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Grapplejack: Nov 27, 2007

Bad news for Mongolia

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Hatebag: Jun 17, 2008

It's all a ploy, now that everyone is looking at ukraine putin is going to invade Kazakhstan and crown himself czar!!!

# ? Feb 21, 2022 20:17

Lostconfused: Oct 1, 2008

Raskolnikov38 posted:

lol what the hell happened that we went from him not signing the recognition papers and talking about a summit with biden to putting all former parts of the russian empire on notice in a day

Yeah this poo poo is pretty wild.

# ? Feb 21, 2022 20:17

indigi: Jul 20, 2004; Can't post for 5 hours!

Raskolnikov38 posted:

what does this even mean lol

full annexation of Ukraine is the implication I believe

# ? Feb 21, 2022 20:17

spacemang_spliff: Nov 29, 2014; wide pickle

mistermojo posted:

hes going to take Alaska back

good

# ? Feb 21, 2022 20:17

Mantis42: Jul 26, 2010

Oh great, now he's just recounting his EU4 campaign.

# ? Feb 21, 2022 20:18

Cpt_Obvious: Jun 18, 2007

Sounds like Putin is calling the bluff, pounding the war drum as hard as the West.

# ? Feb 21, 2022 20:18

Dr Kool-AIDS: Mar 26, 2004

mistermojo posted:

hes going to take Alaska back

I'm glad

# ? Feb 21, 2022 20:18

Man Musk: Jan 13, 2010

Hatebag posted:

It's all a ploy, now that everyone is looking at ukraine putin is going to invade Kazakhstan and crown himself czar!!!

That literally already happened, last month, lol

# ? Feb 21, 2022 20:19

Mandoric: Mar 15, 2003

mistermojo posted:

hes going to take NorCal back

# ? Feb 21, 2022 20:19

vyelkin: Jan 2, 2011

Raskolnikov38 posted:

lol what the hell happened that we went from him not signing the recognition papers and talking about a summit with biden to putting all former parts of the russian empire on notice in a day

no idea. What he's saying in the speech is basically a reiteration of the article he published last summer about Russian-Ukrainian history:

quote:

In 1922, when the USSR was created, with the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic becoming one of its founders, a rather fierce debate among the Bolshevik leaders resulted in the implementation of Lenin's plan to form a union state as a federation of equal republics. The right for the republics to freely secede from the Union was included in the text of the Declaration on the Creation of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and, subsequently, in the 1924 USSR Constitution. By doing so, the authors planted in the foundation of our statehood the most dangerous time bomb, which exploded the moment the safety mechanism provided by the leading role of the CPSU was gone, the party itself collapsing from within. A �parade of sovereignties� followed. On 8 December 1991, the so-called Belovezh Agreement on the Creation of the Commonwealth of Independent States was signed, stating that �the USSR as a subject of international law and a geopolitical reality no longer existed.� By the way, Ukraine never signed or ratified the CIS Charter adopted back in 1993.

In the 1920's-1930's, the Bolsheviks actively promoted the �localization policy�, which took the form of Ukrainization in the Ukrainian SSR. Symbolically, as part of this policy and with consent of the Soviet authorities, Mikhail Grushevskiy, former chairman of Central Rada, one of the ideologists of Ukrainian nationalism, who at a certain period of time had been supported by Austria-Hungary, was returned to the USSR and was elected member of the Academy of Sciences.

The localization policy undoubtedly played a major role in the development and consolidation of the Ukrainian culture, language and identity. At the same time, under the guise of combating the so-called Russian great-power chauvinism, Ukrainization was often imposed on those who did not see themselves as Ukrainians. This Soviet national policy secured at the state level the provision on three separate Slavic peoples: Russian, Ukrainian and Belorussian, instead of the large Russian nation, a triune people comprising Velikorussians, Malorussians and Belorussians.

In 1939, the USSR regained the lands earlier seized by Poland. A major portion of these became part of the Soviet Ukraine. In 1940, the Ukrainian SSR incorporated part of Bessarabia, which had been occupied by Romania since 1918, as well as Northern Bukovina. In 1948, Zmeyiniy Island (Snake Island) in the Black Sea became part of Ukraine. In 1954, the Crimean Region of the RSFSR was given to the Ukrainian SSR, in gross violation of legal norms that were in force at the time.

