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Prequel dialogue >>>>>>>> anything disney has done
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The idea of a bunch of cutthroat rebel commandos hot dropping into imperial strongholds to murk everybody in insanely, collateral damagey fashion is good. Its too bad Carrano hosed up - that would be a fun short series. 6 episodes of just star wars ripping off The Raid or Dirty Dozen or whatever,.
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Feb 15, 2022 18:34
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Just get literally anyone else to do it. Isn't Michelle Rodriguez available?
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Feb 15, 2022 18:36
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Haha just say "hey look everyone it's cara dune" and then it's just some other person who can actually act. They could have done this with Luke too of course. The pseudo-religious tradcath vibe has always been there, but disney is really running with it. Made the dusty old blue lightsaber into a holy relic and the falcon into a pilgrimage site. Now mark hamill's dead skin mask is stretched over a puppet like a bejeweled martyr 
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Feb 15, 2022 18:51
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Sith #1 Recruitment Tool: "the Jedi took you away from your parents and siblings" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2j-fpQgGQM
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Feb 15, 2022 19:20
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Ah. Well, nevertheless,
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Feb 15, 2022 19:25
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Jerkface posted:The idea of a bunch of cutthroat rebel commandos hot dropping into imperial strongholds to murk everybody in insanely, collateral damagey fashion is good. Its too bad Carrano hosed up - that would be a fun short series. 6 episodes of just star wars ripping off The Raid or Dirty Dozen or whatever,. I mentioned this in TVIV, but I had the rather unrealistic hope that the Book of Boba Fett was going to be "Goodfellas in Space" with a lot of nasty criminals killing each other in inventive and sneaky ways, It would tie in to Boba's path as a former bounty hunter looking to step up in the world and also tell us more about how the underworld would operate in the shadow of the Empire. Looking back on it, I forgot how this was a Disney+ show with a large children's audience. I didn't mind it and I enjoyed certain moments, but it felt like a wasted opportunity. (Like many Star Wars properties.) Star Wars riffs on other genres could be fun. Rogue One had some spy movie elements and it would neat to see a sabotage thriller... but in space!
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Feb 15, 2022 19:30
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Gonz posted:Everybody is gonna go wild once Plo Koon shows up, having miraculously survived being exploded. I wouldn't put it past Lucas to have it been part of the sale to Disney that Plo couldn't come back, just to gently caress with Dave.
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Feb 15, 2022 21:18
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Sam Jackson coming back in Obi seems too obvious but I'm not sure if "too obvious" exists any more
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Feb 15, 2022 22:21
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The Disney Star Wars shows peaked right at the beginning with the space flute, it’s been diminishing returns since.
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Feb 15, 2022 22:38
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ruddiger posted:The Disney Star Wars shows peaked right at the beginning with the space flute, it’s been diminishing returns since. That was Prometheus.
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Feb 15, 2022 23:17
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In space no one can hear you toot
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Feb 15, 2022 23:47
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Eric Cantonese posted:I mentioned this in TVIV, but I had the rather unrealistic hope that the Book of Boba Fett was going to be "Goodfellas in Space" with a lot of nasty criminals killing each other in inventive and sneaky ways, It would tie in to Boba's path as a former bounty hunter looking to step up in the world and also tell us more about how the underworld would operate in the shadow of the Empire. Looking back on it, I forgot how this was a Disney+ show with a large children's audience. The Boba show is a narrative trash-fire on par with Episode 9 and Solo. Child-friendliness has nothing to do with it; it’s edited like poo poo and reeks of massive production troubles. Knowing that it started pre-production as a feature film explains a good chunk of it, but not everything.
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Feb 16, 2022 01:09
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The worst thing to happen to The Mandalorian was to become the standard bearer after the sequel trilogy crashed and burned. It was like when Homer had his own cake to ruin.
