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Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

im saint germain posted:

I think, if I ever met Jordan Peterson, I'd want to put a nickel in his mouth. I don't know why

where are you going to get a white-hot nickel though?

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DickParasite
Dec 2, 2004


Slippery Tilde

TheScuta 6.66 posted:

Holy poo poo do you have the actual quote/excerpt on this?? That's pretty low even for him.

Trigger Warning - discussion of sexual assault.


quote:


One time a client who I had been seeing for a few months came into my office fn1 for her
scheduled appointment and, after some brief preliminaries, she announced “I think I was raped.”
It is not easy to know how to respond to a statement like that, although there is frequently some
mystery around such events. Often alcohol is involved, as it is in most sexual assault cases.
Alcohol can cause ambiguity. That’s partly why people drink. Alcohol temporarily lifts the
terrible burden of self-consciousness from people. Drunk people know about the future, but they
don’t care about it. That’s exciting. That’s exhilarating. Drunk people can party like there’s no
tomorrow. But, because there is a tomorrow—most of the time—drunk people also get in
trouble. They black out. They go to dangerous places with careless people. They have fun. But
they also get raped. So, I immediately thought something like that might be involved. How else
to understand “I think”? But that wasn’t the end of the story. She added an extra detail: “Five
times.” The first sentence was awful enough, but the second produced something unfathomable.
Five times? What could that possibly mean?

My client told me that she would go to a bar and have a few drinks. Someone would start to
talk with her. She would end up at his place or her place with him. The evening would proceed,
inevitably, to its sexual climax. The next day she would wake up, uncertain about what
happened—uncertain about her motives, uncertain about his motives, and uncertain about the
world. Miss S, we’ll call her, was vague to the point of non-existence. She was a ghost of a
person. She dressed, however, like a professional. She knew how to present herself, for first
appearances. In consequence, she had finagled her way onto a government advisory board
considering the construction of a major piece of transportation infrastructure (even though she
knew nothing about government, advising or construction). She also hosted a local public access radio show dedicated to small business, even though she had never held a real job, and
knew nothing about being an entrepreneur. She had been receiving welfare payments for the
entirety of her adulthood.


...
When she recounted her trips to the singles bars, and their recurring aftermath, I thought a bunch of things
at once. I thought, “You’re so vague and so non-existent. You’re a denizen of chaos and the
underworld.
You are going ten different places at the same time. Anyone can take you by the
hand and guide you down the road of their choosing.”
...

I thought, “Part of you wants to be taken. Part of you wants to be a child. You were abused by
your brothers and ignored by your father and so part of you wants revenge upon men. Part of
you is guilty.
Another part is ashamed. Another part is thrilled and excited. Who are you? What
did you do? What happened?” What was the objective truth? There was no way of knowing the
objective truth.
And there never would be.
...
I thought, “I could simplify Miss S’s life. I could say that her suspicions of rape were fully
justified, and that her doubt about the events was nothing but additional evidence of her
thorough and long-term victimization. I could insist that her sexual partners had a legal
obligation to ensure that she was not too impaired by alcohol to give consent. I could tell her
that she had indisputably been subject to violent and illicit acts, unless she had consented to
each sexual move explicitly and verbally. I could tell her that she was an innocent victim.” I
could have told her all that. And it would have been true.
...
But I also thought, “I could tell Miss S that she is a walking disaster. I could tell her that she
wanders into a bar like a courtesan in a coma, that she is a danger to herself and others, that she
needs to wake up, and that if she goes to singles bars and drinks too much and is taken home
and has rough violent sex (or even tender caring sex), then what the hell does she expect?”
...
If I had been the adherent of a left-wing, social-justice ideology, I would have told her the
first story. If I had been the adherent of a conservative ideology, I would have told her the
second. And her responses after having been told either the first or the second story would have
proved to my satisfaction and hers that the story I had told her was true—completely, irrefutably
true. And that would have been advice.
...
So, I asked her to tell me what she thought, and I listened. She talked a lot.
When we were finished, she still didn’t know if she had been raped, and neither did I. Life is
very complicated.

