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It cracks me up how horny this game is.
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Feb 20, 2022 04:29
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I do hate that all the murdering and horniness is apparently a big selling point of this game. As near as the historical record can tell us, it's such a rare thing to ever matter; I honestly think the game would be better off if the Intrigue lifestyle was straight up removed.
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Feb 20, 2022 06:16
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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Is there a way to not have independence rebellions invariably on succession? It's like clockwork. I can't even get hooks up as a new ruler before they fire. Same with Dread, which starts at 0 even if I have artifacts, and has to tick up. I can put them down without too much trouble, but it's ... a chore? What should I be doing to avoid this? alcaras fucked around with this message at 06:29 on Feb 20, 2022 |
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Feb 20, 2022 06:22
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PittTheElder posted:I do hate that all the murdering and horniness is apparently a big selling point of this game. As near as the historical record can tell us, it's such a rare thing to ever matter; I honestly think the game would be better off if the Intrigue lifestyle was straight up removed. I do think that this is one of those cases where historical accuracy was sacrificed in favor of "popular conception of history" That, or just "look, we know our players, they're gonna be horny"
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Feb 20, 2022 06:50
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alcaras posted:Is there a way to not have independence rebellions invariably on succession? It's like clockwork. I can't even get hooks up as a new ruler before they fire. Same with Dread, which starts at 0 even if I have artifacts, and has to tick up. Here is a checklist of things you can try that worked for me. It is all about keeping the most powerful vassals on positive opinion so they won't join any factions. 1. Always keep an eye out for early betrothal/marriage for reasons other than eugenics. Selecting the kid of a relatively young but powerful vassal is a good way of ensuring a high probability of having an alliance right off the bat upon succession. This has several benefits. First you get an alliance with a powerful vassal with your current ruler. Second your ruler croaks, your heir already has a marriage set up meaning the chances for getting an alliance with that vassal (who is still alive) should be good. 2. Land your kids early and often. While a lot of folks here hate having their AI heirs do stupid poo poo, landing them when they are 16 lets them start building their lifestyle tree so that when they take over the throne, they already have skills in those trees. The AI actually does a decent job of picking traits that suppress factionalism. For example, military lifestyle AI usually will get the Overseer tree and have "Hard Rule" which increases the threshold needed to fire off a faction rebellion. The Administrator tree in Stewardship offers opinion bonuses to vassals and council members. It isn't a guarantee but having an heir come into power without any lifestyle xp is rough. 3. Save enough money when your current ruler is older so you can pass it off to your heir. You can use it to make a feast right away, hand out cash, or hire mercs. 4. Being able to fire a feast off immediately adds +20 opinion across the board which usually is enough to wipe out short reign penalties on the spot. You might also get the chance to 'make friends' which keeps them out of factions so if you get the chance to do so with a powerful vassal, it's usually a good idea to take it. 4. Ready to start handing out wads of cash. If you can't hand out cash, give them one of the many artifacts that is cluttering your inventory screen. 5. Immediately target a powerful vassal with the "Sway" scheme. Successful sways are +25 opinion per event and this bonus erodes very slowly. You can only do one scheme at a time but if it keeps one of your most powerful vassals out of the faction, then it's worth it. 6. Be prepared to lower crown authority. Autonomous vassals immediately give +10 opinion score to every vassal. You can always raise it back up once short reign malus has stabilized. 7. Before handing powerful vassals a council job, make sure that the 50 point swing is actually going to make a difference. That -75 opinion guy is probably a lost cause. You should give that guy absolutely nothing and spread the money and positions out to vassals where you can pump their opinion, in the short term, to 65 or higher. One rear end in a top hat alone can't cause trouble, but you need to build a big enough vassal team so that they can never fire off the rebellion event. 8. In a pinch, if there are a lot of vassals who have positive on the ledger but are still in a faction that has the potential to rebel, consider adding them to the court position payroll for an additional +10 opinon to get them over the 80+ opinion hump. You can also score 10-15 opinion points by renegotiating feudal terms to lower their taxes and also surrender certain rights such as revocation. 9. Finally keep up good relations with your vassals when your ruler is entering the danger zone. Your heir inherits 20% of your current ruler's positive opinion and 50% of your ruler's negative opinion. Having an extra 10-15 opinion points for your heir might be what tips those vassals from rebelling no matter how hard you try or keeping them out of factions entirely so troublemakers can never round up enough levy strength to fire off the event.
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Feb 20, 2022 07:23
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DivineCoffeeBinge posted:I do think that this is one of those cases where historical accuracy was sacrificed in favor of "popular conception of history" Yeah I agree with that. To use a crappy analogy there's lots of Game of Thrones stuff going on, because that's what people think history times were like, despite, you know, GRRM being completely full of poo poo and basing his societies on played out caricatures. Maybe I'm the weird one for thinking actual history is more interesting than historical fiction and/or meme history.