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Feb 16, 2022 06:59
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Ghost Leviathan posted:The worst thing to happen to The Mandalorian was to become the standard bearer after the sequel trilogy crashed and burned. It was like when Homer had his own cake to ruin. Mandalorian is a lot like DS9 in how it was allowed to be good because the execs were all busy ruining something else (The ST/Voyager) that they forgot about it.
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Feb 16, 2022 07:30
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Ghost Leviathan posted:The worst thing to happen to The Mandalorian was to become the standard bearer after the sequel trilogy crashed and burned. It was like when Homer had his own cake to ruin. I don't think there's that much of a sharp division; I expected a big shift in quality from word-of-mouth, but Season 1 and Season 2 are both generally "aight". The actual trouble begins with Boba Book - which very, very obviously began production as a Yojimbo narrative where a vengeful Boba plays a fool to trick all the gangsters of Tatooine into killing eachother. Disney edited out the 'vengeful trickster' part so that Boba is just a clumsy-but-benevolent feudal lord who beats drugs through the power of friendship. It's exactly the same as how they edited the jokes out of Solo - but worsened by the decision to extend the runtime by grafting on a Mandalorian plotline with zero relevance to the actual narrative. SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 19:13 on Feb 16, 2022 |
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Feb 16, 2022 19:10
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https://twitter.com/michael_j_conte/status/1493773598657429509?s=20&t=75tt097lKr7bfXDwbXnMxQ
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Feb 17, 2022 08:43
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:I don't think there's that much of a sharp division; I expected a big shift in quality from word-of-mouth, but Season 1 and Season 2 are both generally "aight". Yeah, I imagine S2 was completed or at least already being made by the time TRoS was crashing and burning. Had a feeling that now they've got nothing else to distract them Disney's suits are going to descend on the one thing that people like and begin throwing their poo poo at it presuming they can Make It Better.
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Feb 17, 2022 09:26
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Mando S2 was released a year after TRoS, plenty of time for meddling
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Feb 17, 2022 10:20
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Yeah, I imagine S2 was completed or at least already being made by the time TRoS was crashing and burning. Had a feeling that now they've got nothing else to distract them Disney's suits are going to descend on the one thing that people like and begin throwing their poo poo at it presuming they can Make It Better. People generally liked Rogue One too. Obviously not as much as Mando and it definitely has some haters with legit criticisms, but it was more or less well received. Though since the ST hadn’t crashed and burned yet, it didn’t have that “Star Wars is good again” cultural moment. So Disney didn’t know they would soon desperately need non-sequel content to hawk.
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Feb 17, 2022 10:34
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Does anyone actually like the Amy Sedaris character? She is grating. She is terrible. She seems to be self-aware she is in a Star Wars movie but not in a good way. I have never once laughed at her lines. She is less funny than a barely animate puppet. She reminds me of a family guy joke. The Boba show is pretty bad but everytime I saw Poochy Sedaris I was just wishing anyone else was on screen. Who was the Boba show for? It was interesting in that Star Wars is often so ridiculously hugely scaled but Boba's criminal empire is 2 orcs and a couple troubled teens. They don't actually do any crime stuff like selling drugs or assassinations. The most laughable part of the show (there were lots) was when Boba's sidekick told the infamous gun for hire that they could use money to hire guns as if it was a revelation. Then they go and try to hire some farmers? Did we not drive into our loving heads that Mos Eisely is a hive of scum blah blah blah and there should be loads of interesting greasy gangster aliens to hire. Did not a war just end and there should be fuckloads of unemployed mercenaries and ex-soldiers everywhere? No. We shall take over the city with farmers and lame teens. Mr. Grapes! fucked around with this message at 13:44 on Feb 17, 2022 |
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Feb 17, 2022 13:40
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Are you talking from the mandalorian ?
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Feb 17, 2022 13:41
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euphronius posted:Are you talking from the mandalorian ? She is in both Mandalorian and Boba show, but I suppose she is much more annoying in the Boba show because we see her more often, or maybe because the rest of the show is also bad so she just adds to the bad soup. In the Mandalorian she doesn't show up too often and thankfully disappears quickly.
