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skasion posted:Are the fighting Uruk-hai still part men in the movies? I thought they were just designed slime beasts Gandalf has a line about Saruman cross breeding orcs with goblin-men. So I’d say yes.
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The other option besides menu could have been “card” or “bill” but those are also both based on Latin or Greek
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Feb 15, 2022 17:27
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euphronius posted:Two flung themselves to the ground at Éomer’s heels, tripped him, and in a moment they were on top of him. But a small dark figure that none had observed sprang out of the shadows and gave a hoarse shout: Baruk Khazâd! Khazâd ai-mênu! lol
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Feb 15, 2022 17:29
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Do you guys think Frodo is a good tipper? I personally think he wouldn't be. He's a little money conscious when he thinks Aragorn is trying to swindle him
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Feb 15, 2022 17:39
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So I skimmed the appendices last night after they confirmed that they only have the rights to the LOTR books and the Hobbit and there’s a surprising amount they could include from the Silmarillion. The beginning of Appendix A has a pretty broad rundown of the end of the First age, silmarils, Morgoth, Beren & Luthien, Earendil, etc. Later on in the appendix is a detailed timeline of the Second Age as well. I imagine that timeline is the major source of the main plot points for the new series. But there’s enough about the end of the First Age in there to build a nice prologue to set up the state of the world in the Second Age.
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Feb 15, 2022 17:48
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Also, since I’ve heard this name spoken more in the last week than ever before and pronounced in two different way, I’m curious if Gil-Galad is pronounced gil GAL id or gil guh LAD I’ve always leaned toward the second, since it was closer to Gilgamesh which I felt like Tolkien would do. But I’ve heard it pronounced the first way in quite a few videos over the last week or so.
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Feb 15, 2022 18:14
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In the audiobook read by Rob Inglis, he pronounces it gill-GAL-uhd
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Feb 15, 2022 18:16
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I've always pronounced it with the stress on the first syllable, not the second or third. If it follows the pattern for Galadriel then I'd imagine the stress is on the third syllable.
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Feb 15, 2022 18:16
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Going by poetry rhythm it's usually assumed it goes: gil-GAL-ad WAS an ELven KING But when I first read it I never read the song as iambic poetry with such a strict syllabic beat; to me it sounded like it was supposed to have more of a pop-music rhythm, like: GIL gah-LAD wazzun ELven KING This is part of why I think most poetry analysis is bunk, look at the lyrics of any pop song and half of the words are being stretched across multiple beats or crushed together in rapid patter to fit the music. Getting all worked up about whether something is iambic or trochaic when those are basically identical concepts anyway (just depending on which syllable you think is "first" in a line) seems ludicrous when there's this whole other world of rhythmic analysis to get lost in
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Feb 15, 2022 18:19
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahz-GoRkV3Y
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Feb 15, 2022 18:23
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Wait they paid like a billion dollars for literally only appendix rights, they don't even have the silmarillion rights? Holy lols And by holy lols I mean I hope there was a clause in the contract requiring 100% consistency with catholic theology for the whole series
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Feb 15, 2022 18:24
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Silmarillion rights has never been sold for tv/video iirc.
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Feb 15, 2022 18:25
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TipTow posted:I've always pronounced it with the stress on the first syllable, not the second or third. Actually I kinda made a mistake. In the second pronunciation I should’ve written GIL guh LAD because that is kind of how I’ve pronounced it. (Like I said, like Gilgamesh) But based on some other posts I’m thinking that’s wrong now.
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Feb 15, 2022 18:29
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https://twitter.com/theoneringnet/status/1493637846208376833?s=20&t=KyR-Up5zLm8cdFxNycE9sQ
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skasion posted:Ancient Romans had restaurants/outdoor lunch counters, because not everyone in the big cities had their own kitchen. Those freaking Romans did it again.
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Feb 15, 2022 20:39
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Here it is actually being sung (by Bill Nighy): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWBecwqNGkM
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That's pretty. Bill Nighy is not who I imagine Sam sounding like when he sings, though. Rob Inglis is a lot closer, even if he's not "singing".
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Feb 15, 2022 23:22
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At the risk of not being able to leave well enough aloneChubbyChecker posted:and orc menus ... quote:'Let the fighting Uruk-hai do the work, as usual.' This is pure 1916, and would have been very recognisable to the generation who fought the next war. A lot of how the orcs talk and act is inspired by the parts of soldiering that Tolkien hated. He wasn't above a little anachronism.
