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Darth TNT posted:I'm going through Mandalorian for the first time. I'm currently at episode 6. It's been an enjoyable romp so far even if it's oddly aimless. There's a very clear aim for the mandalorian: Sell baby yoda merchandise. The xena/hercules comparison is totally apt though, and it's not a bad thing.
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It’s funny though, because as I recall, there was pretty much no official baby Yoda merchandise ready when the show hit, just before Christmas as well. It seemed to me that they had really doubled down on surprising people with him, to the point that they didn’t even tell the sales department. That seems almost impossible for a company like Disney, but I can’t explain the initial lack of plushies and coffee cups any other way. On Palpy talk, I’ve always maintained that it could absolutely work to bring him back, but it was insane to try and do so in the literal first minutes of the final film, instead of the last act of the second. Like, TLJ should end with Kylo, finding some clue on Snoke, leading him to Palpatine, and have his reveal be the climax of that movie. But then that requires them to have a long-term plan for their trilogy so that’s out the window I suppose.
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Feb 18, 2022 10:49
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BigglesSWE posted:It’s funny though, because as I recall, there was pretty much no official baby Yoda merchandise ready when the show hit, just before Christmas as well. It seemed to me that they had really doubled down on surprising people with him, to the point that they didn’t even tell the sales department. That seems almost impossible for a company like Disney, but I can’t explain the initial lack of plushies and coffee cups any other way. There was no Baby Yoba merch at the beginning because Disney thought that The Mandalorian was going to be a flop because after Solo people were tired of Star Wars and no one was going to give a poo poo about Baby Yoda and were wrong spectacularly on both fronts.
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Feb 18, 2022 11:07
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There was no baby Yoda merch because they asked Disney not to produce merchandise before the show started so it wouldn't be leaked and spoil it.
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Feb 18, 2022 11:30
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ONE YEAR LATER posted:There was no baby Yoda merch because they asked Disney not to produce merchandise before the show started so it wouldn't be leaked and spoil it. Yeah, this came up in one of the other Star Wars threads recently (Maybe buried back a bit in this one?), and there was zero official merchandise when the show first started airing. They kinda scrambled to get some cheap t-shirts and mugs or whatever out shortly after it started airing, and bootleg stuff popped up all over, but the show began airing in November 2019 and the first official Baby Yoda toys IIRC didn’t release until the following March.
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ONE YEAR LATER posted:There was no baby Yoda merch because they asked Disney not to produce merchandise before the show started so it wouldn't be leaked and spoil it. Credit to them then because it absolutely worked. People were floored by Grogu when he first showed up and it must’ve been all the more pressure to get hands on the first merch because of it.
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Feb 18, 2022 12:40
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The worst is that now Grogu merch is everywhere and not a drat Mando in sight.
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If they released merch upon launch I assume we may not have the phenomenon of people adopting baby Yoda and building Facebook profiles for them
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Feb 18, 2022 13:34
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BigglesSWE posted:Credit to them then because it absolutely worked. People were floored by Grogu when he first showed up and it must’ve been all the more pressure to get hands on the first merch because of it. BDH has talked about how she had to make sure her kid didn't squeal to their friends about the character.
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I'm struggling to remember the last film score (not just Star Wars) that actually had that John Williams magic. Probably Revenge of the Sith? Nothing he's done since then has hit the same way.
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Feb 18, 2022 14:59
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Phantom Menace and Duel of the Fates was his last Magnum Opus for me. His other stuff after that is fine but doesn’t have the same impact, in my dumb internet opinion. But I’m curious to see what he does for Obi.
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Feb 18, 2022 15:04
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A few of the pieces from TFA (and to a lesser extent TLJ) are good but as a whole they weren't up to his previous work. And I can't remember a single piece of new music from RoS.
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Cartoon Man posted:Phantom Menace and Duel of the Fates was his last Magnum Opus for me. His other stuff after that is fine but doesn’t have the same impact, in my dumb internet opinion. This insult to Across the Stars will not stand
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Feb 18, 2022 15:10
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feedmyleg posted:This insult to Across the Stars will not stand Totally. It's a shame it wasn't written for a less gross love story. Battle of the Heroes slaps so hard for me. It sells the Mustafar fight as an exciting, climactic battle all on its own. It edges Fates for me.
