peter gabriel posted:

Yup lol, I must have a screenshot if that somewhere, at the time someone pointed out that in emails to me and on that zen thingy they referred to me as major tom, even though my account name was not that

peter gabriel posted:

Mine said:
Goon Major Tom (or peter gabriel, I can't remember)
Snowflake
Do Not Engage


It was all in the source code of your zen desk support page if you right clicked and viewed source

Thoatse posted:

Kosumo posted:

To be fair, their reaction to your Major Tom videos did make them make one of their first gameplay loops - crime stats for pad ramming.

You have done more for the design document than Chris, Ben, Brian or Erin ...... how much where you paid?

Also, I amazed that on your CIG perp sheet they did not say "Cyborg"

Rob Rockley posted:

It's definitively a scam. I think the signs were always there that it was a scam and that is one of the reasons I hesitated to fund it even though the pitch is basically laser-targeted at my interests. It's always been questionable from the start. Hell, I think it qualifies more as a cult than anything else at this point. Years from now people will point their fingers and wonder how so many credulous idiots could be taken for so much for so long, because of the utterly incredible nature of the whole project the entire time.

Rad Russian posted:

They claimed there was already one year of development done when Kickstarter launched. However it was later revealed that the whole Kickstarter trailer video was made for them by Crytek for free to sell them on the engine, so they didn't even do the trailer part themselves and none of the shots were from anything in the game as that state didn't exist as even a prototype.

There was nothing done by Croberts at all when Kickstarter first launched besides concept drawings, and he didn't even put together the trailer with his team. Saying "delivery of final product in 2 years" was a lie, knowing that there was 0 dev done. I'm sure the goal was to get a million, gently caress around to create some base demo, and move on to some other grift. He obviously did not anticipate the dozens of millions people were willing to pour in every year so he had to scramble to set up some bullshit roadmap for years of work.

Kosumo posted:

And then when all the money came in, did he not back pay himself for all the work before the kick starter and also made CIG/RSI (both his own companies) buy intellectual property rights to make 'Star Citizen/Squadron 42'?

To me, it feels like Chris easily took 25% of the first 10 million of backer money just for himself straight up, if not of the first $25 million.

Rad Russian posted:

There were photos back in 2015 of several brand new Porsches parked outside the office that Croberts was rotating on various days. An absolute slap in the face of backers when nothing was delivered to have their money be spent on luxury sports cars. Then he also bought a new mansion (in 2016? someone has to dig it up). No one in the cult even questioned it. After nothing came of this, he completely stopped trying to hide that he was living a lavish lifestyle with no product delivered, and we got the yacht photo that he proudly provided himself just after news of another year of delays came out.

Rad Russian posted:

They claimed there was already one year of development done when Kickstarter launched. However it was later revealed that the whole Kickstarter trailer video was made for them by Crytek for free to sell them on the engine, so they didn't even do the trailer part themselves and none of the shots were from anything in the game as that state didn't exist as even a prototype.

L. Ron Hoover posted:

I haven't watched much of sandi, but why does she creep me out so much

DreadUnknown posted:

Every time I try to read the insane drivel Monocle Cat quotes, I feel like I'm getting dumber somehow.

CitizenKain posted:

Amazing to think that with a small fraction of the money thrown into the dumpster on this game, someone could have bought the rights to Freespace and not only remastered them on a modern engine, but also make a sequel.

Mailer posted:

I know all the nonexistent "previous dev" work was canonically wiped out by The Great Vote where the backers posted in a forum to make the development have no end date, but does anyone have a post where they excuse the initial scam in favor of the future scam? Someone a dozen pages or so ago mentioned that the new new narrative is that everyone knows the crobbler scammed them initially, but that's ok because it's good for store citizer.

I just want to see where these champion mental gymnasts accept that they've been duped and still hold out hope. Video game jawlines might not be my fetish but those posts are.

stingtwo posted:

You can almost point to any year since 2014 of them handwaving any and all delays with the same responses, not even your typical tech support bot is as robotic with the messages.