I would like to dwell on the destiny of Carpathian Ruthenia, which became part of Czechoslovakia following the breakup of Austria-Hungary. Rusins made up a considerable share of local population. While this is hardly mentioned any longer, after the liberation of Transcarpathia by Soviet troops the congress of the Orthodox population of the region voted for the inclusion of Carpathian Ruthenia in the RSFSR or, as a separate Carpathian republic, in the USSR proper. Yet the choice of people was ignored. In summer 1945, the historical act of the reunification of Carpathian Ukraine �with its ancient motherland, Ukraine� � as The Pravda newspaper put it � was announced.

Therefore, modern Ukraine is entirely the product of the Soviet era. We know and remember well that it was shaped � for a significant part � on the lands of historical Russia. To make sure of that, it is enough to look at the boundaries of the lands reunited with the Russian state in the 17th century and the territory of the Ukrainian SSR when it left the Soviet Union.

The Bolsheviks treated the Russian people as inexhaustible material for their social experiments. They dreamt of a world revolution that would wipe out national states. That is why they were so generous in drawing borders and bestowing territorial gifts. It is no longer important what exactly the idea of the Bolshevik leaders who were chopping the country into pieces was. We can disagree about minor details, background and logics behind certain decisions. One fact is crystal clear: Russia was robbed, indeed.

When working on this article, I relied on open-source documents that contain well-known facts rather than on some secret records. The leaders of modern Ukraine and their external �patrons� prefer to overlook these facts. They do not miss a chance, however, both inside the country and abroad, to condemn �the crimes of the Soviet regime,� listing among them events with which neither the CPSU, nor the USSR, let alone modern Russia, have anything to do. At the same time, the Bolsheviks' efforts to detach from Russia its historical territories are not considered a crime. And we know why: if they brought about the weakening of Russia, our ill-wishes are happy with that.

Of course, inside the USSR, borders between republics were never seen as state borders; they were nominal within a single country, which, while featuring all the attributes of a federation, was highly centralized � this, again, was secured by the CPSU's leading role. But in 1991, all those territories, and, which is more important, people, found themselves abroad overnight, taken away, this time indeed, from their historical motherland.

What can be said to this? Things change: countries and communities are no exception. Of course, some part of a people in the process of its development, influenced by a number of reasons and historical circumstances, can become aware of itself as a separate nation at a certain moment. How should we treat that? There is only one answer: with respect!

You want to establish a state of your own: you are welcome! But what are the terms? I will recall the assessment given by one of the most prominent political figures of new Russia, first mayor of Saint Petersburg Anatoly Sobchak. As a legal expert who believed that every decision must be legitimate, in 1992, he shared the following opinion: the republics that were founders of the Union, having denounced the 1922 Union Treaty, must return to the boundaries they had had before joining the Soviet Union. All other territorial acquisitions are subject to discussion, negotiations, given that the ground has been revoked.

In other words, when you leave, take what you brought with you. This logic is hard to refute. I will just say that the Bolsheviks had embarked on reshaping boundaries even before the Soviet Union, manipulating with territories to their liking, in disregard of people's views.

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Crunchy Black: Oct 24, 2017; by Athanatos

Goddamn this rules

# ? Feb 21, 2022 20:20

StashAugustine: Mar 24, 2013; Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

honestly a little worried that Putin is entering the "yeah we could totally whip Prussia" phase of his career

# ? Feb 21, 2022 20:20

Grapplejack: Nov 27, 2007

"we should rebuild the Russian empire" isn't what I expected from this speech lmao

# ? Feb 21, 2022 20:20

Hatebag: Jun 17, 2008

Man Musk posted:

That literally already happened, last month, lol

How could i have forgotten putin's coronation? Unbelievable!

# ? Feb 21, 2022 20:20

Dr Kool-AIDS: Mar 26, 2004

StashAugustine posted:

honestly a little worried that Putin is entering the "yeah we could totally whip Prussia" phase of his career

The Russian Empire marches on Constantinople at midnight.

# ? Feb 21, 2022 20:21

Hatebag: Jun 17, 2008

Maybe he can get moldova to join russia and really gently caress with ukraine

# ? Feb 21, 2022 20:22

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Sinteres posted:

The Russian Empire marches on Tsargrad at midnight.

ftfy

# ? Feb 21, 2022 20:22

Man Musk: Jan 13, 2010

Hatebag posted:

How could i have forgotten putin's coronation? Unbelievable!

Yeah, the CSTO. Our God today traded gold and chandeliers for coronations look like men in suits signing papers.