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Trin Tragula posted:At the risk of not being able to leave well enough alone Yeah, I could be wrong but I think there are things we'd recognize as menus that got dug up at Pompeii.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Yeah, I could be wrong but I think there are things we'd recognize as menus that got dug up at Pompeii. That's how I interpret the paintings on the street-food counters there 
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Feb 16, 2022 01:56
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I'll have the inverted goose with large herbs and a side of collared dog (that is an incredible picture though. What's the deal with those... pots sunk into the bench?)
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Feb 16, 2022 02:08
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glad there's no little pot by the dog paintingTree Bucket posted:I'll have the inverted goose with large herbs and a side of collared dog I believe the theory is that there'd be pots of each food by each picture (chicken, duck, etc.) and you'd pay so much a bowl for hot takeaway.
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Tree Bucket posted:I'll have the inverted goose with large herbs and a side of collared dog That’s where shits cooking, there would have been fires underneath the counter to heat the pot.
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Feb 16, 2022 02:17
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In ancient Roman cities that were densely populated, the poor people livied in large tenements called insulae. Most of these would not have had space for kitchens in each home, especially since that adds yo fire risk. As a result, those people relied on either street vendors like this, or communal kitchens to do their cooking. This continues into other areas were things like baking were still done communally as a properly sized oven was a pain in the rear end for everyone to have.
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Feb 16, 2022 02:31
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Here's one of the articles that's from FYI: https://people.com/food/ancient-fast-food-restaurant-to-open-up-to-visitors-in-pompeii-this-summer/
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Data Graham posted:Here's one of the articles that's from FYI: Yeaaaahhh can I get uhhhh a large salty fish with coarse bread and a beano-vino, and a Gladiator Meal with watered-down beano-vino for my kid? And don't spare the garum
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Phy posted:Yeaaaahhh can I get uhhhh a large salty fish with coarse bread and a beano-vino, and a Gladiator Meal with watered-down beano-vino for my kid? And don't spare the garum what i love about roman history is that's pretty much accurate, right down to gladiators doing endorsements
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Uhhhhh my kid already got the Retiarius toy in his felix farinum, can we swap that out for the Secutor? That's the blue guy
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Tree Bucket posted:Uhhhhh my kid already got the Retiarius toy in his felix farinum, can we swap that out for the Secutor? That's the blue guy https://imgur.com/gallery/J8ePb3x literally 
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WoodrowSkillson posted:what i love about roman history is that's pretty much accurate, right down to gladiators doing endorsements Oh yeah my words were not hastily chosen (ok they were a little, I wanted to go back and edit "my kid" to "little Secundus here" but I'd passed the ninja-edit threshold and I didn't want to look like a tryhard)
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Zopotantor posted:Here it is actually being sung (by Bill Nighy): This image is in the slideshow from that video. Would anyone happen to know the source/artist? I think it looks neat and reminds me of some of the art you see on tarot cards. 
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WoodrowSkillson posted:what i love about roman history is that's pretty much accurate, right down to gladiators doing endorsements Yeah, and how like if you look at the interior corridors of the Colosseum, it's obvious that it's full of food stalls and shops selling logo gear and probably those big foam hands
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Data Graham posted:Yeah, and how like if you look at the interior corridors of the Colosseum, it's obvious that it's full of food stalls and shops selling logo gear and probably those big foam hands the romans called them xylospongiums
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A civlised greek-speaker would call it a cheirospongon I consulted the scriptures to work this out
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They do have of course Inns in the LOtR which is of course another Roman heritage thing. But at least inn is Germanic
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Yeah I guess in this thread we need to talk about the coliseum in *Gondor* There is a long running ancient history thread for those interested in such: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3486446&pagenumber=1134&perpage=40
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Lol two of my bookmarked threads with different topics becoming indistinguishable To try to actually synthesize the topics, and I'm sure this is not in any way original analysis, but to me the Arnor/Gondor split, the fall of Arnor in the west, and Gondor near-constantly fighting off the wicked men of the south and east gave off extremely strong "history of the Roman Empire" vibes. Going even further with the splintering of Arnor into the three kingdoms, Minas Tirith as Constantinople, etc. etc. It's always seemed a little too on-the-nose to not have been deliberate. gently caress, I mean, Mordor is shaped like Anatolia, and the Morannon right where the Turkish straits would be.
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Yeah, the travel through middle earth is basically a trip backwards through English history, starting in the quaint Regency, moving back through Elrond'd high medieval House, then the dark ages of Moria, weird Celtic elves, Saxon Rohirrim, and Minas Tirith as Roman Britain on the verge of fall.
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drat. How obvious should that have been my whole life. e: That too
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TipTow posted:Lol two of my bookmarked threads with different topics becoming indistinguishable I think you'll find Mordor is actually a dead ringer for Ohio.
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