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Acerbatus posted:I don't think there's any situation where using children as human shields is going to be 'for a good cause' because it requires the people being protested to be unwilling to mow down children. Even then, the risk it could happen by accident exists. Also, your cause is pretty invalid when you live in a democracy and your demands are the end of democracy.
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Feb 17, 2022 15:14
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Gros Tarla posted:https://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle/1862871/ottawa-manifestations-surete-quebec-renforts-camionneurs ...Is this a thing I would not understand as an American? Are the Quebec Riot Police like infamous or something? I told my Canadian raised wife about it and she reacted with with "oh poo poo they called them in?!"
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Feb 17, 2022 16:11
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I've lived there and attended protests in Quebec and I don't think they were particularly better or worse than cops elsewhere idk
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Feb 17, 2022 16:14
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idk about better or worse but they certainly would have more experience with something like this than ops. not that it means anything but...
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Feb 17, 2022 16:16
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Another Bill posted:I've lived there and attended protests in Quebec and I don't think they were particularly better or worse than cops elsewhere idk Dunno, they kinda earned a rep in 2012 though and unlike most Canadian cops they’ve demonstrated their willingness to crack the heads of people other than native environmental protestors
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Feb 17, 2022 16:16
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TulliusCicero posted:...Is this a thing I would not understand as an American? I think there's this association with how France has had a long history of revolutions and riots in response to unpopular political events so their police have had extra training and experience in shutting them down as quickly as possible. Just as an example - the current design of Paris' city streets reflects Napoleon III directing city engineers to rebuild the city to make it easy for the military or police to bypass barricades put up by Paris mobs. But I digress- such a tradition of civil disobedience probably carried over to Quebec (As we often have protests in Montreal) and thus their police are more heavy handed in how they deal with these issues or are used to more unorthodox protest techniques.
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Feb 17, 2022 16:17
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Ron Paul Atreides posted:Dunno, they kinda earned a rep in 2012 though and unlike most Canadian cops they’ve demonstrated their willingness to crack the heads of people other than native environmental protestors plus, at minimum, they aren’t local. Shipping in riot cops from 300 miles away is a good way to signal that you aren’t loving around anymore.
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Feb 17, 2022 16:20
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TulliusCicero posted:Are the Quebec Riot Police like infamous or something? I told my Canadian raised wife about it and she reacted with with "oh poo poo they called them in?!" Maybe just a generic "they finally called in the riot police"? Either way, now we get to watch as another corps of police stands by and refuses to apply laws to their fellow white supremacist buddies. Have we gone through all of them yet that are in jurisdiction?
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Feb 17, 2022 16:23
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I'm also going to guess that instead of a "How white are you" approach that most police have, they have a "How Francophone are you" approach and... well... that's a lot of English speakers in these occupations.
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Feb 17, 2022 16:24
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Shipping in cops from Quebec might be a proximity issue, but sure feels like wanting to find cops that culturally identify less with with people they'll be dealing with.
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Feb 17, 2022 16:25
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Randalor posted:I'm also going to guess that instead of a "How white are you" approach that most police have, they have a "How Francophone are you" approach and... well... that's a lot of English speakers in these occupations. Let's skip the thinly veiled Quebec bashing here. The carrés rouges were very francophone, trust me.
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Feb 17, 2022 16:26
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Jan posted:Let's skip the thinly veiled Quebec bashing here. The carrés rouges were very francophone, trust me. They will be motivated by the cultural appropriation of poutine by Canada at large. We've all seen the pictures of shredded cheese on "poutine" west of the Ottawa river.
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Feb 17, 2022 16:41
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Randalor posted:I'm also going to guess that instead of a "How white are you" approach that most police have, they have a "How Francophone are you" approach and... well... that's a lot of English speakers in these occupations. This tracks for me. When I was young if you got caught being mischevious / drinking beer in the park / whatever, english cops with us anglos were all 'boys will be boys!' and french cops would harass the gently caress out of you (unless you spoke french to them).
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Feb 17, 2022 16:45
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https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1494216634822766594?s=20&t=boiTrQVG5asXbdjcvGKzjQ The big brain Bazinga boy South African apartheid era gem mine heir down here in the states has come down on the side of your white supremacists, shockingly!
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Feb 17, 2022 16:51
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Dr. VooDoo posted:https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1494216634822766594?s=20&t=boiTrQVG5asXbdjcvGKzjQ Elon has been backing the convoy from the start, on Twitter at least.
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Feb 17, 2022 16:59
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It's not the first time he's said he supported the "truckers." and anyone in the protest accepting his support kind of just gives away this whole thing is not about trucking. God drat he's so annoying and dumb.
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Feb 17, 2022 17:01
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Servetus posted:Elon has been backing the convoy from the start, on Twitter at least. "Oh man, those truckers flying swastikas and confederate flags? Those are the real heroes" - Elon Musk, supergenius.
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Feb 17, 2022 17:02
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I really wish my country would just deport Musk to Mars already or whatever the gently caress Just the absolute worst loving guy
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Feb 17, 2022 17:07
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Oxyclean posted:It's not the first time he's said he supported the "truckers." and anyone in the protest accepting his support kind of just gives away this whole thing is not about trucking. He claims to be building a product explicitly designed to put truckers out of a job, so yeah, sure, he supports truckers. There are so many layers of disingenuous misrepresentation here there's no point in trying to break it down.
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Feb 17, 2022 17:07
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If I was the guy facing a lawsuit in California for my racist practices to the point where allegations are that the plant floor is segregated I wouldn't be posting Hitler memes.