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Feb 17, 2022 13:46
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Yeah I didn’t watch boba after the first episode which was dire. I can see her character wearing thin past them supporting character role in Mando
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Feb 17, 2022 13:48
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I like that she IS a character, which is more than I can say for Cara Dune, Fennec, most of the other Mandalorians on the show, the Mods, pretty much anyone else in BoBF, etc. The bar is reaaaallly low on these shows for characters who have anything more to them than a costume and a scowl. Sure, Sedaris may be a bit goofy, but she feels like she fits right in with the other goofy characters in the series.
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Feb 17, 2022 13:58
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Her worst bit was the unnecessary comedy during Mando's fight with the Rancor.
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Feb 17, 2022 14:25
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I think the character itself is fine (not funny but fine) - the problem for me is the performance. She plays like a pantomime sidekick or something from a theme park ride, there's nothing convincing about it at all.
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Feb 17, 2022 14:29
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Mr. Grapes! posted:Does anyone actually like the Amy Sedaris character? I agree
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Feb 17, 2022 14:30
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Mr. Grapes! posted:Does anyone actually like the Amy Sedaris character? Sounds like Disney is reluctant on letting Boba Fett be the dangerous Bounty Hunter everything else built him up to be. I've only just met Cara Dune, but other than her introduction (which involved Mando forgetting he was a seasoned bounty hunter so she could get the jump on him), she was fine.
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Feb 17, 2022 14:39
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Her worst bit was the unnecessary comedy during Mando's fight with the Rancor. Admittedly, I was mashing "skip ahead" for most of that episode, and especially that fight. e: Also, rewatched the AotC Jango fight scene after BoBF ended. Could not have been more of a contrast to anything Boba did in the show with the same weapons, armor, and I suppose DNA. I'm not somebody who has a big built-up headcanon around Boba Fett being the ultimate badass, but yeesh. feedmyleg fucked around with this message at 14:55 on Feb 17, 2022 |
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Feb 17, 2022 14:49
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Darth TNT posted:Sounds like Disney is reluctant on letting Boba Fett be the dangerous Bounty Hunter everything else built him up to be. Amusingly reminded of how Nintendo was weirded out when Retro wanted to have Samus actually hunt bounties in a Metroid game. Clearly worth waiting to see what else they were making while Boba Fett was the second cake for Disney execs to ruin.
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Feb 17, 2022 15:13
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Amusingly reminded of how Nintendo was weirded out when Retro wanted to have Samus actually hunt bounties in a Metroid game. To me the problem is this: if they wanted to tell the story they told, it didn't need to be Boba Fett, it could be a new character. It could be Cobb Vanth. It could have been the fat rancor trainer. It doesn't matter. But to take Boba Fett, who we've already seen as a cool-headed operator in the Mandolorian (not just nonsense headcanon), and then make a story about him going straight and soft, it just doesn't make sense and screams of Disney using whatever "cool" characters they can.
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Feb 17, 2022 15:51
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Darth TNT posted:Sounds like Disney is reluctant on letting Boba Fett be the dangerous Bounty Hunter everything else built him up to be. I know it's a kids show but Boba doing so little himself really did stun me. The show obviously had some problems because of how janky it is but it did give the vibe of like it maybe originally being made to have him do more and then Disney Creative or whoever being like no wait Boba's a good guy now why would he hurt people and trying to make that fit at the last second
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Feb 17, 2022 15:52
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Pook Good Mook posted:It could be Cobb Vanth That... could actually have worked really well. As far as I know he was one of the more popular Mando side characters, and the plot beats would feel a lot more natural coming from him. You'd just need an excuse to get him to Mos Espa, and presumably he'd be there to dismantle the crime ring rather than 'lead' it. Hell Boba could have been the antagonist, having taken over Jabba's crew and wanting to cling on to his scrap of power while Cobb tries to bring him down. That would have been much more interesting than the loving Pyke syndicate.
