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Femtosecond posted:https://twitter.com/StephanieLevitz/status/1494347791086370819 No. Maybe I'm a rube but the Emergencies Act seems like the thing you invoke when nothing else has worked, and the government hasn't tried much of anything. If you want to change fintrac then pass a bill. Like they're seriously arguing there's some missing jurisdiction or power over border crossings or downtown Ottawa that they need in order to deal with this? Get real.
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Feb 17, 2022 19:21
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Kraftwerk posted:My only fear about the emergencies act is that the Conservatives will use it to curb stomp protestors and freeze all the donation money an environmentalist or occupy movement would get. Or invoke it during a general strike or major labor disruption to freeze union financing and force people back to work. They would do that anyway, Emergency Act or no.
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Feb 17, 2022 19:21
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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Madkal posted:By Candice said that Tories would meet and talk to protesters and not call them mean names and actually have a dialog with protesters and reach an understanding so I am sure she will so this environmental protesters. Just like Kenney did with Indigenous protesters blocking the rail lines! Hold on, getting a note passed to me here
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Feb 17, 2022 19:22
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The Coutts hug a thon should be all you need to know about the future of right wing protests in Canada. Allah himself couldn't have crafted a better metaphor
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Feb 17, 2022 19:26
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pokeyman posted:No. Maybe I'm a rube but the Emergencies Act seems like the thing you invoke when nothing else has worked, and the government hasn't tried much of anything. If you want to change fintrac then pass a bill. It sounds like they're going to pass a bill to make the Fintrac stuff permanent but I'm assuming the issue is that takes on average what, 1-3 months of they streamline things? A bill can't cut off financial support from the convoy in the immediate future given most of the finance related changes AFAIK can't be made without the full parliamentary process without invoking the Emergencies Act.
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Feb 17, 2022 19:33
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https://twitter.com/OttawaPolice/status/1494373226016878597 Also someone put together a composite live feed of Ottawa so you can compulsively watch everything going down in real time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhuKro75wsU
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Feb 17, 2022 19:42
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Dolash posted:This whole situation's just made me realize how out of touch I've gotten with politics in my own country, province, and city after years of rubbernecking the American political car crash. Does anyone have any tips for podcasts, newspapers, good twitter follows or the like for keeping up to date? I'll take B.C.-specific if you've got 'em. The OP mentions the big names, but I'm hoping I can do better than the Globe and Mail. The Tyee is pretty solid.
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Feb 17, 2022 19:42
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Mr Luxury Yacht posted:It sounds like they're going to pass a bill to make the Fintrac stuff permanent but I'm assuming the issue is that takes on average what, 1-3 months of they streamline things? A bill can't cut off financial support from the convoy in the immediate future given most of the finance related changes AFAIK can't be made without the full parliamentary process without invoking the Emergencies Act. If that's true about how long it would take to get a lowercase-e emergency bill through parliament if you shoved all other business to the side, and if the fintrac stuff is somehow vital to handling this, then I guess I can see the argument. I refuse to believe that's the only possible timeline, but I haven't supplied any evidence that it's bullshit.
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Feb 17, 2022 19:43
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Dolash posted:This whole situation's just made me realize how out of touch I've gotten with politics in my own country, province, and city after years of rubbernecking the American political car crash. Does anyone have any tips for podcasts, newspapers, good twitter follows or the like for keeping up to date? I'll take B.C.-specific if you've got 'em. The OP mentions the big names, but I'm hoping I can do better than the Globe and Mail. https://www.canadaland.com/ https://www.nationalobserver.com/ https://thetyee.ca/ https://briarpatchmagazine.com/ https://rabble.ca/ https://thenarwhal.ca/ https://ricochet.media/
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Feb 17, 2022 19:43
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Mr Luxury Yacht posted:It sounds like they're going to pass a bill to make the Fintrac stuff permanent but I'm assuming the issue is that takes on average what, 1-3 months of they streamline things? A bill can't cut off financial support from the convoy in the immediate future given most of the finance related changes AFAIK can't be made without the full parliamentary process without invoking the Emergencies Act. You can use an Order in Council to basically do anything you want short of abducting and murdering specific citizens, so I don't buy this reasoning.