(editors note: she was definitely raped)

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



TheScuta 6.66 posted:

Holy poo poo do you have the actual quote/excerpt on this?? That's pretty low even for him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHdt_3CczNI&t=500s

thunderspanks
Nov 5, 2003

crucify this


DickParasite posted:

Trigger Warning - discussion of sexual assault.





and I thought he was a headache to listen to

PeterCat
Apr 8, 2020

Believe women.


Accuse your opponents of using the tactics you do. It deflects when they try to say that you're the one actually doing it.

Tarkus
Aug 27, 2000

DickParasite posted:

Trigger Warning - discussion of sexual assault.





lol, he writes exactly as he speaks. I even heard his Kermit voice as I read some of it.

PeterCat
Apr 8, 2020

Believe women.

DickParasite posted:

Trigger Warning - discussion of sexual assault.





He must be talking about a woman who criticized him at some point. He gives enough details about her that a determined person could figure out who he's talking about at the same time attributing things to her that would be embarrassing for her to admit or have to deny.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

That comes pretty close to naming a person directly—is that a crime, or just a breach of ethics? There can’t be too many Torontonians with public-affairs radio shows who are also on local advisory committees.

Batterypowered7
Aug 8, 2009

The mist that chills you keeps me warm.


Lmao, she's reading the excerpt in a Kermit voice.

Who What Now
Sep 10, 2006

by Azathoth

These are the exact videos I was watching when I wrote the post Rupert Buttermilk quoted

Private Cumshoe
Feb 15, 2019

AAAAAAAGAGHAAHGGAH

PeterCat posted:

Accuse your opponents of using the tactics you do. It deflects when they try to say that you're the one actually doing it.

No one will ever notice too because you can't even prove I exist :smug:

Ferdinand Bardamu
Apr 30, 2013

im saint germain posted:

I think, if I ever met Jordan Peterson, I'd want to put a nickel in his mouth. I don't know why

After reading that passage, I'd want to put my fist in there. Knuckle sandwich right to the kisser.

Nice Tuckpointing!
Nov 3, 2005

Of course he describes alcohol like a person who doesn't drink. (eg, me until my mid-20s)

Radical 90s Wizard
Aug 5, 2008

~SS-18 burning bright,
Bathe me in your cleansing light~
"This woman has no skills but she knows how to dress nice I guess" is some gross incel poo poo, loving yuck

Juul-Whip
Mar 10, 2008

here's Peterson approvingly quote tweeting known Nazi Lauren Southern

https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/1494558307981447185

limp dick calvin
Sep 1, 2006

Strepitoso. Vedete? Una meraviglia.
Ouhhhh 18 pages are sooo much my tummy hurts

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



Have you considered it's the cider not the reading?

Dongsturm
Feb 17, 2012
Wait, isn't Lauren Southern the right wing "journalist" who interviewed refugees for hate documentaries about refugees and then threw a public fit when the conservative boys club wouldn't make an exception for her and let her in? I need a bot that can read twitter and automatically tell me who is sucking up to who.

Actually, that's not a bad idea.

Nice Tuckpointing!
Nov 3, 2005

Dongsturm posted:

Wait, isn't Lauren Southern the right wing "journalist" who interviewed refugees for hate documentaries about refugees and then threw a public fit when the conservative boys club wouldn't make an exception for her and let her in? I need a bot that can read twitter and automatically tell me who is sucking up to who.

She sure sounds like a denizen of chaos and the underworld.

Bargearse
Nov 27, 2006

🛑 Don't get your pen🖊️, son, you won't be 👌 needing that 😌. My 🥡 order's 💁 simple😉, a shitload 💩 of dim sims 🌯🀄. And I want a bucket 🪣 of soya sauce☕😋.

Juul-Whip posted:

here's Peterson approvingly quote tweeting known Nazi Lauren Southern

https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/1494558307981447185


Yes, supporting terrorists is generally frowned upon.

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


Put your arms around me,
fiddly digits, itchy britches
I love you all
Look I was only donating up until the planes hit the towers. Nothing illegal had happened yet.