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Feb 20, 2022 08:27
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DivineCoffeeBinge posted:I do think that this is one of those cases where historical accuracy was sacrificed in favor of "popular conception of history" 
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Feb 20, 2022 08:41
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i would say the sacrifice comes more from a place of leaning into the roleplaying elements than like, going off of a popular conception of history? sure a good chunk of players probably want to play tricky tricksters because they watched game of thrones, but i feel like even if that series was never popular a lot of people would like to do that anyway just because its a character type people would like to rp as in this game.
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Feb 20, 2022 08:48
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PittTheElder posted:Maybe I'm the weird one for thinking actual history is more interesting than historical fiction and/or meme history. No, not at all. My biggest wish is that they include more of the world while keeping it balanced for the game.
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Feb 20, 2022 09:10
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Ah gently caress, you know what, this sucks. How do I get allied armies to not constantly follow me, they're destroying themselves and I by draining supplies everywhere.
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Feb 20, 2022 12:00
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If I can’t cuckold all my vassals and all the other kings and some randos and eventually have to marry all my kids off to folks from other continents because everyone becomes secretly related to them at some point is there even a point in playing?
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Feb 20, 2022 13:44
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PittTheElder posted:I do hate that all the murdering and horniness is apparently a big selling point of this game. As near as the historical record can tell us, it's such a rare thing to ever matter; I honestly think the game would be better off if the Intrigue lifestyle was straight up removed. It's historical drama. People love the werewolves and poo poo too because it's better storytelling than debates over town charters
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Feb 20, 2022 14:42
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PittTheElder posted:I do hate that all the murdering and horniness is apparently a big selling point of this game. As near as the historical record can tell us, it's such a rare thing to ever matter; I honestly think the game would be better off if the Intrigue lifestyle was straight up removed.  Edit: Oh wait I thought this was a brilliant troll but you're serious. Can't like 75% of human history be explained as horniness gone awry? GoodluckJonathan fucked around with this message at 17:31 on Feb 20, 2022 |
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Feb 20, 2022 15:50
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This focus on cultures is just reminding me of how there are barely any clothes in the game, everyone from like, the seljuks to the han chinese are all just dressed in mongolian clothes and it's sorta super jarring...
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Feb 20, 2022 16:11
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Buschmaki posted:This focus on cultures is just reminding me of how there are barely any clothes in the game, everyone from like, the seljuks to the han chinese are all just dressed in mongolian clothes and it's sorta super jarring... It'll probably be sold as a silk road flavour pack. After movie night and fitness flavour packs of course.
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Feb 20, 2022 16:21
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Buschmaki posted:This focus on cultures is just reminding me of how there are barely any clothes in the game, everyone from like, the seljuks to the han chinese are all just dressed in mongolian clothes and it's sorta super jarring... Yeah, there's mods in the workshop that and I find them pretty much mandatory
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Feb 20, 2022 16:55
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Ugh I want my current guy to die already. My heir has better traits and my current guy is craven and shy, which makes a bunch of things hard to do without overloading on stress. At least I managed to get out of faction hell by putting one down and revoking titles to give to my kids.
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Feb 20, 2022 18:21
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Overload on stress and die
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Feb 20, 2022 18:23
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MikeC posted:Here is a checklist of things you can try that worked for me. It is all about keeping the most powerful vassals on positive opinion so they won't join any factions. Thank you! I do most of those things, but now that I’m a multicultural empire spanning half of Europe, they don’t work or there are just too many vassals. In real time terms it’s just faster to put down the inevitable rebellion, I just wish I didn’t have to. Not sure how to mitigate inheritance rebellions for giant realms.
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Feb 20, 2022 18:45
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Omnicarus posted:Overload on stress and die I got my wish and he died like a year later anyway, but I have to remember the stress trick.
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Feb 20, 2022 18:48
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Buschmaki posted:This focus on cultures is just reminding me of how there are barely any clothes in the game, everyone from like, the seljuks to the han chinese are all just dressed in mongolian clothes and it's sorta super jarring... I wouldn't mind a few more hats, either. Maybe some helmets? There's like one Norse helmet, since the chainmail one doesn't actually put one on you.
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Feb 20, 2022 19:16
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You can give away artifacts and then start a war over getting the artifact back. Right. Who wants my Sponge on a Stick?