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Feb 17, 2022 19:49
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Dolash posted:This whole situation's just made me realize how out of touch I've gotten with politics in my own country, province, and city after years of rubbernecking the American political car crash. Does anyone have any tips for podcasts, newspapers, good twitter follows or the like for keeping up to date? I'll take B.C.-specific if you've got 'em. The OP mentions the big names, but I'm hoping I can do better than the Globe and Mail. See if there's any crowdfunded local news in your area (and if you're in a big city, "your area" might mean neighbourhood), might be worth a read or even tossing a few dollars their way. Obviously no need to doxx yourself, but if you're willing to be more specific than "BC" maybe someone will have suggestions.
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Feb 17, 2022 19:51
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Depends OiC's aren't unlimited, does an already passed Act of Parliament confer that power to the Cabinet? My go-to example I know, is that the governor in council can classify firearms by name via OiC into restricted or prohibited, since it's a power granted to them via the Criminal code. You can't Magick an OiC into being unless parliament has said you can.
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Feb 17, 2022 19:55
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https://twitter.com/pdmcleod/status/1494370133246160898
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Feb 17, 2022 19:56
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pokeyman posted:If that's true about how long it would take to get a lowercase-e emergency bill through parliament if you shoved all other business to the side, and if the fintrac stuff is somehow vital to handling this, then I guess I can see the argument. I refuse to believe that's the only possible timeline, but I haven't supplied any evidence that it's bullshit. It's the only possible timeline unless there were unanimous consent to fast-track such a bill. What makes you think that could happen, given the current composition of the House of Commons?
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Feb 17, 2022 20:03
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Acerbatus posted:I don't think there's any situation where using children as human shields is going to be 'for a good cause' because it requires the people being protested to be unwilling to mow down children. Even then, the risk it could happen by accident exists. Yeah so this is the thing. Civil disobedience is a valid protest tactic. But you go into it with the knowledge that you are risking fines, imprisonment, injury and death. There is a very real chance the cops are going to come at you As an adult, you have the agency to make that choice. A child does not. As a parent of a child, you have a responsibility to minimise their risk of injury and death. Putting your kids in the middle of an illegal protest action is the exact opposite of that, and depending on the age of the kids, they may not even be able to object. Like, this goes for the people who stuck their kids in a sleeping dragon at Fairy Creek just as much as it goes for the convoy asshats, although the convoy asshats have been way more open about using the kids as shields specifically as a tactic, which is even more despicable. T.C. posted:I'm sure there are situations involving protest about things that are direct threats to children where having them staring down authority would make sense. Can you name one? Like I'm sure the convoy asshats have some convoluted logic of "I'm just protecting my kids from the evil poison vaccine", and there's a very roundabout philosophical argument for putting kids on the line at an environmental protest because the future of the environment affects them more. But I don't think either of those cases represent direct threats to children in the same way that putting them in front of riot police does. This is also personal to me. You know, I had a moment, while blocking the trucks on Terminal Avenue in Vancouver the other weekend, when it crossed my mind that I could, practically speaking, have brought my kid along in the bike trailer. And I immediately dismissed that thought. We were staring down cops who had threatened to arrest people, as well as a bunch of right-wing psychos in giant trucks. There is no loving way I would have brought my kid anywhere near that, and as a parent I was being extra careful to keep myself out of harm's way as much as possible, because I have a responsibility to my kid. To do otherwise is just willful negligence.
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Feb 17, 2022 20:06
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ZeeBoi posted:https://www.canadaland.com/ Also https://maisonneuve.org/
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Feb 17, 2022 20:16
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tagesschau posted:It's the only possible timeline unless there were unanimous consent to fast-track such a bill. What makes you think that could happen, given the current composition of the House of Commons? It just happened with the lovely conversion therapy ban for one thing.
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Feb 17, 2022 20:21
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pokeyman posted:No. Maybe I'm a rube but the Emergencies Act seems like the thing you invoke when nothing else has worked, and the government hasn't tried much of anything. If you want to change fintrac then pass a bill. I agree with you, to me the real issue is not the protest, it’s the police chain of command breaking and OPS going rogue, and that issue should be dealt with directly rather than the feds finding a roundabout way to do the cops’ job for them.