"We knew the game wasn't coming out in 2014"
"They had to build the company up"
"They restarted development in X year so everything before is canned"
"I only spent $45 on this so i'm not worried"

You can go to almost ANY forum and see a backer saying one of those things, the FD forums get a new person every 6 months saying EXACTLY those messages that it either has to be the same moron or a staff member at cig.

CitizenKain posted:

Amazing to think that with a small fraction of the money thrown into the dumpster on this game, someone could have bought the rights to Freespace and not only remastered them on a modern engine, but also make a sequel.

Beet Wagon posted:

pgabz probably shares equal responsibility with CR for the “argon levels” poo poo if we’re being honest. They basically designed their entire room system around him nipplejetting through airlocks in his underwear

peter gabriel posted:

I think they did do a couple of things very hastily because of it all and none really worked. The sudden appearance of a changing closet at the airlock was one I think, that was funny as hell.
There was a table I use to jump on, run along and jump through the ceiling to clip outside port oliasarse, one day out of the blue you could no longer run on just that one table, if you jumped on it you were forced into walking while on the table, I am sure they did that cos of me, and it made me giggle.

I was going to stop my subscription and not buy the Hover Quad. All this whining has made me buy and resub. Treat humans better people and stop dehumanizing the developers. Negativity just brings misery to your life posted:

This drama is the most entertaining thing people make mistakes and intent misconstrued. CIG making record profits the last two years. expanding by a thousand developers and new studio, CIG making investments and third-party acquisitions, and still people think the game will not be finished or is not being worked on. Server meshing is holding up the PU. Until resolved all content work is going to SQ42. SQ42 content helps the PU content to a large extent ultimately. Yes, there is only currently 1 star system, more are being worked on. Yes, procedural tools are being developed to help speed this up plus the acquisition of a whole additional studio. If this game fails, they are doing a really bad job at failing. I actually was about to just stop backing and playing for a while but all the whining just had the opposite effect on me. I'm gonna back just because of all the hate. Hope everyone has a better more positive day. Do something good in the world enough pain and conflict as is.

DreadUnknown posted:

Every time I try to read the insane drivel Monocle Cat quotes, I feel like I'm getting dumber somehow.

Rad Russian posted:

They claimed there was already one year of development done when Kickstarter launched. However it was later revealed that the whole Kickstarter trailer video was made for them by Crytek for free to sell them on the engine, so they didn't even do the trailer part themselves and none of the shots were from anything in the game as that state didn't exist as even a prototype.

There was nothing done by Croberts at all when Kickstarter first launched besides concept drawings, and he didn't even put together the trailer with his team. Saying "delivery of final product in 2 years" was a lie, knowing that there was 0 dev done. I'm sure the goal was to get a million, gently caress around to create some base demo, and move on to some other grift. He obviously did not anticipate the dozens of millions people were willing to pour in every year so he had to scramble to set up some bullshit roadmap for years of work.

Kosumo posted:

And then when all the money came in, did he not back pay himself for all the work before the kick starter and also made CIG/RSI (both his own companies) buy intellectual property rights to make 'Star Citizen/Squadron 42'?

To me, it feels like Chris easily took 25% of the first 10 million of backer money just for himself straight up, if not of the first $25 million.

Mailer posted:

I know all the nonexistent "previous dev" work was canonically wiped out by The Great Vote where the backers posted in a forum to make the development have no end date, but does anyone have a post where they excuse the initial scam in favor of the future scam? Someone a dozen pages or so ago mentioned that the new new narrative is that everyone knows the crobbler scammed them initially, but that's ok because it's good for store citizer.

I just want to see where these champion mental gymnasts accept that they've been duped and still hold out hope. Video game jawlines might not be my fetish but those posts are.