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Feb 20, 2022 19:24
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The official forums are really bad aren't they? https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/gameplay-reccomendation-transition-character-decision.1512269/
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Feb 20, 2022 20:51
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So are all you people saying "just get your powerful vassals to like you and you'll be fine, ez" playing a different game/patch than me?! I just had a really fun game (united all the Iberian peninsula and conquered Aquitaine, pushing for the Avenge Tours decision and was 1 county shy) when my emperor died. Next guy up, decent, not great, no red flags in terms of bad traits or stats, but just okay. But ah, this time I'm READY! When the first faction springs up I spend literally a thousand gold giving gifts to everyone who was contributing more than 10% military strength to the "install some loving jackass cousin of mine who has never led so much as a county and who is an adulterous kinslaying drunkard" faction and got their opinions of me up to +100. Also slammed a feast immediately for that sweet sweet bonus. Doesn't matter. None of them leave the faction in the 9 months it takes to fire an ultimatum. Not a single one. So of course when the rebellion happens it has waaaay more military strength than I do, and I promptly enter the "oh, you just lost a war and are now only a king instead of an emperor? Time to do another install claimant war!" loop when I get beaten and drop down a tier. Fast forward a year, I'm broke foolishly trying to pay off all my old vassals, another claimant faction rebellion I can't stop or fight, another guaranteed loss. Fast forward another year, you guessed it, another claimant war unavoidably lost, and now I'm a lovely county in Majorca with over a thousand gold in debt, no chance of paying anything off in the lifetime of me, my kid, or grandkids, and the game is effectively over as I watch helplessly as Emperor Brainless ruins everything. I literally don't understand why people keep saying vassals with high opinion will leave factions if they like you, because I have *never* seen that happen. And they form factions immediately on death of the old guy, so I have no time to try to frantically bribe them before the death star factions form. What are you all doing that I'm not!? Mukaikubo fucked around with this message at 21:14 on Feb 20, 2022 |
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Feb 20, 2022 21:12
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Mukaikubo posted:So are all you people saying "just get your powerful vassals to like you and you'll be fine, ez" playing a different game/patch than me?! Toplowtech fucked around with this message at 21:24 on Feb 20, 2022 |
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Feb 20, 2022 21:21
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I think the breakpoint for not joining factions is 80, and vassals cant join a faction against you if you're in an alliance, which makes characters that practice polygamy (or even concubinage just for the extra kids) absurdly stable.
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Feb 20, 2022 21:45
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Mukaikubo posted:I literally don't understand why people keep saying vassals with high opinion will leave factions if they like you, because I have *never* seen that happen. And they form factions immediately on death of the old guy, so I have no time to try to frantically bribe them before the death star factions form. What are you all doing that I'm not!? Maybe you just overexpanded without enough of a power base behind it? Maybe you aren't being smart enough with your marriages to force powerful vassals into alliances? I don't know. Giant empires on the scale you describe regularly break up in that time period and last no more than one or two generations. It is naturally more difficult the larger your realm is. Similar to the other guy who had a Europe-spanning empire. The game tries to model this and does it reasonably well in my opinion. I am not sure what you are expecting. But I am pretty sure anything up to your first natural empire title is pretty easy to keep together without rebellions on succession as long as keep opinions high and marry your kids off properly to keep alliance ties within the realm strong.
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Feb 20, 2022 21:53
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MikeC posted:Maybe you just overexpanded without enough of a power base behind it? Maybe you aren't being smart enough with your marriages to force powerful vassals into alliances? I don't know. Giant empires on the scale you describe regularly break up in that time period and last no more than one or two generations. It is naturally more difficult the larger your realm is. Similar to the other guy who had a Europe-spanning empire. The game tries to model this and does it reasonably well in my opinion. I am not sure what you are expecting. But I am pretty sure anything up to your first natural empire title is pretty easy to keep together without rebellions on succession as long as keep opinions high and marry your kids off properly to keep alliance ties within the realm strong. I hear what you're saying. My own complaint is a little more narrowly focused- I thought that vassals that loved me (+100 opinion) not just wouldn't *join* new factions, but would also *leave* factions that were gearing up to rebel. This doesn't seem to be the case, despite what I've seen here and elsewhere, and I'm a little grumpy that I just lost a fun game because I was following a plausible-but-incorrect strategy for avoiding the inevitable hellwars that follow succession. What you and the few folks above are pointing out are other ways to go about it that I'll try the next time I feel like flushing however many hours down the toilet with a new game. (I'm too much of an achievements addict to not play ironman, which... yeah. Makes everything worse.  )
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Feb 20, 2022 21:56
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Also if you're facing down that level of opposition, just surrender. You can always turn around and form your own claimant faction 6 months later. There's no sense bankrupting yourself on a lost cause, especially when the game makes it so easy to undermine your liege.
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Feb 20, 2022 22:20
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Picked this up and am having fun with it. Joined four crusades and three of them were lost because the idiot Pope and his pals decided to march through Iraq and sail up the Red Sea only to get owned immediately upon landing. The fourth one was successful and I decided to see how things in Outremer pan out but that sure was a weird way to get started.
