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Tom Smykowski
Jan 27, 2005

What the hell is wrong with you people?

kingcobweb posted:

I know there’s a lot of truly evil people in this world but I reserve a special place of hatred in my heart for professional union-busters

https://twitter.com/amazonlabor/status/1489284322381209610?s=20&t=XU_u-lNepIU0JbF2b3Ty5Q


Confessions of a Union Buster is one of the most frustrating books I've ever read just because it's page after page of guys like that fucker

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theflyingexecutive
Apr 22, 2007

kingcobweb posted:

I know there’s a lot of truly evil people in this world but I reserve a special place of hatred in my heart for professional union-busters

https://twitter.com/amazonlabor/status/1489284322381209610?s=20&t=XU_u-lNepIU0JbF2b3Ty5Q

Alex Acosta relative?

Hulk Krogan
Mar 25, 2005



It really goes to show how it's really not ultimately about the cost of increased wages or whatever for these business, but purely an ideological struggle and the need to maintain total authority over the workplace.

JAY ZERO SUM GAME
Oct 18, 2005

Walter.
I know you know how to do this.
Get up.


ALU has successfully filed for an election at another amazon warehouse, too

JAY ZERO SUM GAME
Oct 18, 2005

Walter.
I know you know how to do this.
Get up.


here's the filing

https://twitter.com/UnionElections/status/1489664208065253385?s=20&t=aCTohSwJLgtDfxKJlwtOxQ

pretty crazy, again, they're doing this without a larger local, forming their own, new, union

it's hard, but if they can do it...

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



unionization kicks rear end


in kinda related news, copenhagen municipality just fired Intervare / nemlig.com today, which they had used for grocery deliveries to old/handicapped citizens for a couple years

last year it came out in papers that intervare were using the classic "independent contractor" model (so basically uber etc). so the muni held back payments while looking into it & have been telling intervare to fix poo poo, but they didnt so now the muni cancelled the contract before its end date. also they reserved the back-held contract pay (something like 500k usd?) to instead pay directly to drivers

they were intervares biggest customer, so its gonna sting. intervare says they will sue for breach of contract but i dont think they will get far. first, because all public contracts have a "fair work" clause so they will probably have to make a case that they are not underpaying, and second because the danish tax authorities have already classified wolt (gig food delivery) "contractors" as actual employees for tax purposes, so theres a precedent for the workers there already

mrmcd
Feb 22, 2003

Pictured: The only good cop (a fictional one).

https://twitter.com/jackcalifano/status/1490834902627102723


lmao.

the transcript, in case you doubt it's real: https://our.rei.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/REI_Transcript_v02_220203.pdf

SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017


Seems like it's working exactly as intended

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005
more union busting

https://twitter.com/SBWorkersUnited/status/1491087545626951680

Pentecoastal Elites
Feb 27, 2007


beyond parody lol

JAY ZERO SUM GAME
Oct 18, 2005

Walter.
I know you know how to do this.
Get up.


i just sat through a union busting zoom call with an employer

the only people that showed up were organizing committee members

lol

JAY ZERO SUM GAME
Oct 18, 2005

Walter.
I know you know how to do this.
Get up.


starbucks has a big legal department and budget, but i'm not so sure this one's gonna work out for em

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

JAY ZERO SUM GAME posted:

starbucks has a big legal department and budget, but i'm not so sure this one's gonna work out for em

Ya that’s a real bad look. Sucks for those directly affected since this kind of thing generally has a timeline in years, but the NLRB is gonna nail their balls to the wall.

Konstantin
Jun 20, 2005
And the Lord said, "Look, they are one people, and they have all one language; and this is only the beginning of what they will do; nothing that they propose to do will now be impossible for them.
In addition to being a bad look, has Starbucks seen the labor market? No way are they getting competent replacements, and the fired workers can walk into any one of dozens of establishments and get another job that day.

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005
help some brave union people out https://twitter.com/SBWorkersUnited/status/1491108430001709058

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Konstantin posted:

In addition to being a bad look, has Starbucks seen the labor market? No way are they getting competent replacements, and the fired workers can walk into any one of dozens of establishments and get another job that day.

I'm not sure HR is aware of what that word means

Alkydere
Jun 7, 2010
Capitol: A building or complex of buildings in which any legislature meets.
Capital: A city designated as a legislative seat by the government or some other authority, often the city in which the government is located; otherwise the most important city within a country or a subdivision of it.



StashAugustine posted:

I'm not sure HR is aware of what that word means

Of course they're not aware.

That would require competency on HR's part and I don't think I've ever seen a competent HR.

Angstronaut
Apr 26, 2005

is there no shame?
if I am accidentally now The Boss of an workplace (formerly organic leader) how can I make a lasting impact to empower the staff? workplace is under 50 people and a nonprofit.

The Science of Suck
Mar 17, 2009
just not interfering would be an improvement over workplaces with an actively union-hostile management. imo actual organizing should come from the bottom of the power structure so maybe you can put the idea in someone’s head? i am not a lawyer, but my understanding is that managers have been lawfully fired for just appearing to be pro-union, so be aware of that.

DAD LOST MY IPOD
Feb 3, 2012

Fats Dominar is on the case


the issue is that, while it seems like it would be a nice thing to let a cool pro union manager help organize, what actually happens when management is allowed to be pro-union is that they cheerfully help organize a “union” which is in fact wholly captive to the whims of management. you get Potemkin unions. that’s why the prohibition on management getting involved in organizing is so ironclad and durable—it’s one of the most insidious anti union tricks there is.