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Feb 17, 2022 20:24
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PartyCrown posted:The Tyee is pretty solid. Just be sure to ignore any op eds by Patrick Condon, an anti-everything boomer nimby Tyee reporting on Vancouver's homeless and toxic drug crisis is good.
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Feb 17, 2022 20:29
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Starks posted:I agree with you, to me the real issue is not the protest, it’s the police chain of command breaking and OPS going rogue, and that issue should be dealt with directly rather than the feds finding a roundabout way to do the cops’ job for them. Yeah, this is the thing, the only thing that has arguably necessitated the use of the Emergencies Act is OPS completely failing to do their job from day one. There was a perfectly normal lawful solution to these protests and all it required was the barest of preparation and not allowing them to encamp. The fact that it's been three weeks, they've completely lost control of the situation, and OPS themselves are not following lawful orders are a big problem, but it's questionable how much of that is being solved with the Emergencies Act. infernal machines fucked around with this message at 21:04 on Feb 17, 2022 |
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Feb 17, 2022 20:52
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Bleck posted:Why would they need to do this when they can just send in the RCMP to bust heads and snipe folks with the unilateral enthusiastic support of every white person in the country. I know what you are getting at, but overly broad generalisations don't help I know plenty of white people who got their faces kicked in at environmental protests or supporting first nations
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Feb 17, 2022 20:56
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infernal machines posted:Yeah, this is the thing, the only thing that has arguably necessitated the use of the Emergencies Act is OPS completely failing to do their job from day one. There was a perfectly normal lawful solution to these protests and all it required was the barest of preparation and not allowing them to encamp. On top of this, the opposition and the media doing their damnedest to make sure everyone blamed Trudeau and not OPS/the province for the problem probably didn't help. This was quickly reflected in polls showing he had a poor rating on how he was handling the protests so it's not exactly surprising he felt he needed to do something.
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Feb 17, 2022 21:01
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On the subject of OPS: lol. lmao.Cold on a Cob posted:https://twitter.com/KatePorterCBC/status/1494393900689244164?s=20&t=t12r0UrTCNKhJENBgYPVhQ
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Feb 17, 2022 21:03
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pokeyman posted:No. Maybe I'm a rube but the Emergencies Act seems like the thing you invoke when nothing else has worked, and the government hasn't tried much of anything. If you want to change fintrac then pass a bill. You're technically right in that the Ontario government and police haven't done anything to prevent/de-escalate/end the occupation, and that they could theoretically take action. However, using that as an argument against invoking the emergencies act falls flat because the provincial and police inaction is intentional. It's not an act-worthy "emergency" because they tried everything and nothing worked. It's an emergency because they refuse, and have refused, to do anything of note. The inaction is a significant part of the justification, even if Trudeau hasn't outright stated that.
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Feb 17, 2022 21:05
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Randalor posted:Thankfully, it reads more that he's angry that it reached the point where it was necessary, not angry about the act itself. That's how I read it. Also, it's the Bloc's literal job to keep the feds the gently caress out of Quebec at all costs, so they have to oppose the use of the act. No surprises here.
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Feb 17, 2022 21:07
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infernal machines posted:On the subject of OPS: lol. lmao. Little did we know, Defund the Police would wildly succeed by the cops abolishing themselves.
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Feb 17, 2022 21:09
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There are a whole lot more cops around in the livestreams as of the last little while. Sounds like the convoyers are mostly arguing about who will go and who will stay when poo poo goes down.
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Feb 17, 2022 21:12
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Orthanc6 posted:Little did we know, Defund the Police would wildly succeed by the cops abolishing themselves. It's too bad they're still spending money, otherwise this would be an incredible triumph.
