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Sir Bobert Fishbone posted:My Russian is horrifically bad but Putin seems to be making a case for why Ukraine's entire existence as a sovereign nation is essentially a paperwork error? Yes, he's been saying that since Bush. Ukraine is a territory to Putin, not a country. His government and he has been very clear on that.
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Answers Me posted:Isn’t that… basically true though? (I’m sure my ‘basically’ is doing a fuckton of legwork there, but still) That the borders of the former USSR reflect soviet nationality policy? Yes. But why change it? There are borders in Europe based on Protestant/Catholic divides from 400 years ago, no one wants to "fix them"
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QuoProQuid posted:listening to putin argue that ukraine is a construct created by lenin and growing increasingly alarmed
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GABA ghoul posted:Something isn't right, that's not the unhinged ramblings of someone who only wants to take Donbas This is a guy who's heart was broken by what happened to his country in the 90's and is absolutely on a mission to put the world back together.
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CommieGIR posted:Yes, he's been saying that since Bush. Yeah, I guess it just hits different when it's on live TV with a couple hundred thousand soldiers ready to defend that thesis.
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Answers Me posted:Isn’t that… basically true though? (I’m sure my ‘basically’ is doing a fuckton of legwork there, but still) Possibly, but so what? It's an independent nation now, regardless of how it came into being.
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Deteriorata posted:Possibly, but so what? It's an independent nation now, regardless of how it came into being. FSB?? FSB??? FSB?????
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Deteriorata posted:Possibly, but so what? It's an independent nation now, regardless of how it came into being. i think one or two things related to Ukraine (re: whether or not it is allowed to be an independent nation) may have happened prior to it joining the Soviet Union in 1922, also
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The full extent of the USSR is Historical Russia. Yes. Hmm. Of course.
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Grouchio posted:...Why? Did this not occur to you three months ago? Because this is the kind of thing you do before you say "hitherto the children were allowed to play, but now it's time for adults in the room to show that the binds of history cannot be simply broken" and declare holy crusade against Ivano-Frankivsk.
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eke out posted:i think one or two things related to Ukraine (re: whether or not it is allowed to be an independent nation) may have happened prior to it joining the Soviet Union in 1922, also Yeah I'm surprised he's not blaming it on Germany instead of Lenin.
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Clancy chat cabal, this is the moment where you're supposed to start melting down about global thermonuclear war, not when Zakharova makes a mean tweet while nothing is happening.
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Lenin's nationalist policy wasn't inventing peoples wholecloth, it was dividing up the Russian Empire territories to try and make it so the larger minority groups had some kind of autonomy that wouldn't be totally dominated by the main demographic (Russians) Saying Ukraine only exists because of those policies is like saying Wales only started existing in 1998 or something.
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Probably not too much of a ClancyChat stretch to say that Ukraine, Belarus, Moldova all in pretty real danger of not existing relatively soon.
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FishBulbia posted:That the borders of the former USSR reflect soviet nationality policy? Yes. Well, not no one.
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idly wondering how the residents of the former Grand Duchy of Finland, whose independence was granted by none less than V Lenin himself, feel about current events
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CommieGIR posted:Yes, he's been saying that since Bush. Ukraine is a territory to Putin, not a country. His government and he has been very clear on that. Unlike the noble nation state of  Sir Bobert Fishbone posted:Probably not too much of a ClancyChat stretch to say that Ukraine, Belarus, Moldova all in pretty real danger of not existing relatively soon. Realistically I wouldn't go that far, e.g. Belarus is already firmly in Putin's pocket with military and trade unions. Moldova is not relevant to Russia except as to prevent them from joining Nato. Ukraine, well, if Russia forcibly annexes all the parts with a Russian majority then he's already pretty much done with his goals. Nenonen fucked around with this message at 20:09 on Feb 21, 2022 |
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ronya posted:idly wondering how the residents of the former Grand Duchy of Finland, whose independence was granted by none less than V Lenin himself, feel about current events Probably filling out the NATO application right now.
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Sir Bobert Fishbone posted:Probably not too much of a ClancyChat stretch to say that Ukraine, Belarus, Moldova all in pretty real danger of not existing relatively soon. Belarus has already subordinated itself, and Putin doesn't really gain much more from outright annexing it, while creating more problems for himself. I don't think Lukashenko has anything to worry about.
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Sir Bobert Fishbone posted:Probably not too much of a ClancyChat stretch to say that Ukraine, Belarus, Moldova all in pretty real danger of not existing relatively soon. Eh, Belarus is effectively already in Putin's pocket and he demonstrated that this last week. Putin doesn't have to do anything there and keeping them as a puppet state is more advantageous anyways.
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Sir Bobert Fishbone posted:Probably not too much of a ClancyChat stretch to say that Ukraine, Belarus, Moldova all in pretty real danger of not existing relatively soon.
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What, you dont just love leader of a nuclear power whining about very bigly unfair Brest Treaty and traitorous commies on national tv in 2022
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The real Belarus question is if we're getting an American air base in Suwalki gap.
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we now have what, 6 partially recognized states in the former USSR?
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This is not a limited objectives speech. This is also not a speech given by anyone who has advisors willing to challenge him.
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https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1495836950145933313 it is funny how the 'it's all about NATO' posters seem to be contradicted by one Vladimir Putin's ongoing rant about the illegitimacy of the very idea that Ukraine is a state
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GABA ghoul posted:Holy loving poo poo, this is insane. Watch his speech, dude lost his mind I don't know guys after listening to this I'm starting to have a suspicion that Russia wants to invade Ukraine
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FishBulbia posted:we now have what, 6 partially recognized states in the former USSR? LNR, DNR, Osettia, Abkhazia, Artsakh, and Transnistria, yeah.
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fatherboxx posted:What, you dont just love leader of a nuclear power whining about very bigly unfair Brest Treaty and traitorous commies on national tv in 2022 When will Biden's bloodlust be sateded????
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Kangxi posted:This speech is loving deranged Thanks, I haven't looked at many Putin speeches like that and yeah, this sounds pretty unhinged at first glance. At least I know I'm not alone lol.
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Kangxi posted:This speech is loving deranged (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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FishBulbia posted:we now have what, 6 partially recognized states in the former USSR? 1. Transnistria 2. Luhansk 3. Donetsk 4. Abkhazia 5. South Ossetia 6. Artsakh Yeah seems right. Though Artsakh isn't really a Russian client.
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Alchenar posted:This is not a limited objectives speech. This is also not a speech given by anyone who has advisors willing to challenge him. Maybe they'll use it to play Good Cop, Bad Cop but this isn't rhetoric Lavrov would've approved of.
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Grape posted:1. Transnistria It now is, since it only exists due to a Russian peacekeeping force there, since the Azerbaijan-Armenia war of last year.
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eke out posted:https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1495836950145933313 Putin was left no choice but to declare the backstory of his D&D 5e campaign on TV.
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Conspiratiorist posted:Maybe they'll use it to play Good Cop, Bad Cop but this isn't rhetoric Lavrov would've approved of. I suspect Lavrov fears every staircase and window he passes.
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