JugbandDude posted:

"Well, the backers voted with their wallets. CIG was getting showered with money, so they were forced to keep expanding the scope. It's our fault actually"

It's not like CIG could have laid off all artists and just finished an MVP with all the money gathered. No sir, that's not what the backers voted for with some shady, ambiguous poll.

posted:

Finally there is one very important element – the more funds we can raise in the pre-launch phase, the more we can invest in additional content (more ships, characters etc.) and perhaps more importantly we can apply greater number of resources to the various tasks to ensure we deliver the full functionality sooner rather than later.

The Titanic posted:

I sort of get confused when he implies cig is making an engine, etc.

Cig did not make the engine. They got CryEngine, and the CryTek team built the first demo for CR.

"StarEngine" is just modding and user hacks on an already established and built engine.

The implications that he has some kind of insider information on the current completion of various pieces of game like sq404 is also bonkers. Though whatever, you do you, strange person.

quote:

Yeah yeah.. whatever you say bud, want some fries with that?

It is a modified version of the Lumberyard Engine (for legal purposes), as such those modifications are what allow licensing. Just like I can get the free version of a 3D software, but I have to pay for 3rd party addons to extend it's capability. They also have many bespoke tools which other game developers would love to get their hands on.

Some questions about things that seems to have been abandoned posted:

I know When question are not allowed, but since roadmap is now limited to one quarter and the progress tracker does not give any information about when features will be introduce, I would like an update from CIG about theses features :

Mission givers

Remember Eddy Parr who was on the raodmap for 3.4 ?
Remember the two mission givers of Orison ?
Remember the mission shown at CitizenCon 2019 ? "soon" in the PU, and Todd papy saying he wants more mission like these and more point of interest outside main landing zone ? well two years later, nothing new.

Docking

Docking was introduced 1 year ago for 2 ships : the 890J and the Hammerhead,
When the remaining 90% ships that have a docking collar, round model, such as the Carrack, will be able to dock ? how many years before this mechanic is extended to more than two ships ?

Ship Spawning with ship/rover inside

Im talking about the ability to spawn a ship like the Carrack with rover and Pisce (or any ship that fit) inside it.
At the CitizenCon 2019 they said it was one of CR priorities, and it was suppose to come with ship to ship docking, still nothing two years later

Ship naming

Introduce 1 year ago for 6 ships, what about the other ships ? how many month / years to scale the text correclty and have it extend to all ship ?

Room system

CR stated 3 years ago that the room system is done and work, ok sure, but why is it not in the game yet ? what about depressurisation, about temperature and air composition changing when cargo doors are open on a planet or moon ? whats the blockers ?

Abandoned space station /RR

That was a card on the roadmap 2 years ago, it's gone and never came back, why ?

Aaron Halo

Was shown in an ISC two years ago, it seemed well advanced, yet still not in the game

Fauna

Two years ago you showed us a fully modeled "space cow", what happened to it?

Same question for the boreal stalker, you introduced it in the progress tracker a year ago, the work on it has been finished for months, what remains to be done? animation ? the AI ? why do we have no information about it ?

What about the space rats, bats, frog etc... mentionned by Todd Papy which were supposed to spawn automatically in caves or near water sources?

Space Whales

In the post mortem report of alpha 3.14 it is mentioned that one of the regrets of the team was not having time to introduce space whales,
We know from the progress tracker that the planned work on the space wahles is marked as finished, the mascot uniform is finished, and the audio for the discovery tour shuttle is also finished since it was leaked .

So what are blockers ? why no news on the subject ? how many years after the introduction of Orison will we have to wait to see the space whales on which CIG has been working for 3 years.

Visor UI

Early 2019 when CIG started to rework the visor UI with Building block they said that after the "player status" part the 3 angles of the viewfinder would be reworked during the next 3 quarters, but they just reworked the com part , the right side is still under flash, it's been 3 years, how many years to convert the weapon / ammunition indicator into building lock ?

Helmet holding

Was on the roadmap in 2018, no more information since.