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Feb 18, 2022 15:14
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stev posted:I wish we saw the failed Palpy clones, like that bit in Alien Resurrection.
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stev posted:Totally. It's a shame it wasn't written for a less gross love story. It’s such an apocalyptic fight, I go back and watch it every now and again  RotS had some drat good moments, and also declared right out of the gate that it had no fucks to give. Decapitation less than 10min in? Sure, gently caress it! Later, Anakin force choking his pregnant wife? Even the implication of Anakin killing all That movie went some dark places, not just for Star Wars but overall.
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Feb 18, 2022 15:30
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Williams did do the main theme for Solo and I liked it. The John Powell soundtrack for the rest of the film was also good but The Adventures of Han Solo slaps hard. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVfjzACrzFo
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Cartoon Man posted:Phantom Menace and Duel of the Fates was his last Magnum Opus for me. His other stuff after that is fine but doesn’t have the same impact, in my dumb internet opinion. But I’m curious to see what he does for Obi. Rey's theme is quite lovely, but off my head I can't remember any other themes from the sequel trilogy. Very curious to see how the Obi theme will come out.
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Dave Syndrome posted:Rey's theme is quite lovely, but off my head I can't remember any other themes from the sequel trilogy. Very curious to see how the Obi theme will come out. I like Rey’s theme, but mostly because parts of it sound like something that snuck out of the Interstellar soundtrack (which was…er…stellar  )
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Feb 18, 2022 16:31
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Dave Syndrome posted:Rey's theme is quite lovely, but off my head I can't remember any other themes from the sequel trilogy. Very curious to see how the Obi theme will come out. Yeah Rey's theme's nice. I suppose I associate good John Williams themes with sweeping scores that dominate a scene - whereas Rey's theme adds some nice background texture.
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Feb 18, 2022 16:39
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I like the mournful downward feel of Kylo Ren's theme.
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Karloff posted:I like the mournful downward feel of Kylo Ren's theme. Oh hell yeah. Kylo’s theme is great.
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One of his most overlooked soundtracks has got to be War Horse. The music in that movie is phenomenal. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdzaRwcCc38 Appropriately it sounds most like his Phantom Menace and Harry Potter music, which are definitely his best scores. Williams is still a fantastic composer and I think a big reason why his sequel trilogy stuff isn't as memorable is because there isn't as much new material. There are way, way too many callbacks to the OT soundtracks that make it feel derivative rather than revolutionary. If you listen to the Prequel soundtracks it's pretty amazing how little of the original music is actually in them as opposed to the new compositions. Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 18:18 on Feb 18, 2022 |
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Feb 18, 2022 18:13
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The Resistance March, Rey's Theme, and Kylo's theme are all great. The track from TLJ where they are racing the fathiers across the night has a really great old school ETish vibe to it, which I really liked when seeing it in theaters.
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Each track from the sequels is individually good, but nothing really sticks after you’ve left. Ludwig’s stuff for the shows is much more memorable because the scenes are. Everyone remembers the Imperial March playing for Darth Vader. Who remembers what plays when Kylo shows up somewhere?
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Oh I forgot that chase scene, yeah I recall listening to that track a lot. Also yeah, Ludwig has proven to be quite the find for the tv-shows. Both Mando and Boba has great themes. And it must be said, the changes made to the last episodes of the latter was a nice touch.
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Ludwig and Shirley have been pumping out great stuff for the TV shows and I liked most of John Powell's stuff in Solo. The reason they stick so well is because they're new but still star wars. That's a hard line to walk. Michael Giachinno's music for Rogue One was still the biggest letdown. Three weeks isn't enough time to make a good score from scratch so it sounded like a fanfilm soundtrack. I'd like to see Mark Griskey or Jesse Harlin come back for more Star Wars. Kotor 2 has a beautifully eerie score and Jesse Harlin did Republic Commando, which is full of Mandalorian chants and war songs.
