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Chemtrailologist
Jul 8, 2007
Wouldn't mind a series covering the Badab War. A lot of different chapters and people that they can use.

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bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost
no spess mehrines, no books

the black library is lossmaking and is an insanely long and high-effort ad for the minifigs. 15 usd for a book, 60 for a primaris squad

Coquito Ergo Sum
Feb 9, 2021

I'm halfway through Dragonslayer in the G&F series. These books are such dumb fun and the audiobook narrator is incredible.

OPAONI
Jul 23, 2021

bob dobbs is dead posted:

the black library is lossmaking

citation needed

D-Pad
Jun 28, 2006

The last siege book is being written by Abnett and split into two volumes because it is so big. There is at least one more, possibly two, novellas left as well. So we still have a while to get through the siege. I hope they do the scouring but I'm not getting my hopes up. They seem to want Dawn of Fire to be their next big series. Maybe now that some of their better authors are done with the siege they can bring the standards up on DoF.

What I really would like is a look at what happened on Mars during the siege and especially the campaign to take it back after the Traitors lost.

And Black Library is absolutely profitable for them. It's a drop in the bucket compared to their main business but it's not a lossleader.

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost
https://investor.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/2019-20-Press-statement-1.pdf

the trade breakout is 2.4 million gbp income. royalty payouts in expenses are 1 million gbp. almost every publishing house has author royalties at 20-30% of expenses, meaning total cost is like 3-5 million gbp.

600k gbp is not a meaningful loss for a company who has less than 1% of the business as publishing. but the books are essential to the primacy warhammer has clawed out over every other wargame

two other points from that one:
1. theres gonna be an eisenhorn tv show, which was reported about then
2. theyre doing a european erp dealio

i have never seen a total erp switch that was not a material threat to the existence of a business. up to and including tech majors. apple had a terrifying sap install a while back thats in material part why itunes sucks

bob dobbs is dead fucked around with this message at 01:44 on Feb 15, 2022

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost
its worth noting that they thought the erp was gonna go live in 2021 and then the 2021 report botes that the erp is gonna go live one of these years

the basic problem with these fuckin things is that they are a lovely domain-specific programming language (in addition to the whole lovely programming languages like ABAP) so orgs that dont know how to do software dev are forced into doing software dev. to wit, games workshop almost certainly doesnt know poo poo about software dev

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

Can you just give SAP a lot of money

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost
no, no, the risks and failure and despair is after you hand over 7, 8, 9 figures to sap

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady
That revenue is for Black Library's site directly it seems, since it's breaking down the rest by company division and it seems slightly silly to arbitrarily pull the book numbers out of the store figures otherwise.

D-Pad
Jun 28, 2006

bob dobbs is dead posted:

https://investor.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/2019-20-Press-statement-1.pdf

the trade breakout is 2.4 million gbp income. royalty payouts in expenses are 1 million gbp. almost every publishing house has author royalties at 20-30% of expenses, meaning total cost is like 3-5 million gbp.

600k gbp is not a meaningful loss for a company who has less than 1% of the business as publishing. but the books are essential to the primacy warhammer has clawed out over every other wargame

two other points from that one:
1. theres gonna be an eisenhorn tv show, which was reported about then
2. theyre doing a european erp dealio

i have never seen a total erp switch that was not a material threat to the existence of a business. up to and including tech majors. apple had a terrifying sap install a while back thats in material part why itunes sucks

No, read above that. The 2.4 million is only black library revenue from sales to 3rd party distributors. This would be revenue from selling through places like Amazon or Barnes and Nobles. It does not count sales in GW stores, third party game stores, or through the GW website which are much bigger channels for BL. They have 531 stores worldwide and over 4,700 independent retailers (GW sells directly to the independent retailers not through distributors which is why that 2.4m does not include those numbers). Not all independent retailers sell BL books but I'd estimate at least in the US based on all the gaming stores I've been to that carry GW products about 25-30% carry BL books.

As far as I know, GW has never provided a comprehensive breakdown of Black Library revenues but I would estimate it's more on the order of $10-$30 million. It's certainly not the biggest part of their business and you are correct that it exists to drive sales of tabletop products but it absolutely is a profitable segment for GW.

NihilCredo
Jun 6, 2011

iram omni possibili modo preme:
plus una illa te diffamabit, quam multæ virtutes commendabunt

bob dobbs is dead posted:

no, no, the risks and failure and despair is after you hand over 7, 8, 9 figures to sap

"The Imperium is hilariously inefficient", meanwhile in Old Germania:

https://www.henricodolfing.com/2020/05/case-study-lidl-sap-debacle.html

Sextro
Aug 23, 2014

People have started to say things like ERP and SAP and the only things my brain can figure out are “erotic role play” and “special access programs” and that’s not helping my comprehension.

