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Testekill posted:https://twitter.com/RealBShannon3/status/1492622824342757377 He's not wrong but not for the reasons he thinks.
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ShallNoiseUpon posted:Does Mike Kurtz have heat with The Rock This is his secret to reveal in his own time
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When Kenny Omega, one of the biggest wrestlers in the world, held the TNA belt for 110 days, that was just him killing the company the fact that Christian beat Kenny for the belt was just killing the company even more. Wait what do you mean Christian was in the first TNA championship match
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Testekill posted:https://twitter.com/RealBShannon3/status/1492622824342757377 This isn't actually a new genre, unsurprisingly
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I have bought exactly 3 TNA DVDs and 1 Hernandez shirt in my life, and I have no doubt I've supported them more by doing that than the majority of the people complaining
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Testekill posted:https://twitter.com/RealBShannon3/status/1492622824342757377 "You SAY you want an alternative for this moldy microwave hamburger, but didn't eat literal poo poo, so obviously you're just complaining for complaining's sake!" Now ROH, on the other hand. In retrospect I absolutely wish I'd watched ROH when they were new and hot, but they just came too soon. Buying DVDs from some American company back in the day was a lot less feasible than paying for a streaming service these days.
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Shaman Tank Spec posted:"You SAY you want an alternative for this moldy microwave hamburger, but didn't eat literal poo poo, so obviously you're just complaining for complaining's sake!" I watched a fair bit of TNA around 2005-2007 or so, as well as when they shifted to the Impact branding in the brief period where Hogan hadn't yet arrived to suck up all the available oxygen in the early 2010s, and a fair bit of pre-Sinclair ROH around the early 2010s as well. There's very valid reasons why people weren't watching these supposed "alternatives" to WWE at the time.
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TNA's viewership was so consistent for years no matter what they did that 1.1 was a running joke, but the product was so maddeningly inconsistent that it never converted into actual buy rates. The market for a WWE alternative was always there, there just wasn't anyone with a combination of money and connections and booking acumen to come along until AEW started.
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it's no surprise no AEW fans or people within the company actually use the word "alternative" at all. that line got run into the ground so much back when wwe was sort of ok that it was a joke 5+ years before AEW even existed. maybe people used to want "an alternative to wwe", but that's not relevant anymore. people want something that's pretty good in the first place. people don't think "i want an alternative for arby's", they want good food from somewhere. the lovely food place does not factor in
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eh, I think the consistency of how often you get good stuff from somewhere is important. impact had and has worthwhile matches, it's just that you couldn't bank on having a decent time week to week like you can with aew
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Yeah that's the problem with TNA, they had some good matches but anywhere from 50-90% of the average show or PPV was in the range of boring or heatless to absolute loving garbage. It's really not a viable formula to have your viewer try to sift through the mountain of flaming trash to find some nuggets of gold. Look at current WWE for a similar example.
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TNA had all the good will in the world from wrestling fans desperate for something different from WWE, and they kept hiring back Russo. They had so many chances to be the alternative, and they hosed up every single one.
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Gonzo McFee posted:TNA had all the good will in the world from wrestling fans desperate for something different from WWE, and they kept hiring back Russo. They had so many chances to be the alternative, and they hosed up every single one. And Jarrett Jarrett was so loving awful
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I watched a lot of TNA from 05-08 and was never tempted to buy a PPV even though there was stuff I was into. Some friends and I would get super stoned and watch it most weeks, maybe we should've saved that for a few years later.
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Some guy posted a big list of their talent in that convo to prove TNA was an alternative, but yeah, he left out it was booked by Russo for a long while.
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They had Samoa Joe and the had him lose to Tomko and paint a dick on his face.
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They also had a tendency of portraying Joe as the whiniest bitch that ever wrestled, at least when they weren't too busy having him abducted by ninjas.
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i check out the impact plutotv channel pretty often and like, i saw a styles-daniels match this weekend that was sick as hell but also they were running "greatest matches: kevin nash" yesterday so swings and roundabouts
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I like the underlying point to Shannon's rant: AEW fans only like AEW to be mean jerks.