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Feb 20, 2022 22:28
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DaysBefore posted:Picked this up and am having fun with it. Joined four crusades and three of them were lost because the idiot Pope and his pals decided to march through Iraq and sail up the Red Sea only to get owned immediately upon landing. The fourth one was successful and I decided to see how things in Outremer pan out but that sure was a weird way to get started. yeah i've seen this happening too. everyone's too scared to head towards syria or the levant so they end up pathing waaaaay east i guess. i miss ck2 crusades
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Feb 20, 2022 22:45
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Is there a bug with the "Possible side effect" councilor events triggering? I can't recall getting any since the DLC came out, both positive or negative.
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Feb 20, 2022 23:27
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Fuligin posted:yeah i've seen this happening too. everyone's too scared to head towards syria or the levant so they end up pathing waaaaay east i guess. i miss ck2 crusades Mine mostly seem to have people land their boats in Jerusalem, but since no one lands at the same time, they all get greeted by a 20k army and wiped out immediately. I’ve definitely had to learn the faction game. Had to put one down and then revoked titles to give out to my kids. The occasional marriage alliance helps too. Slightly funny moment in my current game, the Holy Roman Empire has been reduced to one county, but the guy in charge is still called Emperor. I’m like third in line to inherit it and there’s an election going on. Very worth my time. Bird in a Blender fucked around with this message at 23:57 on Feb 20, 2022 |
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Feb 20, 2022 23:27
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Bird in a Blender posted:Mine mostly seem to have people land their boats in Jerusalem, but since no one lands at the same time, they all get greeted by a 20k army and wiped out immediately. If all the things they need to teach the AI about war, "land a few provinces away from your target to group up and wait out the landing penalty" may be the biggest. It's bizarre, because I feel like they already had this working in CK2.
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Feb 20, 2022 23:59
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wukkar posted:Is there a bug with the "Possible side effect" councilor events triggering? I can't recall getting any since the DLC came out, both positive or negative. yes: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/ck-iii-missing-council-marshal-events-more.1510618/#post-28075618 somebody even wrote a fix on the forums you can apply yourself by editing a text file but for some reason it takes paradox weeks to roll that out
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I randomly inherited the HRE (or what was left of it anyway), awesome. Lots of nice stuff from their court including the throne of Charlemagne  Thanks to this I kept up my diplovassalizing spree and now own half of Europe including mega-Bohemia and various other kingdoms (lotharingia, Bavaria) all under the empire of Italia and hre. I am about to die at 88 and I guess it will be fun for my chosen heir to sort out the mess considering he's not going to inherit the HRE by the looks of it. Also for the love of God if I get another world class inspired character making me a +0.1 prestige goblet I am so going to throw him/her in the dungeon
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Tatsuta Age posted:yes: It might be tied to the fact that CK 3 is on Xbox PC gamepass and now patches have to be pushed through Microsoft's end as well for verification. They may try to bundle fixes and feature updates all in one because of this. Age of Empires 4 has similar issues where blindingly obvious bugs are left unfixed for weeks on end before they are packaged as part of a patch and pushed through. Naturally, Microsoft isn't going to appreciate its customers being behind on patches. Nor are they in the business of slamming numerous patches through it seems.
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MikeC posted:It might be tied to the fact that CK 3 is on Xbox PC gamepass and now patches have to be pushed through Microsoft's end as well for verification. They may try to bundle fixes and feature updates all in one because of this. Age of Empires 4 has similar issues where blindingly obvious bugs are left unfixed for weeks on end before they are packaged as part of a patch and pushed through. Naturally, Microsoft isn't going to appreciate its customers being behind on patches. Nor are they in the business of slamming numerous patches through it seems. How are you supposed to fight crusades? I have enough troops, its just supply runs out and then I'm wiped out. I guess a broader way of putting this is what do I do about supplies? Splitting an empires army into 9 provinces gets annoying.
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You run an army of Terminator MaA that's small enough to fit under the supply limit so you don't have to split them up, or you split them up (if you play up in the tribal north you have no other choice really).Bird in a Blender posted:Mine mostly seem to have people land their boats in Jerusalem, but since no one lands at the same time, they all get greeted by a 20k army and wiped out immediately. Yeah the whole Crusade implementation of Pope Declares War, Everybody Wings It is not great. It's one of the reasons we so badly need a Roman Empire DLC; the whole First Crusade doesn't even make any sense without a hostile polity of some sort in Anatolia to disrupt the pilgrimage routes (and political chaos in the Levant, and a reformist Pope) which never happens even from the 1066 start. I'd love to see a system where the Crusaders rendezvous at Constantinople and actually interact with the Emperor and fight across Anatolia before heading down the coast (and setup the full suite of Crusader States, rather than just Jerusalem).
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