What?

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady
Honestly just stick with that interpretation and be happier.

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost

Sextro posted:

People have started to say things like ERP and SAP and the only things my brain can figure out are “erotic role play” and “special access programs” and that’s not helping my comprehension.

What?

an enterprise resource planner is an extremely upjumped accounting program that claims to also do literally everything else in a company's back office. bill of materials, resource planning and production organization, customer relations management, marketing poo poo, financial reporting, other accounting poo poo, hr poo poo, yadda yadda yadda. like all other enterprise software they are in the main piles of flaming poo poo. 90% of all large companies use one. SAP ('systeme, anwendungen, und produkte') is the top european vendor for this poo poo, selling 30 billion euro of this poo poo a year. the lidl disaster was linked. target canada was also a failure because its (non-SAP) erp was a piece of crap. just an absurdly large portion of gigantic, 100 million, 1 billion, etc etc software boondoggles are erp failures because you can't sell erp without claiming to do everything, and every single additional feature in software increases its complexity by closer to O(2^n) than software vendors would like to admit.

it seems that GW is undergoing a nice little erp project themselves and it's running late as usual for these things.

e: looks like it's microsoft dynamics, actually

https://www.theregister.com/2021/01/15/games_workshop_erp_saga/

only 6 million wasted so far! could easily get 10x, 50x!

bob dobbs is dead fucked around with this message at 13:14 on Feb 15, 2022

Sextro
Aug 23, 2014

:confuoot: Thanks for the explainer! Every time I try and understand anything about corporate systems I just start thinking Georges Bataille’s economic theory was fundamentally correct.

Also, has anyone else listened to the Ahriman audiobook versions? I’m looking for non-imperial pov audiobooks to listen to in general.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady
I suspect GW's ERP is just a way to spend their ridiculous profits from the last couple of years rather than handing it to shareholders. I don't think they were quite prepared to be as successful as they are with regard to weathering Brexit.

NihilCredo posted:

"The Imperium is hilariously inefficient", meanwhile in Old Germania:

https://www.henricodolfing.com/2020/05/case-study-lidl-sap-debacle.html
Having had time to read this I gain fresh understanding for why even my friends who work at SAP think their products are poo poo.

DAD LOST MY IPOD
Feb 3, 2012

Fats Dominar is on the case


my understanding is that a catastrophic erp failure is what led to the cursed city disaster

Biplane
Jul 18, 2005

Catastrophic erp is what led directly to the fall of the eldar and the birth of Slaanesh.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady

DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:

my understanding is that a catastrophic erp failure is what led to the cursed city disaster
I heard that was shenanigans caused by Brexit and the new rules on how much you could put in a box and still slap "Made in BRITAIN!!! :britain:" on the box. Since they were sourcing bits from all over the planet this caused a bit of a problem when they had to suddenly move production to the UK on zero notice.

Angry Lobster
May 16, 2011

Served with honor
and some clarified butter.

Biplane posted:

Catastrophic erp is what led directly to the fall of the eldar and the birth of Slaanesh.

Eldar developers were just trying to attain Ballmer's Peak for optimal coding efficiency, unfortunately they overboozed with catastrophical consequencies.

notaspy
Mar 22, 2009

Sextro posted:

:confuoot: Thanks for the explainer! Every time I try and understand anything about corporate systems I just start thinking Georges Bataille’s economic theory was fundamentally correct.

Also, has anyone else listened to the Ahriman audiobook versions? I’m looking for non-imperial pov audiobooks to listen to in general.

I am reading the first one, it's interesting but dragging a bit, it might be a lot better as an audiobook

D-Pad
Jun 28, 2006

As somebody who only recently moved on from being a Project Manager in IT, the words "ERP Implementation" send me into convulsive fits followed by catatonia until the danger has passed. You could not pay me enough money to deal with that bullshit.

FPyat
Jan 17, 2020
What BL book is most blatant about being a toy commercial?

Brendan Rodgers
Jun 11, 2014




FPyat posted:

What BL book is most blatant about being a toy commercial?

I haven't read the new Dawn of Fire series, but I've read excerpts about the new Primaris squads in there that get really detailed about how badass these new toys are, and how unprepared the Chaos Marines are for revolutionary tactics like the dudes with jetpacks having proper guns instead of swords and pistols.

Brendan Rodgers fucked around with this message at 21:27 on Feb 15, 2022

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
The book "The Emperor's Gift" itself isn't too much of a toy advertisement, right up until it had to release alongside the new line of Grey Knights models. It's like you can see the very page where it switches gears from a cool ADB story into a cool ADB story covered with licensing stickers and trademark tags.