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I did appreciate the “Death Star theme” callback in Rogue One. But Giacchino’s best work lately is with Pixar. Incredibles 2 is, well, incredible.
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Arc Hammer posted:Ludwig and Shirley have been pumping out great stuff for the TV shows and I liked most of John Powell's stuff in Solo. The reason they stick so well is because they're new but still star wars. That's a hard line to walk. I think he poured his effort into a single scene: when Vader arrives in his ISD and starts wrecking the entire rebel fleet, up until he’s watching the Tantive IV drop out of the hangar. The music there fits near-perfect.
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Icon Of Sin posted:I think he poured his effort into a single scene: when Vader arrives in his ISD and starts wrecking the entire rebel fleet, up until he’s watching the Tantive IV drop out of the hangar. The music there fits near-perfect. it wasnt the most original score, but I actually quite like Rogue One's score alot. "Jyn Erso & Hope Suite" which IIRC is when jyn is getting blowed up is really great. There is that wavy kind of motif that is the predominant "rogue one" theme in there. The Imperial Suite when vader is butchering everyone is obviously good. I like The Master Switch which is playing during the intense everyone is getting rekt act 3 bits. Beyond that I just love the alternate takes on classic star wars themes he has, like the bassoon star wars theme when they are flying out from Y4 to Jedha. The Jedha tracks were cool though not necessarily memorable. For the short time he had I think he did a fine job. I would have loved to see what he'd have done with a few more months though.
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stev posted:Totally. It's a shame it wasn't written for a less gross love story. I can hear part of Battles of the Heroes in my head and it's an awesome track
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Rogue One score is fantastic. As mentioned above, Hope Suite and the following scene with the Devastator arriving and Vader wrecking poo poo are the highlights. Just very beautiful and with a hint of optimism, but mournful and hopeless at the same time. Really sells the whole ending sequence. But I really like the rest of the score— Eadu, Rogue One, Scrambling the Fleet, the not-Imperial March, and Your Father Would be Proud are good too.
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stev posted:Battle of the Heroes slaps so hard for me. It sells the Mustafar fight as an exciting, climactic battle all on its own. It edges Fates for me. Anakin vs Obi-Wan (Or Heroes Collide if you're going off the cue titles) is fantastic, and segues into The Boys Continue and Battle of the Heroes wonderfully 
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chitoryu12 posted:Each track from the sequels is individually good, but nothing really sticks after you’ve left. Ludwig’s stuff for the shows is much more memorable because the scenes are. Raises hand. Also not really a fair comparison. "Hey, which is better, this well beloved 40 year old track or this six year old track from maligned movies?" And like others have said, Jedi Steps and Rey's theme have both stuck with me as some of the noteworthy ST themes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUBUlKgsNK8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65As1V0vQDM The second half of The Spark is also a stand out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHb9T6WvvW0 TROS is a bit of a mess, I'm not sure there's any stand out new stuff in there. Being the end of the trilogy, Williams seems to have really purposefully leaned on hearkening back to old themes. Rogue One also has a lot of great stuff. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qemb3iBlp1o And for those interested, last week they finally released a new digital version of the soundtrack with an expanded score and alternate cues. Also some love for Solo's Cloud Riders theme. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8N5Lzq-F0qk
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"Meet Han" and "Corellia Chase" from Solo are pretty good too
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Mandrel posted:ok draw it But if you want to go do your own loving homework, go anywhere people hate Star Wars prequels and sequels (you won't have to look far) and mention that anything — literally anything, including use of the N word — is racist, and just watch how people react.
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Teek posted:Raises hand. Also not really a fair comparison. "Hey, which is better, this well beloved 40 year old track or this six year old track from maligned movies?" Rose has a nice theme in TLJ as well
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I also really love the Kessel Run theme from Solo and how it blends in elements of both the TIE fighter attack theme from ANH and the asteroid theme from ESB.
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Powell also did a fun propaganda-y version of the Imperial March for that recruitment ad that Han sees in the spaceport https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayFAqdRgf3E
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