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Feb 17, 2022 16:24
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stev posted:That... could actually have worked really well. As far as I know he was one of the more popular Mando side characters, and the plot beats would feel a lot more natural coming from him. You'd just need an excuse to get him to Mos Espa, and presumably he'd be there to dismantle the crime ring rather than 'lead' it. Hell Boba could have been the antagonist, having taken over Jabba's crew and wanting to cling on to his scrap of power while Cobb tries to bring him down. That would have been much more interesting than the loving Pyke syndicate. Yeowch. That's so vastly better than what we got that it bummed me out.
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Feb 17, 2022 16:29
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I don't mind Amy Sedaris' character, but I just like Amy Sedaris. I think she's supposed to be a little bit irritating, not that it's a good idea to make intentionally irritating characters. I saw her as the opposite of Mando, since he's quiet and strong while she won't shut the gently caress up and is sorta frail.
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Feb 17, 2022 17:22
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Neo Rasa posted:it did give the vibe of like it maybe originally being made to have him do more and then Disney Creative or whoever being like no wait Boba's a good guy now why would he hurt people and trying to make that fit at the last second. A really huge issue is that events are presented in the 'wrong' order. Cad Bane is the actual antagonist of the show, but he's introduced in episode 4.5 out of five (if you ignore the gratuitous baby yoda stuff). Boba announced his intention to take the throne in a postcredits teaser before the show even begins, but is only given official ownership of the castle by Jabba's relatives in episode 3 of five. He then only sits down to talk with all the various gangs about forming an alliance in episode 4 of five. So here's the issue: this is all first-act stuff! The narrative should go like: -Boba kills Bib Fortuna and announces that he wants to run Jabba's old territory. -Jabba's family is like "yeah good luck with that", then abandons the planet because they're scared of something. -Boba sits down and negotiates an alliance with the existing gangs. -Cad Bane shows up and starts murdering people. Then you have a slowly escalating conflict with the fishmen in act 2, followed by an act 3 reveal: Boba's plan, all along, was not to secure a territory but to obliterate all the gangsters as revenge for the death of his family. A side-effect of loving up this narrative structure is that events that ought to be taking place over maybe a few days end up seeming like months have passed. So it looks like Boba's been running a whole criminal empire, for nearly a year, with only like three dudes - and no crimes. SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 17:31 on Feb 17, 2022 |
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Feb 17, 2022 17:23
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There was just too much time wasted in those first two episodes because they needed that Boba in the desert story to justify why he's changed as a character. Basically an entire episode(i.e. half of each of the first two episodes) was dedicated to that and it's time that could've been very valuable for giving the actual main story room to breathe a little bit.
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Feb 17, 2022 17:30
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Basebf555 posted:There was just too much time wasted in those first two episodes because they needed that Boba in the desert story to justify why he's changed as a character. Basically an entire episode(i.e. half of each of the first two episodes) was dedicated to that and it's time that could've been very valuable for giving the actual main story room to breathe a little bit. It's more than that; in restructuring things so that the narrative is frontloaded with flashbacks, Disney eliminated the mystery element. The proper way to tell the story is to have Boba show up like a 'badass', and then appear increasingly 'in over his head' as the story progresses. Has he 'gone soft'? Throw in a few flashbacks to show that maybe he's changed too much. Then you have the reveal that, no, he's just gonna murder everyone. On top of just being less narratively satisfying, the show has a very blatant ideological problem: the hero is literally a feudal lord who openly announces his intention to collect tithes. Fans scoffed when I described Disney's Resistance as neo-feudal, and now: lol. SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 17:54 on Feb 17, 2022 |
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My understanding is boba is in the main an aspiring boomer landlord who wants to complain to the manager of crime. So yeah feudalism is as apt a match as any
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