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Feb 17, 2022 17:10
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Generation Internet fucked around with this message at 03:56 on Apr 7, 2023 |
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Feb 17, 2022 17:16
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Generation Internet posted:Just the worst loving people all around. Not a single one has the self-awareness to be even a tiny bit ashamed, either. White South Africans? Yes.
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Feb 17, 2022 17:19
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Dr. VooDoo posted:https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1494216634822766594?s=20&t=boiTrQVG5asXbdjcvGKzjQ
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Feb 17, 2022 17:20
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Generation Internet posted:Just the worst loving people all around. Not a single one has the self-awareness to be even a tiny bit ashamed, either. But enough about white people,
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Feb 17, 2022 17:38
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https://twitter.com/rachaiello/status/1494338041866981380?s=20&t=R6EjZOmMEixmUjAkNrd05w candice you got it backwards. history won't be kind to you. https://twitter.com/rachaiello/status/1494341647756189699?s=20&t=R6EjZOmMEixmUjAkNrd05w
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Feb 17, 2022 17:41
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Musk conveniently supports the protest that cost his competitors millions of dollars
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Feb 17, 2022 17:41
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Everytime a non con talks they get jeered and booed and everytime a con talks about how JT has done nothing but call truckers mean names and then try remove civil liberties there is silence. It's like the cons are the only ones there
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Feb 17, 2022 17:47
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Feb 17, 2022 17:49
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https://twitter.com/StephanieLevitz/status/1494347791086370819 Should the NDP support the government here? Lol imagine the chaos if they change their mind and vote this down. (I heard on the radio the government gave parliament like a 14 page document explaining why the emergency act usage is required. Is that publicly available or do we just have the government talking points?)
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Feb 17, 2022 18:23
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My only fear about the emergencies act is that the Conservatives will use it to curb stomp protestors and freeze all the donation money an environmentalist or occupy movement would get. Or invoke it during a general strike or major labor disruption to freeze union financing and force people back to work. There's so many ways this can be abused now that we set the precedent. I get why it had to be done, because the cops are in mutiny and switched sides... But it doesn't change the implications for future events... Is there a way to gauge how much public support this declaration is getting?
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Feb 17, 2022 18:27
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Feels so much like a practice run like 1/6 but for Canada.
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Feb 17, 2022 18:29
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The Tories (and the Bloc, I guess) are pretending so drat hard that this order is overbroad and shocking, when it is not remotely either of those things. It does basically two things: 1) allowing additional law enforcement bodies to enforce laws that already exist, and 2) giving immediate effect to FINTRAC regulations on crowdfunding and crypto that look like Parliament is going to make permanent anyway. There's basically nothing going on here that Parliament couldn't get done in several weeks through its normal processes. But the Tories have to pretend that something
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Feb 17, 2022 18:29
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tagesschau posted:The Tories (and the Bloc, I guess) are pretending so drat hard that this order is overbroad and shocking, when it is not remotely either of those things. It does basically two things: 1) allowing additional law enforcement bodies to enforce laws that already exist, and 2) giving immediate effect to FINTRAC regulations on crowdfunding and crypto that look like Parliament is going to make permanent anyway. It's exhausting that the right can constantly use all the rhetoric the left used when we were fighting real authoritarianism and somehow play themselves up as the oppressed victims. It works every goddamn time. It's all projection and it makes me sick.
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Feb 17, 2022 18:31
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Femtosecond posted:Should the NDP support the government here? https://twitter.com/davidreevely/status/1494341265269264384?s=20&t=wyaMUPTpqrkm-Xvx3tCndQ deeply angry, but I doubt he'll budge.
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Feb 17, 2022 18:37
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This whole situation's just made me realize how out of touch I've gotten with politics in my own country, province, and city after years of rubbernecking the American political car crash. Does anyone have any tips for podcasts, newspapers, good twitter follows or the like for keeping up to date? I'll take B.C.-specific if you've got 'em. The OP mentions the big names, but I'm hoping I can do better than the Globe and Mail.
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Feb 17, 2022 18:47
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Development posted:https://twitter.com/davidreevely/status/1494341265269264384?s=20&t=wyaMUPTpqrkm-Xvx3tCndQ Thankfully, it reads more that he's angry that it reached the point where it was necessary, not angry about the act itself.
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Feb 17, 2022 18:49
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Randalor posted:Thankfully, it reads more that he's angry that it reached the point where it was necessary, not angry about the act itself. Doug was too busy OPENIN' 'ER UP to assist in Ottawa.
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Feb 17, 2022 18:58
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Kraftwerk posted:My only fear about the emergencies act is that the Conservatives will use it to curb stomp protestors and freeze all the donation money an environmentalist or occupy movement would get. Why would they need to do this when they can just send in the RCMP to bust heads and snipe folks with the unilateral enthusiastic support of every white person in the country.
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Feb 17, 2022 18:58
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Kraftwerk posted:My only fear about the emergencies act is that the Conservatives will use it to curb stomp protestors and freeze all the donation money an environmentalist or occupy movement would get. Or invoke it during a general strike or major labor disruption to freeze union financing and force people back to work. By Candice said that Tories would meet and talk to protesters and not call them mean names and actually have a dialog with protesters and reach an understanding so I am sure she will so this environmental protesters. /Sarcasm
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Feb 17, 2022 19:02
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unreal, I am not even in  , and there was a loudass truck horn going off at the university campus I'm at (california of alllll places, gently caress).https://twitter.com/BahubeshiMayada/status/1494371710556155909?s=20&t=E4u_F3cPgnZS0aXexKtZNA
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