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005

DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:

the issue is that, while it seems like it would be a nice thing to let a cool pro union manager help organize, what actually happens when management is allowed to be pro-union is that they cheerfully help organize a “union” which is in fact wholly captive to the whims of management. you get Potemkin unions. that’s why the prohibition on management getting involved in organizing is so ironclad and durable—it’s one of the most insidious anti union tricks there is.

I’m not saying that can’t happen, but management being pro-union can have good impacts too. the only reason I ever got involved in union activity is that Cingular voluntarily recognized something like 14k workers joining CWA and publicly talked about working with them as a partner.

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005
it’s difficult to emphasize how big of a deal it is that the Seattle roastery is going union. this is the premier Starbucks in the entire world.

https://twitter.com/SBWorkersUnited/status/1493302251217367041

Jaxyon
Mar 7, 2016
I’m just saying I would like to see a man beat a woman in a cage. Just to be sure.

Angstronaut posted:

if I am accidentally now The Boss of an workplace (formerly organic leader) how can I make a lasting impact to empower the staff? workplace is under 50 people and a nonprofit.

most "bosses" think their job is to tell people how to do theirs and that's stupid so don't do that

your job is to make sure people who report to you have the best chance to do their job, which mostly involves getting resources and supporting other people and staying out of the way of people under you

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

kingcobweb posted:

it’s difficult to emphasize how big of a deal it is that the Seattle roastery is going union. this is the premier Starbucks in the entire world.

https://twitter.com/SBWorkersUnited/status/1493302251217367041

ngl, if you had told me five years ago that a new wave of unionization began with Seattle (and elsewhere) baristas, I would have laughed you out of the room.

It loving rules.

DAD LOST MY IPOD
Feb 3, 2012

Fats Dominar is on the case


kingcobweb posted:

I’m not saying that can’t happen, but management being pro-union can have good impacts too. the only reason I ever got involved in union activity is that Cingular voluntarily recognized something like 14k workers joining CWA and publicly talked about working with them as a partner.

that’s different. management can and should always voluntarily recognize their unions and they’re idiots if they don’t see the union as a partner. but management helping build the union in the first place is a big no no for good reasons

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005

DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:

that’s different. management can and should always voluntarily recognize their unions and they’re idiots if they don’t see the union as a partner. but management helping build the union in the first place is a big no no for good reasons

oh, complete agree. what I’m saying is that pro-union boss can help guide the company toward voluntarily recognizing and other pro-worker policies.

DAD LOST MY IPOD
Feb 3, 2012

Fats Dominar is on the case


kingcobweb posted:

oh, complete agree. what I’m saying is that pro-union boss can help guide the company toward voluntarily recognizing and other pro-worker policies.

(the preserved head of rich little imitating howard cosell voice) no argument there

Tulip
Jun 3, 2008

yeah thats pretty good


https://mobile.twitter.com/davis_winkie/status/1494081170023370760

:confuoot:

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005

uhhhhhh



…huh

JAY ZERO SUM GAME
Oct 18, 2005

Walter.
I know you know how to do this.
Get up.


I can’t decide how to feel about that, mostly not good; I also don’t think the law will be kind to that effort

In Training
Jun 28, 2008

The revolutionary worker's militia rises in Texas

Agean90
Jun 28, 2008


as state employees it's illegal for them to strike but if they do who's gonna stop them?

Tulip
Jun 3, 2008

yeah thats pretty good


JAY ZERO SUM GAME posted:

I can’t decide how to feel about that, mostly not good; I also don’t think the law will be kind to that effort

apparently it's perfectly legal, which is weird, like state level is a specific carve out, if they were federal it would be highly illegal

JAY ZERO SUM GAME
Oct 18, 2005

Walter.
I know you know how to do this.
Get up.


In Training posted:

The revolutionary worker's militia rises in Texas

alright then, who knew, the United socialist republics of America’s red guard has formed, I’ll forfeit my bourgeoise possessions and head to Texas

mrmcd
Feb 22, 2003

Pictured: The only good cop (a fictional one).

Sounds like a cop union tbh.

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



mrmcd posted:

Sounds like a cop union tbh.

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005
this is cool but if they’re “quietly working” why is WaPo putting a target on their backs?? I guess if Apple already knows what stores then it doesn’t hurt https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/02/18/apple-retail-stores-union-labor/

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



I guess that's why I saw a thing recently about Apple Store employees getting a dollar raise and more sick days

quote:

In addition to raises, Apple this week also told employees that it is introducing improved benefits. Apple now offers 12 paid sick days, up from six, and those days can be used for mental health leave, illnesses, or taking family members to the doctor.

The company also changed when employees are eligible for an increase in the number of vacation days they receive annually. Previously, Apple offered additional vacation days after five years of employment, but now additional vacation days are provided after three years. Part time employees are also now eligible for vacation days and up to six weeks of paid parental leave.

lmao so that's why they dont have apple stores in denmark.

im fairly sure apple store employees would qualify as funktionærer & get full pay during sick leave, though they are allowed to let you go if youre sick for 120 days (+ 1 month notice)

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005

Carthag Tuek posted:

I guess that's why I saw a thing recently about Apple Store employees getting a dollar raise and more sick days

lmao so that's why they dont have apple stores in denmark.

im fairly sure apple store employees would qualify as funktionærer & get full pay during sick leave, though they are allowed to let you go if youre sick for 120 days (+ 1 month notice)

immediately tell me what funktionærer is before I assume it’s a George Clinton record

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Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



kingcobweb posted:

immediately tell me what funktionærer is before I assume it’s a George Clinton record

funk town era:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danish_Law_on_Salaried_Employees

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