Pingui posted:

I am unsure what you are asking. Is it why they started vaccinating 5-12's, why they didn't stop vaccinating 5-12's or if there is a repository of side-effects of vaccinating children 5-12?

Morrow posted:

Does anyone have a link to the CDC guidance for quarantine that was in effect for much of 2020? I'm only able to find the current version, they've done a good job of scrubbing it from their website.

Oracle posted:

This?

https://web.archive.org/web/20200331045447/https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/disposition-in-home-patients.html

Rust Martialis posted:

https://avisendanmark.dk/artikel/sundhedsstyrelsen-dropper-tredje-stik-til-unge-under-18

Sundhedsstyrelsen seems to be taking a position that they will not mandate boosters for 5-12 year olds, since they're not approved by the EU. I was wondering if there was any data showing vaccination of the under-12s carried any serious risks beyond a sore arm.

Also that they expect to announce the end of the vaccination program by month's end.

https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/comirnaty-covid-19-vaccine-ema-recommends-approval-children-aged-5-11 posted:

The most common side effects in children aged 5 to 11 are similar to those in people aged 12 and above. They include pain at the injection site, tiredness, headache, redness and swelling at the site of injection, muscle pain and chills. These effects are usually mild or moderate and improve within a few days of vaccination.

The CHMP therefore concluded that the benefits of Comirnaty in children aged 5 to 11 outweigh the risks, particularly in those with conditions that increase the risk of severe COVID-19.

https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/documents/product-information/comirnaty-epar-product-information_en.pdf posted:

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/sites/default/files/documents/TGU-20211119-1925_final-for-publication.pdf posted:

Interim public health considerations for COVID-19 vaccination of children aged 5-11 years

quote:

The cases presented in this report may suggest that coronavirus may affect the bioelectrical activity of the brain and perhaps – by increasing activity, especially in the occipital lobes – it may be responsible for CSD and successive appearance of aura.

Mebh posted:

Any idea what a CSD is?

quote:

The visual aura is associated with cortical spreading depression (CSD) from the visual cortex to the primary somatosensory and motor cortex.

Oracle posted:

Why are the 15th and 16th the exact same number of reported cases?

cant cook creole bream posted:

Because 70 is the same as 40?

Mebh posted:

I'm gonna go with 7 hours of blindness as my excuse for not doing that... Thanks!

Oracle posted:

drat I guess it is time to get my eyes checked.

freebooter posted:

3) the entire problem of Omicron was that vaccination was no longer particularly strong against infection.

freebooter posted:

1) would affect deaths not cases; 2) was largely unimplemented in the US or largely already in place in places like Australia; 3) the entire problem of Omicron was that vaccination was no longer particularly strong against infection.

The only thing that I can think of is what you might call a grassroots lockdown - people just choosing not to go to the restaurant, not to visit friends, drive instead of catch public transport etc. (I know that mobility and spending data suggests this was at least partly the case in Australia at the peak of the wave.) Which worries me because it suggests that as people emerge again we're just going to do it all over again in March.

quote:

And perhaps worst of all, immunocompromised people began to be outright dismissed by their friends, relatives, and colleagues because of the misleading narrative that Omicron is mild. The variant bypassed some of the defenses that even immunocompetent people had built up, rendered several antibody treatments ineffective, and swamped the health-care system that immunocompromised people rely on. And yet one of Wallace’s patients was told by their sister that no one is dying anymore. In fact, people are still dying, and immunocompromised people disproportionately so. Ignoring that sends an implicit message: Your lives don’t matter.

A big flaming stink posted:

Really loving good article, especially for showing to friends/acquaintances who don't get why this is a big deal for the immunocompromised

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2022/02/covid-pandemic-immunocompromised-risk-vaccines/622094/

e: money quote

freebooter posted:

Do we have any understanding of why (in many places, not everywhere) Omicron receded as quickly as it spiked?

More importantly, is there any reason to believe - even putting aside new variants for the moment - we won't just have another Omicron spike as high as the one we went through in, say, another month? And another month after that?

I ask because the Victorian state govt is rolling back some of the last remaining restrictions:

https://twitter.com/theage/status/1494112138314792960

freebooter posted:

The author was tweeting about this yesterday and used the word "limbo" to describe what it's like for immunocompromised people right now, which I think is bang on the money. My partner's immunocompromised but (thankfully) on the lower end of the vulnerability scale, and obviously we're still being super careful, but... it's only a matter of time. We're all inevitably going to get it. And not knowing how it will play out, despite her having had four shots, is very unpleasant.

It's also a bizarre feeling to see everybody else rushing back out to the bars and restaurants while we're still basically doing nothing. I don't begrudge them for it, but there was a sense of solidarity when Melbourne was still doing the lockdowns and pursuing COVID-zero, and it's jarring to be reminded that for most people COVID was only ever about the lockdowns (again, not to downplay how hard they were). And that's in a place with a government that genuinely did try, for a very long time. If we lived in the US or the UK I would have lost total faith in humanity halfway through 2020.

Herstory Begins Now posted:

I think that once children are being vaccinated you'll see nearly all domestic american support for continued (to say nothing of new) restrictive pandemic measures dry up.

generic one posted:

WA becomes the next state that’ll drop indoor masking mandates (in most settings):

https://twitter.com/bymikebaker/status/1494433110674456594?s=21

Barry Foster posted:

I'm in the UK and I'm flat out nostalgic for that exact same sense of solidarity that was in the air in those first few months of the pandemic, where everyone was scared enough to actually Give A poo poo about themselves and each other, and the grifters, libertarians and outright psychos (but I repeat myself) hadn't found their angle yet and started deranging the population. I've never experienced that feeling of shared purpose before and I expect I never will again.

It was early 2021 or so that I lost what little faith in humanity I still had

Craptacular! posted:

I think it's simply just a matter of time. People only live a certain number of decades, and a number of life milestones are reasonably only achievable within a certain window, so asking the public to accept a mentality equivalent to Airborne AIDS for five years isn't going to happen. A certain number of people will want to do things young people do while they're still defined as young, others will do something because they need to survive, others just feel themselves getting older and that they're being asked to spend too much of their lives inactive and isolated as a public service. And the longer it goes on the more it feels like if your selfish indulgence actually did get someone else sick that they were going to get sick eventually anyhow because there is no light at the end of the tunnel.

lllllllllllllllllll posted:

I'm an idiot and I want to know how one Covid variant is seemingly being "replaced" by another. Was not the first (two?) Covid variant more severe than the actual one?

lllllllllllllllllll posted:

How have they disappeared?

lllllllllllllllllll posted:

I understand that the actual one (Omicron) are easier to transmit but these are not mutually exclusive, right? Or maybe they have not disappeared at all.

lllllllllllllllllll posted:

If so, why are safety measures being abolished in Europe now? Sorry if this is stupid. Thanks!

Rochallor posted:

A large part of it I think is, outside the first few months of the pandemic, the part of their lives people have been expected and encouraged to sacrifice is their free time, and not the 8-16 hours a day they spend working. If you're working at Starbucks wrangling angry customers who aren't masked up all day, are you going to head right home afterwards and maybe hold a game of Werewolf or something on Zoom? No, you're gonna go out to the bar and get hosed up because your life sucks and you're in danger already. If the Almighty Number hadn't come a ringing, I think people would have cashed those stimulus and unemployment checks and been willing to stay at home a little longer then they did.

Craptacular! posted:

I think it's simply just a matter of time. People only live a certain number of decades, and a number of life milestones are reasonably only achievable within a certain window, so asking the public to accept a mentality equivalent to Airborne AIDS for five years isn't going to happen. A certain number of people will want to do things young people do while they're still defined as young, others will do something because they need to survive, others just feel themselves getting older and that they're being asked to spend too much of their lives inactive and isolated as a public service. And the longer it goes on the more it feels like if your selfish indulgence actually did get someone else sick that they were going to get sick eventually anyhow because there is no light at the end of the tunnel.

There was one goon who would come around in this thread early on, raving about how the pandemic would change dating forever and giving tips on survival sex in a world where pillars of society are extinct concepts. There's a few bugout bunker people like that in the world, but most people would rather party when the bombs that kill us all drop than shelter and preparing to live in a Mad Max world that remains.