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Cugel the Clever posted:https://twitter.com/ebottcher/status/1493807753164468230?t=j_VFXQk3H4zu4G9b8SHYjQ&s=19
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https://twitter.com/wusa9/status/1494137274510213124 lol. lmao. this is a densely populated downtown area. find the driver and  edit- in case it's not clear, that white blur in the frame is the car in question
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Electro-Boogie Jack posted:https://twitter.com/wusa9/status/1494137274510213124 Why don't we have a war on people who drive like assholes. I mean I assume we'd still lose it but at least people like drugs
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Fitzy Fitz posted:https://twitter.com/MattWSB/status/1494154139458228225?s=20&t=4Uj3ECqtsQh36gy9VeNH9w crashing into homes AND threatening people
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just drag poo poo into the street at this point imo. It's a life or death situation that calls for a bit more than voting or sending some emails
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if you make someone move to the right lane to pass you, you’re as good as dead
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car brain runs so deep in most people that they actually think speeding is good. i posted here a while back about how it would be trivially easy to eliminate speeding if the govt actually cared and immediately some poster was like b..b..but that would be so unsafe if you couldn't go over the speed limit, no one would be able to pass!!! ok good you stupid gently caress don't pass then. why does driving a car turn people into crazy assholes? like if you are waiting in bad traffic, people are always jockeying for position and cutting in front of you to save fractions of a second on their drive. if you are waiting in line at a store you don't just cut in front of people, and yet in a car which is 1000x more dangerous than waiting in a queue at a grocery store people lose all pretense of manners and do everything they can to beat you in some imaginary race.
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Norton posted:car brain runs so deep in most people that they actually think speeding is good. i posted here a while back about how it would be trivially easy to eliminate speeding if the govt actually cared and immediately some poster was like b..b..but that would be so unsafe if you couldn't go over the speed limit, no one would be able to pass!!! ok good you stupid gently caress don't pass then. Local government has already achieved this, only for e scooters though, not cars
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In europe they've come up with a standard (pedelec or something) for what it means for powered vehicle to be safe. It only applies to e-bikes though, not cars
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Norton posted:car brain runs so deep in most people that they actually think speeding is good. i posted here a while back about how it would be trivially easy to eliminate speeding if the govt actually cared and immediately some poster was like b..b..but that would be so unsafe if you couldn't go over the speed limit, no one would be able to pass!!! ok good you stupid gently caress don't pass then. I like the threads about traffic on my local subreddits because they're mostly a bunch of people frothing at the mouth over the occasional driver who isn't speeding like they are. I was an impatient driver when I was younger, but I realized one day that it was unnecessary stress, and I just stopped hurrying while driving. That stress and anger is completely up to you.
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Norton posted:car brain runs so deep in most people that they actually think speeding is good. i posted here a while back about how it would be trivially easy to eliminate speeding if the govt actually cared and immediately some poster was like b..b..but that would be so unsafe if you couldn't go over the speed limit, no one would be able to pass!!! ok good you stupid gently caress don't pass then.  Stop the rat race. gently caress cars.
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If you want to drive slow, that's fine, but don't drive in the leftmost lane. I don't think speeding is or should be mandatory but I do think people who want to drive slower should stay to the right.
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:If you want to drive slow, that's fine, but don't drive in the leftmost lane. I don't think speeding is or should be mandatory but I do think people who want to drive slower should stay to the right. I'm doing 90 mph, and I'm saying this to you doing 80 mph
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:If you want to drive slow, that's fine, but don't drive in the leftmost lane. I don't think speeding is or should be mandatory but I do think people who want to drive slower should stay to the right. There should be no such thing as a passing lane.
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this is many, many times more dangerous than firing a gun down the street - but will never be treated as such in the USA
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Norton posted:why does driving a car turn people into crazy assholes? like if you are waiting in bad traffic, people are always jockeying for position and cutting in front of you to save fractions of a second on their drive. if you are waiting in line at a store you don't just cut in front of people, and yet in a car which is 1000x more dangerous than waiting in a queue at a grocery store people lose all pretense of manners and do everything they can to beat you in some imaginary race. yeah it's always revealing to consider the way people behave in cars vs how they behave on the metro. even when it's peak commuting hours on the train and everyone is squeezed in people are still pretty unfailingly polite and help each other make more room, clear paths to the doors, etc. you gotta figure some of these same people would happily kill each other to reach a red light a little bit faster when they're driving, it just brings out the absolutely loving worst in tons of people.