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ShallNoiseUpon posted:Does Mike Kurtz have heat with The Rock It seems highly probable, I reached out to The Rock for comment and not only did he give no answer, he didn't even acknowledge he'd gotten my message at all - there is no other possible explanation but that I am on to something extremely legitimate and real.
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Saucer Crab posted:TNA's viewership was so consistent for years no matter what they did that 1.1 was a running joke, but the product was so maddeningly inconsistent that it never converted into actual buy rates. The market for a WWE alternative was always there, there just wasn't anyone with a combination of money and connections and booking acumen to come along until AEW started. TNA actively discouraged you from paying to see them under Carter. The booking was always to have the PPVs be inconclusive and the big stuff to happen on Impact.
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Cavauro posted:it's no surprise no AEW fans or people within the company actually use the word "alternative" at all. that line got run into the ground so much back when wwe was sort of ok that it was a joke 5+ years before AEW even existed. maybe people used to want "an alternative to wwe", but that's not relevant anymore. people want something that's pretty good in the first place. people don't think "i want an alternative for arby's", they want good food from somewhere. the lovely food place does not factor in It's also hard to market yourself as an alternative to WWE when you have a reputation for going dumpster diving for talent in Stamford.
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Maxwell Lord posted:TNA actively discouraged you from paying to see them under Carter. The booking was always to have the PPVs be inconclusive and the big stuff to happen on Impact. This is what will happen to the WWE within the next five years as the TV deals come up
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ShallNoiseUpon posted:Does Mike Kurtz have heat with The Rock https://twitter.com/mkurtz91/status/678222327989964801 https://twitter.com/mkurtz91/status/681588158769725444
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This is fresh Kurtzlore and I'm here for it. Fascinating.
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Kurtz WWE shares took a massive dive when Rocky left in 04.
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Venomous posted:This is what will happen to the WWE within the next five years as the TV deals come up Lol the Rumble opened with a DQ title match, it’s already happening.
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Bill Shannon conveniently ignores that everyone who wanted an alternative in recent years was watching New Japan, which is why AEW started on the backs of talent who got over in NJPW. More people would probably still be watching New Japan if some of the booking hadn't gone the way of TNA
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ROH was primed to be that alternative and did nothing, fumbled every conceivable ball, an absolute comedy of errors, neglect, and incompetence, and only somewhat rectified things during COVID when recovery was nigh impossible.
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Gonzo McFee posted:They had Samoa Joe and the had him lose to Tomko and paint a dick on his face. They had Kazuchika Okada and the most they could think to do with him was make him a Kato ripoff.
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Davros1 posted:https://twitter.com/ringsidenews_/status/1493395993290842112?s=20&t=B00H07wbGOfdZa_24SjyzA I want to run every single person involved in this tweet over with a steam roller
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Davros1 posted:https://twitter.com/ringsidenews_/status/1493395993290842112?s=20&t=B00H07wbGOfdZa_24SjyzA Engagement is engagement, I guess.
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You don't know what those words mean
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"Forbidden Door" is gonna be the new "Pipe Bomb" where everyone just throws it out all the time even when it makes no goddamn sense to use that term
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Drakkel posted:"Forbidden Door" is gonna be the new "Pipe Bomb" where everyone just throws it out all the time even when it makes no goddamn sense to use that term maybe on the socials, but Tony was smart enough to trademark the term, so WWE can kick sand.
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Jonny Nox posted:maybe on the socials, but Tony was smart enough to trademark the term, so WWE can kick sand. "THE UNLAWFUL HOLE IN THE WALL!"
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Jonny Nox posted:maybe on the socials, but Tony was smart enough to trademark the term, so WWE can kick sand. Tony worked himself into scrambling to book Jay White because he used the term when it made no goddam sense to.
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Drakkel posted:"THE UNLAWFUL HOLE IN THE WALL!" The Big Dogfart
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