Count Thrashula
Jun 1, 2003

Death is nothing compared to vindication.
Buglord
Indomitus is the most garbage pointless advertisement I've ever read. Aside from being a terrible book, they go out of their way to highlight the special models that come in the indomitus box set.

Dawn of Fire is actually pretty decent beside that

Marshal Prolapse
Jun 23, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
One thing I’ve liked about dark imperium is the discussion of sort of statecraft and administration. Are there any other books like that in the Warhammer 40K BL. Perhaps it’s just the writer, but the non bolter stuff is just so good.

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

"From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.
Buglord

Marshal Prolapse posted:

One thing I’ve liked about dark imperium is the discussion of sort of statecraft and administration. Are there any other books like that in the Warhammer 40K BL. Perhaps it’s just the writer, but the non bolter stuff is just so good.

One of the subplots in Avenging Son is all administrative work, sorta

IshmaelZarkov
Jun 20, 2013

Dawn of Fire era books are fine, sure, but if we could get some of the good authors getting in on some high-political, high-scheming, non-bolter porn Reign of Blood books that really focus in on the scheming between the high lords and the administrative horrors that led to one fanatic rear end in a top hat stealing control of the Imperium through underhanded dealings and House of Cards-esque shennanigans, I'd be very happy.

D-Pad
Jun 28, 2006

Marshal Prolapse posted:

One thing I’ve liked about dark imperium is the discussion of sort of statecraft and administration. Are there any other books like that in the Warhammer 40K BL. Perhaps it’s just the writer, but the non bolter stuff is just so good.


IshmaelZarkov posted:

Dawn of Fire era books are fine, sure, but if we could get some of the good authors getting in on some high-political, high-scheming, non-bolter porn Reign of Blood books that really focus in on the scheming between the high lords and the administrative horrors that led to one fanatic rear end in a top hat stealing control of the Imperium through underhanded dealings and House of Cards-esque shennanigans, I'd be very happy.

The first Watchers of the Throne book is what you are both looking for. Also, as mentioned the first Dawn of Fire book has an excellent adminstratum scribe subplot that needs to be expanded into a 5 book series it's so good.

Cooked Auto
Aug 4, 2007

FPyat posted:

What BL book is most blatant about being a toy commercial?

Emperor's Gift as previously mentioned is a good example, if I recall ADB mentioning fighting against his editor to include stuff like the Dreadknight and such.

But there definitely was a point during 6th and 7th edition 40k where books were very big on featuring whatever new whizzbang model that was related to whatever faction was in focus.

A habit that still isn't completely gone as it did show up in the first Plague Wars book from what I remember of people's comments about it.

Demiurge4
Aug 10, 2011

The features are always bad and break the flow of the books. There's a lot more combat scenes in Avenging Son than there needs to be because they're showcasing all the Primaris stuff, but it's always mentioned in passing anyway.

D-Pad
Jun 28, 2006

The first episode of The Exodite is out today. It's not very long at all and just a setup so I can't really tell if it's going to be good or not. The animation is better than Angels of Death but not at Astartes level.

Marshal Prolapse
Jun 23, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

D-Pad posted:

The first Watchers of the Throne book is what you are both looking for. Also, as mentioned the first Dawn of Fire book has an excellent adminstratum scribe subplot that needs to be expanded into a 5 book series it's so good.

Thanks! My audible credit for the month just turned up. I'm actually interested in the fact Watchers has three different voice actors doing narration.

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

"From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.
Buglord
Avenging Son isn't too bad about showing off new toys. There's a little bit but it's more about when the Primaris first got shown off in universe so it doesn't feel as blatant. Dark Imperium was really bad about it. You can basically see the starter set during a lot of the fight scenes. I've heard the sequels are better about it.

Indomitus is the most blatant toy ad I know of.

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?


Marshal Prolapse posted:

One thing I’ve liked about dark imperium is the discussion of sort of statecraft and administration. Are there any other books like that in the Warhammer 40K BL. Perhaps it’s just the writer, but the non bolter stuff is just so good.

Unremembered Empire, though 30K, is IIRC mostly Guilliman being depressed in his room talking about how the Heresy is loving up his hopes for a brighter future and a nice big dinner with the whole family in Ultramar while buckling under the stress of ruling Imperium Secundus. I remember really loving it at the time.

Warden
Jan 16, 2020

Marshal Prolapse posted:

Thanks! My audible credit for the month just turned up. I'm actually interested in the fact Watchers has three different voice actors doing narration.

I thought it was pretty neat. Also, the sequel was also quite good.

Dick Trauma
Nov 30, 2007

God damn it, you've got to be kind.
:frogsiren:

https://twitter.com/_rhubard/status/1493929021142450178?s=20&t=uW2w6bdBDevqG6Vnywsl7g

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Azubah
Jun 5, 2007

Time to make Dr. Eldar canon!

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