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I generally avoid the left lane on highways because it's full of lunatics, but sometimes I have to use it to pass or make room for people entering the highway. Nearly every time I inhabit the left lane for even a moment I'm tailgated by an aggressive driver trying to do 90 mph even though I'm typically doing ~10 mph over the speed limit and am only there for a few moments. So when people complain about other drivers cruising too slowly in the left lane, I usually assume they're talking about literally anyone who was going slower than them for even a moment, and tbh gently caress those people.
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Electro-Boogie Jack posted:yeah it's always revealing to consider the way people behave in cars vs how they behave on the metro. even when it's peak commuting hours on the train and everyone is squeezed in people are still pretty unfailingly polite and help each other make more room, clear paths to the doors, etc. cars give the false illusion of complete privacy. people act like maniacs because they think nobody can see them i have a theory that this is a big reason lots of drivers inherently rage at cyclists. drivers expect to look around and see smooth steel boxes, but when they encounter a cyclist they see a human face looking directly at them, which completely shatters their illusion of privacy
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Polo-Rican posted:cars give the false illusion of complete privacy. people act like maniacs because they think nobody can see them and it's constantly reinforcing itself. because you are relatively isolated and can rapidly distance yourself from your target of ire, it's very rare that you will actually encounter any pushback for being an angry lunatic towards someone that is doing 1 under the speed limit. as a result, people train their brains over time: this is the rage box. once you climb inside and get on the road, it is okay and normal to be in a constant state of rage.
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Cugel the Clever posted:Serious question: why though? It reads to me like this is just one of those things that's been beaten into peoples' heads about driving, but ultimately has no purpose beyond enabling speeding. There aren't other social situations where we demand everyone behave to accommodate the most impatient person. Imagine the same dynamic at the grocery store queue: everyone standing in line, waiting their turn, then some loving rear end in a top hat barreling through to jump the queue on one side. We've created an insane norm where it's the person who impedes the queue-jumper that gets universal derision. Because a traffic flow pattern where each lane speeds up as it goes left lets everyone drive their desired speed with minimal disruption to the traffic flow pattern, even those that want to go under the speed limit. Keeping lanes at different speeds also prevents scenarios where someone is camped in your blind spot until you forget about them. Once again, traffic flow is a high stakes fluid dynamics simulation. If you want to be a good particle in the flow, you think about the motion of the fluid. The highway is not a place for moralizing, it is a place where you're simply trying not to die. If you choose to go slower or at the same speed as someone to your right, you're endangering everyone around you. If traffic flow is broken and lanes are moving the same speed, your goal is to create a lattice and keep out of anyone's blind spot.
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Notorious R.I.M. posted:Once again, traffic flow is a high stakes fluid dynamics simulation. 
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Cugel the Clever posted:Sounds like the highway is a hellscape that shouldn't exist if people lose all ability to make decisions and are unable to restrain themselves from driving as fast as they feel they can get away with I will simply clap my hands and make the hellscape disappear.
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In Quebec, the left lane being a passing lane is only a thing on highways with speeds of 90 km/hr (55 mph) or above, but people act as if it's a rule even on city boulevards. gently caress car brains.
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Notorious R.I.M. posted:I will simply clap my hands and make the hellscape disappear. I get you're describing the situation as is, but, when done in response to talk about changing it, it does come off as endorsing the status quo. Allowing the highways be speedways absolutely had a contagion effect on all our streets. Edit: imagine a police brutality thread where someone walks in and says "this isn't a normative argument, but cops killing people is just the way it is, there's no hope for solving the problem" Cugel the Clever has issued a correction as of 19:30 on Feb 17, 2022 |
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Cugel the Clever posted:What's different about the highway versus the line at the grocery store that makes the former a place where we just accept that people lose their minds? Surely there are structural and behavioral changes that can be made to rein in the free-for-all? The line in the grocery store isn't a life or death situation. If you want to change the highway system, you don't drive the speed limit in the left lane. You get rid of highways. Thinking that you are affecting change by policing other drivers is naive. You won't change them as long as they're in a car. That's even worse than endorsing the status quo. Not only is it completely ineffective at creating some sort of change, it's also dangerous.