Kevin DuBrow
Apr 21, 2012

The uruk-hai defender has logged on.
The passage about the sexual abuse survivor who had Peterson as her therapist really shows off one of his core skills: never having a position he might have to defend. Everything about his writing indicates that he thinks she's mistaken about her experience. He obviously thinks she wasn't raped, but at the end he goes, "if I were a leftist I would believe her, if I were conservative I would say she's an immature lying slut whose lifestyle disgusts me and she wasn't raped, however I am neither and therefore the truth is in the middle" despite spending most of his time writing about her supposedly degenerate dating life and literally says that she stumbles into bars like a sex worker.

Kevin DuBrow fucked around with this message at 13:37 on Feb 18, 2022

Nice Tuckpointing!
Nov 3, 2005

I remember reading through that chapter waiting for a point that wasn't blame-the-victim along the lines of a drunk father screaming "Why do you force me to beat you?!" to their cowering child. But it never happened. Then he poo poo-talks her CV, her attire and her social life, all while dancing right on the razor's edge of doxxing -- in a New York Times bestseller. What a piece of poo poo.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


Dongsturm posted:

Wait, isn't Lauren Southern the right wing "journalist" who interviewed refugees for hate documentaries about refugees and then threw a public fit when the conservative boys club wouldn't make an exception for her and let her in? I need a bot that can read twitter and automatically tell me who is sucking up to who.

Actually, that's not a bad idea.

She also tried to sink refugee boats with a Nazi group.

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy
Jordan Peterson is a loathsome goblin man

Puppy Time
Mar 1, 2005


If you squint really hard and cross your eyes, you can see the faint outline of actual psychological practice in Jorpy's screed about that poor woman*: She's apparently interacting in a way that might be consistent with people who were socialized to people please and go with what another person says, meaning it's probably extra easy for bad actors to manipulate her. He recognizes the source of this is a lovely early life where her family trained her into this behavior. He even sets his opinion aside and lets her do all the talking, like you're supposed to do as a therapist. Therapists have to be able to set aside their opinions of a client, or else they couldn't treat abusers and other people who do horrible poo poo.

Of course, all that goes flying out the window because he can't help but go on and on about how lovely this woman is and how she's clearly chosen her path in life and hates men and oh by the way readers here's specific details I am Very Ethical.**

It's like he knows how he's supposed to act as a head shrinker, but doesn't understand (and/or respect) why, so he just goes through the motions.

*Way-too-charitably assuming Jorp's reporting things accurately

**There's a very distant possibility he could be making up details to obscure the actual person, but I'm not really inclined to extend the benefit of the doubt given his other behaviors

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

How do you gloss the part where he has contempt for her because she’s not sure if she’s been raped or not? That seems to betray a pretty fundamental judgment about what is or is not rape and what he thinks of the woman, vs a judgment more like “she was the only one of us who was there and so only she can ultimately know that, and maybe she’s looking for a standard of judgment she can use to decide.”

I don’t know—maybe I fundamentally misunderstand what therapy is and the therapist’s position, as I’ve never been one and haven’t read about it.

Who What Now
Sep 10, 2006

by Azathoth
Some people try and put up the lukewarm defense of "well he says some stupid stuff about politics but he's at least a very intelligent and competent clinical psychologist" and no, no he very obviously is not. I sincerely feel awful for all of his patients because it's clear that he doesn't respect his clients or actually give a poo poo about their well being

B-Rock452
Jan 6, 2005
:justflu:

Rupert Buttermilk posted:

I sort of went looking for that, since it was posted and discussed ITT, but instead found this, which was, wow, 101 pages ago...

What was the book where he talked about wanting to beat up a 4 year old who talked back to him cause that was hilarious

Disco Pope
Dec 6, 2004

Top Class!

Tarkus posted:

lol, he writes exactly as he speaks. I even heard his Kermit voice as I read some of it.

I heard his bloody Kermit voice as I read the damned thing.