Shop UI

The shopping experience on the terminals is an horror with the same item appearing 15 or 20 times in a different color, why not have it still reworked with Building blocks ?

Missions on ArcCorp

When ArcCorp was introduced almost 3 years ago, CIG told us about a rooftop mission, but nothing since, no more than new "biome" on ArcCorp like water tanks or parks, which had been mentioned , in fact nothing new has been introduced outside the hospital since its release.

Hurston new biome

In an ISC almost 3 years ago Todd papy had mentioned a new biome for Hurston where the weapons were tested, as well as introducing the "vacation house" of the Hurston family and new missions, it seems that all this has been abandoned.

Drink dispenser

When the possibility of drinking and eating was introduced two years ago Todd Papy said that we could use drink dispensers by the next patches, still nothing

Ship customization

On the roadmap the card presenting "cousin crow" on Orison specified that we would have different customization options for our ships, in fact there is nothing new only the usual 2-3 paints which are available everywhere else,

What about personalization as for the 300i ? has that been dropped as well ?

Bounty hunting

Bounty hunting tier 0 is still not ingame, all we have are assassination missions, when will the first version of bounty hunting be introduced ? every year it's planned and every year it's postponed, I'm talking about tracking down, arresting without killing, putting in a stasis cell and delivering the bounty to prison.

Ship armor

It has literally been years since it needs to be introduced but never any concrete info on it

Ship control surface in atmo

There is no aerodynamics, when you cut your engine of a gladius or any ship with wings you fall straight

Fire in ships

What was the point of making it a priority and promoting it for months in your shows to remove it completely ? what happened ?

I'm stopping here because we could go on for hours,

What worries me is that certain things are introduced in tier 0, then completely abandoned for several years, and when CIG decides to return to these features everything must be changed to adapt to the current reality.

We'll never get anywhere like that.

quote:

All of those things have been discussed. They aren't valid concerns.

You clearly are not smart enough to understand game development so I don't want them wasting developers time trying to explain it to you.

And it's not even that-You dont want to understand. You just want to come and act like you know better then CIG.

quote:

Its really pathetic someone who has spent as much money as Shoeii doesnt understand they are still developing it.

Like space fauna, you have to animate everything, have sounds, and even if its there does it have a purpose?

Shoeii doesnt care, shoeii clearly doesnt care at all and is just hear to make obscure complaints.

None of these things have been abandoned. And CIG should not respond to Shoeii because Shoeii is not being professional and intelligent.

None of these things are abandoned.

A room system? Its way to early to be worried about that. Think about all the things that could go wrong if they put that on the live servers.

And the consequences of bugs and such clearly does not matter to anyone.

I really find the White Knight term to be very racist.

Are you a white person? Im a white person.

Also, if your defedning shoeii by assuming anyone who "defends" cig is a white knight, aren't you just name calling, and defending, aren't you the white knight.

I really dont like that when I swear at people like you fire5tar for putting absolutely no effort into their posts, I get banned.

I really feel like swearing at you is a better alternative then confronting you like this. Because this takes so much more energy.

Im just really curious to how you can be so unintelligent as to go around calling people names, but then not swearing, and just saying, "White knight."

You're coward who can't even name call people because you dont want to use vulgarity in some vein attempt at superiority.

In every way and form, you are the White Knight.

The Titanic posted:

I sort of get confused when he implies cig is making an engine, etc.

Cig did not make the engine. They got CryEngine, and the CryTek team built the first demo for CR.

"StarEngine" is just modding and user hacks on an already established and built engine.

The implications that he has some kind of insider information on the current completion of various pieces of game like sq404 is also bonkers. Though whatever, you do you, strange person.

Mirificus posted:

FishMcCool posted:

Remember when OCS SSOCS AWS Lumberyard Vulkan Server Meshing was going to fix everything?

Mirificus posted:

Rotten Red Rod posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQ0GV76PdYo