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cugel the clever wants to drive like other peoples driving behavior does not matter so there ya go the truth is people drive like loving psychos and you have to change your behavior to compensate
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By all means protect yourself by staying out of the left lane, but the framing always blames the slow drivers, not the psychos, even in this thread.
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I think youll find the position of people in this thread is a bit more nuanced than that. As far as specific behaviors go the "getting mad at slow people" constitutes two entirely different things. Obviously the guy with the Frasier avatar is full of carbrained poo poo, but that doesn't mean cruising along in the right lane completely ignorant of the speed of traffic whipping by you is AOK either. actually none of it is okay it all loving sucks! but we make do by being as absolutely safe as possible edit: the "dont go slow in the left lane" complaint is kinda like a dog whistle for "why wont people let me treat the left lane like the autobahn" Jokerpilled Drudge has issued a correction as of 19:56 on Feb 17, 2022 |
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RE: Left lane speeding. Elevators aren’t roads, but here’s a study that shows a ~30% increase in throughput on an escalator by getting people to use both sides instead of staying right to let walkers up. Lines up pretty well to the car conversation, especially this part: quote:5.2 Customer Feedback https://liftsymposium.org/download/LiftandEscalatorSymposiumProceedings2016.pdf
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I demand the right to hold up the party because I’m in a hurry. E: Quote != Edit.
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People get places faster when you get out of their way so that they can go dangerous speeds, yeah.
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Fitzy Fitz posted:I generally avoid the left lane on highways because it's full of lunatics, but sometimes I have to use it to pass or make room for people entering the highway. Nearly every time I inhabit the left lane for even a moment I'm tailgated by an aggressive driver trying to do 90 mph even though I'm typically doing ~10 mph over the speed limit and am only there for a few moments. So when people complain about other drivers cruising too slowly in the left lane, I usually assume they're talking about literally anyone who was going slower than them for even a moment, and tbh gently caress those people.  I had some insanityperson do this to me last year. I was passing a semi in the middle lane, and it took me 10-15 seconds for my complete pass. They must have veered across three lanes from the right to get behind me without noticing. I tend to never get in the left lane unless I'm sure I'll have plenty of time to pass before I'd get tailgated by a SUV/brodozer. As soon as I get two-three car lengths ahead of the semi, I use my signal and move back to the center/cruise lane. This person also moves to the center lane at the same time, then veers back to the left lane, slows up alongside me, flips me off, then motors down to the next bit of traffic. She then veers all the way to the right lane to try to go around the slow traffic in the outer lanes but hits a snag (slow driver) in the right lane. This brings up another pet peeve of mine: driving the speed limit in the far right lane. You will still get dozens/hundreds of people flying into that lane to pass on the right, because the people passing on the left are doing so at 86 not 88 mph. You can't escape these awful drivers anymore with even the best defensive driving. This sucks.
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:If you want to drive slow, that's fine, but don't drive in the leftmost lane. I don't think speeding is or should be mandatory but I do think people who want to drive slower should stay to the right. gently caress you and gently caress off, car lover
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The passing lane argument is similar to the "most accidents caused by driver error" argument: yeah, it's mostly the psychopaths who cause problems when you don't use the passing lane (like it's mostly the psychopaths who cause problems with "driver error"), but that means we have to drive in such a way as to minimize the damage done by the psychopaths (just like we need to start designing roads and vehicles around the fact that people drive like psychopaths). You should only use the passing lane for passing. https://youtu.be/4oqfodY2Lz0
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:people who want to drive slower should stay to the right. another issue with drivers is that they have no idea how much time they save or lose by going faster most of the time drivers rage out because they got stuck behind a car or a bike, it added like <20 seconds total to their trip
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