Who What Now
Sep 10, 2006

by Azathoth

B-Rock452 posted:

What was the book where he talked about wanting to beat up a 4 year old who talked back to him cause that was hilarious


A totally normal human being posted:

I remember taking my daughter to the playground once when she was about two. She was playing on the monkey bars, hanging in mid-air. A particularly provocative little monster of about the same age was standing above her on the same bar she was gripping. I watched him move towards her. Our eyes locked. He slowly and deliberately stepped on her hands, with increasing force, over and over, as he stared me down. He knew exactly what he was doing. Up yours, Daddy-O — that was his philosophy. He had already concluded that adults were contemptible, and that he could safely defy them. (Too bad, then, that he was destined to become one.) That was the hopeless future his parents had saddled him with. To his great and salutary shock, I picked him bodily off the playground structure, and threw him thirty feet down the field.

No, I didn’t. I just took my daughter somewhere else. But it would have been better for him if I had.

This loving loser couldn't even bring himself to stand up to a toddler and he thinks he can talk with authority about masculinity

B-Rock452
Jan 6, 2005
:justflu:

Who What Now posted:

This loving loser couldn't even bring himself to stand up to a toddler and he thinks he can talk with authority about masculinity

Loll that's the one. Here is what I said after a little boy was bothering my 3 year old at the playground

"Hey leave her alone please.". Shockingly he did. How are people so loving broken that you think a 2 year old is being disrespectful

Kung Food
Dec 11, 2006

PORN WIZARD
Even bitcoiners are sick of his poo poo.
https://twitter.com/TheKavernacle/status/1494643729432514603

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer
lol at those somewhat reasonable people that don't realise the polarising has been and gone, ain't no one that isn't a brainwormed dumb gently caress interested in crypto

that poo poo is done, we just don't know who won yet because billionares keep throwing money at it and dragging the whole thing on. It's possible if they keep it going for a few more years all the new young adults with long covid will be more susceptible due to having what is known as "really hosed up brain :("

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


It's wild to me that there are bitcoiners that hated Peterson. Most of the time you gotta buy into all the bullshit.

Blotto_Otter
Aug 16, 2013


B-Rock452 posted:

Loll that's the one. Here is what I said after a little boy was bothering my 3 year old at the playground

"Hey leave her alone please.". Shockingly he did. How are people so loving broken that you think a 2 year old is being disrespectful

it's a shame that little boy will grow up with his belief that you and your kind (adults) are all contemptible, when you could've disabused him of that notion then and there by calmly and politely instructing him to stop picking him bodily off the playground structure and using your big strong muscles to throw him into low earth orbit

e: y'all are taking the piss right, surely this licensed psychologist did not actually write that he wanted to take someone else's 5 year old child at the playground and "throw him thirty feet", right? Right?

Blotto_Otter fucked around with this message at 21:04 on Feb 18, 2022

Who What Now
Sep 10, 2006

by Azathoth

Blotto_Otter posted:

it's a shame that little boy will grow up with his belief that you and your kind (adults) are all contemptible, when you could've disabused him of that notion then and there by calmly and politely instructing him to stop picking him bodily off the playground structure and using your big strong muscles to throw him into low earth orbit

e: y'all are taking the piss right, surely this licensed psychologist did not actually write that he wanted to take someone else's 5 year old child at the playground and "throw him thirty feet", right? Right?

Oh that's not all he said about the subject

It's really not a surprise that his daughter turned out to be a massive freak too

Blotto_Otter
Aug 16, 2013


Who What Now posted:

Oh that's not all he said about the subject

It's really not a surprise that his daughter turned out to be a massive freak too

that cursed link doesn't even get past the headline without jorp projecting his own insecurities

Also, I hereby challenge peterson to a 5-year-old throwing contest, at a time and place (and 5-year-old) of his choosing. Loser has to shut the gently caress up and log off twitter forever.

Lil Swamp Booger Baby
Aug 1, 1981

I think someone said this one before but I thought about it again today and it made me laugh like a mfer haha : Fortran Peterson

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Songbearer
Jul 12, 2007




Fuck you say?
Maybe Jorp is a pro psychiatrist because if I was in a vulnerable state and he told me to kill myself I'd be determined to live my life with a renewed vigour to spite the fucker

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