukrainian president's office did. Actually that would make for an interesting scenario. How would USA react to Russian army killing the POTUS who was acting as a human shield?
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CMYK BLYAT! posted:https://twitter.com/CreativeCorazon/status/1492773179294691333 At least one apple is actually an orange. And one more appears to be a carnation. There's a also a peach.
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CommieGIR posted:Most likely its just put a Russian asset back into Kyiv and tie Ukraine back into the Russian economy and that's about it.
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Nenonen posted:Apparently in the most recent phone call with Biden, Zelensky invited Joe to come to visit him in Kyiv to send a signal. The White House didn't report this but the Ukrainian president's office did. Just have Joe standing at the border, arms outstretched, facing down a Russian tank.
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Foxfire_ posted:How does that work without an occupation though? A puppet installed at gunpoint isn't going to last very long if all the guns leave I suspect they'll keep forces in theater for a while, but I also don't know if there will be much of a violent insurgency. But hard to predict, I cannot be certain.
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Nenonen posted:Apparently in the most recent phone call with Biden, Zelensky invited Joe to come to visit him in Kyiv to send a signal. The White House didn't report this but the Ukrainian president's office did. Biden should go actually. If the intel is that good. Stay for a week even, see the sites. Nobel peace prize material.
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CommieGIR posted:Yeah nobody knows the long term game Putin has for Ukraine. Most likely its just put a Russian asset back into Kyiv and tie Ukraine back into the Russian economy and that's about it. Other than that, what its mostly likely to do as well is backfire in Putin's face, as part of his goal was to demonstrate weak NATO resolve, but Ukraine is not a member of NATO and so far its only increased NATO members calling for a strong resolve. Also forcing Germany (and by extension the EU) who was more than happy to let Russia do whatever it wanted so long as it kept the gas flowing to switch to being hostile to Putin and saying radical things like Russia should face consequences for breaking international law. Putin hosed up and threw away something much more valuable than Ukraine but that bridge is burned at this point so he may as well finished the deed.
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CommieGIR posted:I suspect they'll keep forces in theater for a while, but I also don't know if there will be much of a violent insurgency. But hard to predict, I cannot be certain. All that really undersells how destabilising and catastrophic a war against a peaceful brotherly nation would be to start. I am convinced if it does come to this it will be the end of Putin
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Wonder if Putin will pull what he did in occupied Georgia where they wiped entire villages off the map to ensure they couldn't come back https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2012/08/19/how-villages-are-erased-from-the-georgian-map-a17123 https://twitter.com/KShoshiashvili/status/1492788366722703366?s=20&t=Z-b5Qut6aKA9THRLGcrvoA https://www.hrw.org/report/2009/01/23/flames/humanitarian-law-violations-and-civilian-victims-conflict-over-south
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contact on Russian side of the border just received security update "Avoid all travel near bordering areas with Ukraine and avoid unnecessary travel. New updates will follow as situation is being followed"
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pippy posted:Just have Joe standing at the border, arms outstretched, facing down a Russian tank. *nods sagely* Trump, when the Wall fell.
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