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Feb 17, 2022 21:12
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The dipshits claimed they moved their trucks into a different formation to "make them harder to tow" but apparently it's just to keep people from leaving to keep their numbers up. One of the stars of the shitshow is trying to leave because he has the trailer owned by the company that fired him over this poo poo attached to his truck, and if he doesn't return it, it is essentially stolen. The dipshits themselves are trying to negotiate with the people in front of him to let him leave and trying to convince him not to leave. They're harassing the company that owns the trailer. He doesn't even know if he has insurance right now. One of the streaming dipshits is trying to convince the guy who's blocking him that if he moves to let him out, he could be arrested. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ecoG6YAPac
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Feb 17, 2022 21:12
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Watching both the Ottawa municipal government and the convoy melt down simultaneously is surprisingly entertaining, for someone who doesn't live in Ottawa. That said, I hope they don't get too stupid out there.
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Feb 17, 2022 21:22
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infernal machines posted:Watching both the Ottawa municipal government and the convoy melt down simultaneously is surprisingly entertaining, for someone who doesn't live in Ottawa. That said, I hope they don't get too stupid out there. I think I speak for everyone in Toronto when I say: for once, it's not us!
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Feb 17, 2022 21:33
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ZeeBoi posted:https://www.canadaland.com/ PartyCrown posted:The Tyee is pretty solid. pokeyman posted:See if there's any crowdfunded local news in your area (and if you're in a big city, "your area" might mean neighbourhood), might be worth a read or even tossing a few dollars their way. Obviously no need to doxx yourself, but if you're willing to be more specific than "BC" maybe someone will have suggestions. Thanks! These are all great suggestions, I'll load up and try to take the politics of the place I actually live as seriously as the politics I watch out of morbid fascination.
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Feb 17, 2022 21:34
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Powershift posted:The dipshits claimed they moved their trucks into a different formation to "make them harder to tow" but apparently it's just to keep people from leaving to keep their numbers up. Straight into my loving veins! More of this please.
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Feb 17, 2022 21:41
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Dr. VooDoo posted:https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1494216634822766594?s=20&t=boiTrQVG5asXbdjcvGKzjQ For anyone that missed it  Lol what a loving piece of poo poo.
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Feb 17, 2022 22:12
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 he deleted it? What a coward
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Feb 17, 2022 22:15
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Another Bill posted:I think I speak for everyone in Toronto when I say: for once, it's not us! It’s frankly shocking, Ottawa is sleepyburg, normally nothing happens here! That’s a big part of the charm!
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Feb 17, 2022 22:16
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Lead out in cuffs posted:Yeah so this is the thing. Civil disobedience is a valid protest tactic. But you go into it with the knowledge that you are risking fines, imprisonment, injury and death. There is a very real chance the cops are going to come at you As an adult, you have the agency to make that choice. A child does not. As a parent of a child, you have a responsibility to minimise their risk of injury and death. Putting your kids in the middle of an illegal protest action is the exact opposite of that, and depending on the age of the kids, they may not even be able to object.
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Feb 17, 2022 22:18
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ChickenDoodle posted:Straight into my loving veins! Pat King's truck got identified because he flashed his hotel on the live-stream. He has been screaming "hold the line" from his hotel room all week, and is now telling people on the ground to stay and get arrested while he runs away, and they're pissed off at him for it. They're calling him out every chance they get. He keeps repeating to everyone that he's an investigative journalist. He started out begging people not to protest his house because that's his home. He has since moved on to threatening violence. He's livestreaming a conversation with someone and every time she calls him out on his stupid antivaxx poo poo he doubles down and gets dumber or deflects. He's now trying to argue that saying "the population of the Anglo-saxon race is being diminished" isn't racist, and that "Mr Trudeau, somebody's gonna catch a bullet" in response to being kicked off a flight isn't violent. This little old lady is destroying him and he's live streaming it because he thinks it makes him look good. She's either a cop or a therapist. He really needs both. Powershift fucked around with this message at 22:28 on Feb 17, 2022 |
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Feb 17, 2022 22:25
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Cocaine Bear posted:For anyone that missed it drat this rich white South African guy is starting to give me some racist vibes hbu
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Feb 17, 2022 22:28
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Elon Musk really really seriously needs to shut the ever loving gently caress up already period. Like what a deeply cynical constantly trolling rear end in a top hat. Ever since Trump got banned from twitter it's always either him or Joe Rogan it seems doing this poo poo constantly.
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