Real hurthling! posted:

birthrates fall on their own via other means that are more positive for society and less incendiary than like enforcing sterilization on couples that wont comply with your policy or whatever stick you would have to come up with.

Marenghi posted:

Jordan Peterson made this point on solving climate change. Birthrates fall as wealth increases so using capitalism to lift all of the third world to middle class standards would cause their birth rates to fall and self correct emissions from over population.

Just ignoring the big elephant that wealthier people emit vastly more than third worlders.

I think the most positive way of reducing emissions from population would be to stop the top 1% polluting so much. Reduce the demand for megayachts and private jets by reducing the rich.
Whether by finger snapping them away, or their wealth.

SKULL.GIF posted:

don't worry bro we'll get to 15 billion people some miracle technology will be discovered bro we can do it bro we can get All Time Number a record that will never ever be beaten ever bro

Unless posted:

someone plz help me with my ghg budget I dunno what to do

Charlatan Eschaton posted:

rainwater saucers getting occasional business

Real hurthling! posted:

what? farming a poo poo load of land with fertilizers and vehicles and then doing an assload of industrial chemistry to make ethanol isnt good for the environment? really?
https://www.reuters.com/business/environment/us-corn-based-ethanol-worse-climate-than-gasoline-study-finds-2022-02-14/

Rime posted:

Thread Meetup:

March 5th, Vancouver, BC. Likely Vanier Park or wherever it is legal to drink these days, weather dependent.

Come play classic games like guess who is working for CSIS and update my goons.txt with fresh photos + discuss the impending end of our species.

Rime posted:

Thread Meetup:

March 5th, Vancouver, BC. Likely Vanier Park or wherever it is legal to drink these days, weather dependent.

Come play classic games like guess who is working for CSIS and update my goons.txt with fresh photos + discuss the impending end of our species.

Rime posted:

Thread Meetup:

March 5th, Vancouver, BC. Likely Vanier Park or wherever it is legal to drink these days, weather dependent.

Come play classic games like guess who is working for CSIS and update my goons.txt with fresh photos + discuss the impending end of our species.

skooma512 posted:

Birthrates fall when your society becomes more wealthy, but being wealthy necessarily results in more carbon emissios.

Xaris posted:

this is kinda wrong. there are elements, yes, but the primary driver of falling birth rates is massive starkly visible inequalities under capitalism with generally massive hopeless class that are also academically educated enough to realize their stature and given into a work-to-live fiat grindy life that needs more and more work each year in perpetual stagnantion-to-decline

if we could give everyone free single family dwelling housing, 3-day work weeks, universal child and health care, living ubi, birth rates would absolutely go up. and we should do those things (we won't). therefore saying that society wealth = lower birthrates isn't correct. it's increasing unequal immiseration under alienated capitalistic societies that also relies on education as a backbone for good little productive bees.

Xaris posted:

case in point: that’s basically what happened in post war America. immense wealth flowing in, free bountiful housing, little want or worry about education or health care, and rates exploded and rates didn’t decline until capitalism started to claw back profits to the elite and started sucking the wealth out of society

Charlatan Eschaton posted:

rainwater saucers getting occasional business

The Wisest Moron posted:

One. Billion. Americans.

Marenghi posted:

Jordan Peterson made this point on solving climate change. Birthrates fall as wealth increases so using capitalism to lift all of the third world to middle class standards would cause their birth rates to fall and self correct emissions from over population.

Car Hater posted:

*annual post about how they can't have the Great Lakes' water*

Car Hater posted:

*annual post about how they can't have the Great Lakes' water*

quote:

Drought crisis puts Horn of Africa ‘on the brink of catastrophe’
The drought in the Horn of Africa could be catastrophic for people and livestock.

In a region where livestock and agriculture are the mainstays of people’s lives, droughts in the Horn of Africa have wrought havoc as more than 1.5 million heads of cattle died and cereal production nosedived drastically.

Speaking at a virtual news conference on Monday after a visit to the region, Food and Agriculture Organization Director of Emergencies and Resilience Rein Paulsen told reporters that a “very small window” exists for taking urgent action.

“We are most definitely now sitting on the brink of catastrophe,” said Paulsen, adding that the agency had put out a call for millions in funding it needs until June this year to support their work in the region, which includes parts of Somalia, Ethiopia, and Kenya, such as providing urgent fodder and water to keep livestock alive.

It remains to be seen whether the region will receive adequate rain between March and May, after “extremely poor” short rains that came between October and December last year – the third consecutive failed rainy season with lower average rains, a worrying concern for vulnerable households.

The result of the drought meant that overall cereal production for the last rainy season in southern Somalia was estimated to be 58 percent lower than the long-term average, Paulsen said. In agricultural areas in marginal coastal zones in southeastern parts of Kenya, “we’re looking at crop production estimated to be 70 percent below average”, he said.

In addition, most water sources that have usually been resilient to climate variability have dried up in Kenya, he said.

T-Paine posted:

"In addition, most water sources that have usually been resilient to climate variability have dried up in Kenya, he said."

Marenghi posted:

Jordan Peterson made this point on solving climate change. Birthrates fall as wealth increases so using capitalism to lift all of the third world to middle class standards would cause their birth rates to fall and self correct emissions from over population.

Just ignoring the big elephant that wealthier people emit vastly more than third worlders.

I think the most positive way of reducing emissions from population would be to stop the top 1% polluting so much. Reduce the demand for megayachts and private jets by reducing the rich.
Whether by finger snapping them away, or their wealth.

Ruggan posted:

ah yes, make everybody upper middle class, but make sure they don’t have good time off benefits

T-Paine posted:

Say it with me now

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/drought-west-climate-change-worst-1200-years/

Study finds 42% of megadrought in West is due to human-caused climate change: "Worst-case scenario keeps getting worse"

quote:

Why are you showing predictions on warming when the conversation was about sea level rise?

Is this what they call moving the goal posts.

Basic Poster posted:

I can't really sort out what you're saying here but, sounds dumb.

Like, reducing the 1% to upper middle class status, and private jets and mega yachts are a "good time off benefit"? Is that the take?

Teriyaki Hairpiece posted: