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Don't think I would have been able to resist asking why...
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There's a Gelsinger profile in today's NYT: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/17/technology/intel-ceo-patrick-gelsinger.html
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Feb 17, 2022 17:38
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 I think this would be the first confirmed chiplet GPU+CPU in a single package? Not counting Kaby Lake G's EMIB implementation.
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Feb 17, 2022 19:15
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Man, Kaby Lake G was cool. I wish I had the budget for cool computing oddities to just kinda marvel at.
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Feb 17, 2022 19:40
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Intel Battlemage 3: The Darklight Awakening
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NewFatMike posted:Man, Kaby Lake G was cool. I wish I had the budget for cool computing oddities to just kinda marvel at. The Xeon Ds are my favourite little Intel CPU line, and I wish there were more board options for them. A consumer co like asus or msi should make special home nas/entertainment boards with them, touting the low power and compact size. I guess the cpus aren’t really priced well for that segment though.
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VorpalFish posted:Don't think I would have been able to resist asking why... Same, but I also figured out I also don't like getting figuratively and literally bashed in the face by sleazy mom-and-pop businesses
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The United States posted:Intel Battlemage 3: The Darklight Awakening SSǝX
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Be glad they aren’t yet insisting all the code names end the same. Battlemage Lake.
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Feb 18, 2022 16:54
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Why did Intel take away HT from 9th gen i7 but then bring it back for 10th gen?
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Feb 19, 2022 05:08
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Market segmentation and positioning vs AMD. Generally, i9s have more cores. There'd be almost no difference between a 9700k and 9900k other than HT and Intel wants to sell higher end CPUs. So they didn't have many options for segmenting. Zen3 saw AMD pass Intel in performance so they could no longer afford to be slacking.
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Feb 19, 2022 05:24
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Well, I got some buyer's remorse with my new 5600X. For slightly more money I could have got a 12400F and budget B660M which has a slight overall edge in games (even better if PBO is disabled on 5600X), lower average CPU power consumption by 30W, brand new 3 year warranty and 1 more M.2 3.0 slot over my B450M Mortar. Ugh
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Palladium posted:Well, I got some buyer's remorse with my new 5600X. It really depends on the game and the review setup. I've seen reviews that put the 5600X slightly ahead of the 12400 in both gaming performance and power efficiency, like these: https://www.techspot.com/review/2392-intel-core-i5-12400/, https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i5-12400f/ edit: The 5600X has a small edge in gaming performance in the Club386 and GamersNexus reviews too, and in the TomsHardware review it's basically a wash. The 5600X's advantage (or really, the thing that keeps it from getting blown out) is its cache size. If the 12400 had more cache, it would win handily against the 5600X, but as it is, it's not the better gaming CPU. So as long as you got a decent price, I don't think you have anything to worry about. Dr. Video Games 0031 fucked around with this message at 09:40 on Feb 20, 2022 |
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Feb 20, 2022 09:23
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Is there a simple tweaking utility for overclocking, like afterburner for gpus, or will I have to mess with a lot of settings in the bios? This would be with a 11600K, and mostly just out of curiosity cause iirc rocket lake isn't great for OCing.
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Feb 20, 2022 10:48
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Is the prospect of SR-IOV on the forthcoming discrete GPUs substantiated in any way whatsoever?
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Intel's about the only company who's been doing anything with SR-IOV support for their iGPUs, so I don't think it's completely out of the realm of possibility - but I haven't heard anything specific either.
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:It really depends on the game and the review setup. I've seen reviews that put the 5600X slightly ahead of the 12400 in both gaming performance and power efficiency, like these: https://www.techspot.com/review/2392-intel-core-i5-12400/, https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i5-12400f/ I have a perfectly dumb question: for the purpose of gaming, would a 12400 be a better general choice than a 7940x? Just wondering if the per-core grunt and lower latency between cores would elevate it above fourteen cores of Skylake-X justice.
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Hasturtium posted:I have a perfectly dumb question: for the purpose of gaming, would a 12400 be a better general choice than a 7940x? Just wondering if the per-core grunt and lower latency between cores would elevate it above fourteen cores of Skylake-X justice. 12400 would likely completely wreck a 7940x in gaming.
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yeah, 12400 will be like 30-40% faster in most games I would reckon. it's slowly changing, but there are basically no major titles that have any idea what to do with 28 threads.
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also: https://twitter.com/VideoCardz/status/1496238332946358275 Current mobile Alder Lake has 96 EUs on the top trim. Interesting that the igp chiplet will be TSMC N3, while the package will also have Intel 4 and Intel 20A chiplets. Seems like a lot of failure points honestly.
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Cygni posted:also: 3x Alder Lake is what, around the performance of a RTX 3050? Definitely good enough for a 14".
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Boat Stuck posted:3x Alder Lake is what, around the performance of a RTX 3050? Definitely good enough for a 14". Hopefully by then they'll have their drivers in a better state, the theoretical performance (3DMark and similar) of the XE GPUs is 50% higher than their average game performance due to their unoptimised driver. I'd absolutely adore a 6+8+320 Arrow Lake, tbh
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Cygni posted:also: The leaked slide shows compute tile for ARL-P on N3 as well as GT
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Cygni posted:yeah, 12400 will be like 30-40% faster in most games I would reckon. it's slowly changing, but there are basically no major titles that have any idea what to do with 28 threads. I don’t think a “major” qualifier is necessary here, there are no titles which use anything close to 28 threads. Or 16 threads. Or 8 threads, honestly. Vast majority of the performance increase people keep ascribing to higher core counts is actually additional cache and boost clock on higher tier parts.
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Begall posted:I don’t think a “major” qualifier is necessary here, there are no titles which use anything close to 28 threads. Or 16 threads. Or 8 threads, honestly. Vast majority of the performance increase people keep ascribing to higher core counts is actually additional cache and boost clock on higher tier parts. I've run into several games that can utilize as many threads as you can throw at them, and more of those are coming out with regularity now. Battlefield 2042 can nearly max out all 12 threads on my CPU for instance. Forza Horizon 5 utilizes all of them too, as does Halo Infinite, and several other recent games. It's not 2015 anymore. Games are multithreaded now. Though, what matters most is total performance rather than some arbitrary core count metric. For instance, people who insist that going lower than 8 cores is a huge disadvantage because the console games are "designed for" 8 cores are totally missing the point. The 12600K with e-cores disabled would have more than enough per-core performance to trivialize gaming loads that a 3700X might struggle with, for example. As for the 7940X vs the 12400, it would likely come down to game choice. The 12400 would destroy the 7940X in games that are heavily single threaded (which some still are). In the heavily multithreaded games I mentioned, I dunno. It'd probably be a lot closer. Dr. Video Games 0031 fucked around with this message at 01:02 on Feb 24, 2022 |
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Cygni posted:also: Glad to see Intel and AMD both starting to focus on igp performance after years of stagnation. Some day I hope to see my dream of a fanless x86 mba competitor with decent GPU performance come true.
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Isn't memory speed/bandwidth the big limiting factor for iGPUs, and where the M1's design is s massive advantage?
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Insofar as the current crop of x86 devices are still using DDR4, and will probably continue to use DDR4 for another six months at least, yes. Over on Team Red, there have been a few devices here and there that use LPDDR5, most notably of which is the Steam Deck, and is able to use the increased memory bandwidth to flex RDNA2 GPU silicon, whereas LPDDR5 usage for Intel appears to be done purely as part of battery life math. SwissArmyDruid fucked around with this message at 14:28 on Feb 23, 2022 |
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Pablo Bluth posted:Isn't memory speed/bandwidth the big limiting factor for iGPUs, and where the M1's design is s massive advantage? It is, but we're about to see substantial jumps in bandwidth, even with early ddr5 and lpddr5 devices. DDR4 -> DDR5 is a 50% jump at least in mobile space, and lpddr4 -> lppdr5 is going to be at least 20%. If they want to make a huge igpu, they can go wider on the bus as well - like apple did.
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SwissArmyDruid posted:Insofar as the current crop of x86 devices are still using DDR4, and will probably continue to use DDR4 for another six months at least, yes. As far as I know most alder lake mobile stuff is using lpddr5 at this point and at least for the time being Intel's approach to desktop GPU performance is "if you want it, use a dgpu." Their desktop igps are way smaller than the mobile parts and probably can't scale with the bandwidth anyways. For amd I believe with upcoming Rembrandt parts they will be lpddr5 / ddr5 only. No option for ddr4.
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When are we going to get a CPU with a "big" IGP and enough HBMx on the package to make it all work?
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PBCrunch posted:When are we going to get a CPU with a "big" IGP and enough HBMx on the package to make it all work? If it happens it'll be exclusively a laptop part.
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You're not going to get a SOC with HBM outside of something dedicated like a console chip because the primary job of an iGPU is to drive spreadsheets and play youtube and yes, there are going to be incremental upgrades to iGPUs because it just makes sense to use whatever best graphics architecture you have even if you technically could keep using Vega graphics for the use-case, and these incremental upgrades may eventually become competitive with bottom-tier dedicated GPUs against a static workload, but that's more incidental than anything else
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cerious posted:If it happens it'll be exclusively a laptop part. Laptop is where you'd want it anyways. Outside of niche sff applications you can get all the GPU performance you need on desktop with an add in card and things like switchable graphics for idle power or tight power constraints are a non issue, and any part using substantial quantities of hbm2 is probably expensive enough that budget builds are right out anyways. How's the latency on hbm? E: could also bring back edram cache a la broadwell, similar to what amd is doing with infinity cache. VorpalFish fucked around with this message at 18:53 on Feb 23, 2022 |
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Hardware Unboxed tested a Zen3+ laptop with RDNA2 and DDR5 today. Graphics performance looks good for being integrated so more memory bandwidth will probably help.
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gradenko_2000 posted:You're not going to get a SOC with HBM outside of something dedicated like a console chip because the primary job of an iGPU is to drive spreadsheets and play youtube The context of this conversation is a slide for a chiplet based Intel part with a 320eu GPU die which I would argue goes well beyond video playback and spreadsheets. If that's what they're going for they could get away with a much smaller part, modern uarch or not. Similarly if AMD were just using a more modern uarch and wasn't focused on bringing up performance, they could have gotten away with 6cu parts across the board instead of the 12cu parts in the top skus, and it probably would have been cheaper. IGP performance is a big part of their pitch this gen You are probably right about hbm though since between supply of the hbm and designing the interposer it's expensive af.
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https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-radeon-680m-rdna-igpu-outperforms-geforce-mx450-discrete-graphics there are several assertions that I would like to make here, bit do not have the wherewithal to look up Alder Lake specs on mobile to remember exactly what the memory controllers are capable of, but I am confident enough to say this: 96EUs seems like the maximum that Intel designed for, and everything else is binned down, while AMD has CUs to spare, with the R5 6600's cut-down 660M coming out above an i7-12700H in benchmarks. This does not count AMD's future RDNA3 silicon, (these are allegedly RDNA2) nor does it count future Xe revisions, but it does seem that AMD has a lot more headroom to work with before they will run into LP/DDR5's bandwidth limits. At the very least, we appear to have entered an era where iGPUs on both sides are at least as powerful than a 750ti, and for that alone, I am so goddamn happy.
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https://twitter.com/TDaytonPM/status/1496882803492933649 I want an ASRock Rack MiniITX board with one of these for a NAS upgrade  (It will be too pricey for me, sadly)
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priznat posted:https://twitter.com/TDaytonPM/status/1496882803492933649 The way I figure it, you need the SAS HBA daughterboard for storage (either a 8i, 8i8e, or 16e), and integrated LAN is a must on a SoC. Plus, since you're likely dealing with a shitload of disks, you're probably either needing or going to need Reed Solomon error correction unless you fancy losing 50% capacity, which means you need QuickAssist (which also gives you the ability offload compression for things like gzip9).
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:It's kinda wild that out of all the CPUs launched in the Xeon D Ice Lake lineup, only six are any use for any MiniITX NAS I'd consider building. I just realized from that table that they don't have any efficiency cores, which is kind of a shame for something that would be great in a NAS.
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