# ? Feb 21, 2022 20:22

Bharatrocity: Oct 20, 2005; One day son, all I own will still belong to the state

https://twitter.com/shaunwalker7/status/1495838208730542093?s=20&t=DKEqZdOXo5hPZPb1EINqXA

# ? Feb 21, 2022 20:22

StashAugustine: Mar 24, 2013; Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Sinteres posted:

The Russian Empire marches on Constantinople at midnight.

the dumbest possible Article V

# ? Feb 21, 2022 20:22

Frosted Flake: Sep 13, 2011; Semper Shitpost Ubique

Raskolnikov38 posted:

huh i wonder if that APCs destroyed report this morning was real then

I don�t know if you guys read GiP, but I remember one post in one of the threads about military fuckups where someone shared the time their 2LT got lost while leading a mounted patrol in Iraq and accidentally invaded (pre-civil war Syria). They were stopped by a Syrian armoured QRF or something and turned back without further incident, but the thought of some Ukrainian Jnr O not reading a map properly and accidentally �invading� Russia crossed my mind.

# ? Feb 21, 2022 20:23

Justin Tyme: Feb 22, 2011

Now I'm imagining an honest to god named empire in 2022 and hooting and hollaring

# ? Feb 21, 2022 20:23

Avynte: Jun 30, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

Mantis42 posted:

Oh great, now he's just recounting his EU4 campaign.

grandpa spending too much time with his map games

# ? Feb 21, 2022 20:23

Dr Kool-AIDS: Mar 26, 2004

Raskolnikov38 posted:

ftfy

ty for the correction

# ? Feb 21, 2022 20:23

Grapplejack: Nov 27, 2007

Bharatrocity posted:

https://twitter.com/shaunwalker7/status/1495838208730542093?s=20&t=DKEqZdOXo5hPZPb1EINqXA

Macron calling himself the modern Jupiter really rubbed off on his guests and not in the good way

# ? Feb 21, 2022 20:23

AFancyQuestionMark: Feb 19, 2017; Long time no see.

Какие же вы всё таки кретины, дорогие товарищи танкисты. Просто невероятно далеки от любого понятия происходящего. При этом так упорно верите в своей правоте что аж стыдно как то читать становится.

Не приятно всё это как то, товарищи. Очень неприятно.

# ? Feb 21, 2022 20:23

Frosted Flake: Sep 13, 2011; Semper Shitpost Ubique

Raskolnikov38 posted:

lol what the hell happened that we went from him not signing the recognition papers and talking about a summit with biden to putting all former parts of the russian empire on notice in a day

They sent Kamala as the negotiator.

# ? Feb 21, 2022 20:23

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Bharatrocity posted:

https://twitter.com/shaunwalker7/status/1495838208730542093?s=20&t=DKEqZdOXo5hPZPb1EINqXA

lol good work jupiter you idiot

# ? Feb 21, 2022 20:24

Oglethorpe: Aug 8, 2005

StashAugustine posted:

honestly a little worried that Putin is entering the "yeah we could totally whip Prussia" phase of his career

he's old enough to become a putin von hindenburg if the wrong successor is picked

# ? Feb 21, 2022 20:24

Lostconfused: Oct 1, 2008

Hatebag posted:

How could i have forgotten putin's coronation? Unbelievable!

So would that make him Vladimir III?

# ? Feb 21, 2022 20:25

Dr Kool-AIDS: Mar 26, 2004

Frosted Flake posted:

They sent Kamala as the negotiator.

lol

# ? Feb 21, 2022 20:26

Bharatrocity: Oct 20, 2005; One day son, all I own will still belong to the state

This might have dramatic consequenses for Eurovision

# ? Feb 21, 2022 20:26

sum: Nov 15, 2010

Man Musk posted:

That literally already happened, last month, lol

Have Russian troops left Kazakhstan? I keep on hearing that Russia has turned Belarus into a vassal state after putting down their color revolution last year, but it's hard to tell if that's just a hysteric neocon line that's become common knowledge.

# ? Feb 21, 2022 20:26

Frosted Flake: Sep 13, 2011; Semper Shitpost Ubique

His mention of the periphery and Imperial collapse, I mean, for once reading Theory explains real world events:

# ? Feb 21, 2022 20:26

AnimeIsTrash: Jun 30, 2018

sum posted:

Have Russian troops left Kazakhstan? I keep on hearing that Russia has turned Belarus into a vassal state after putting down their color revolution last year, but it's hard to tell if that's just a hysteric neocon line that's become common knowledge.

Yes they left shortly after the new government asked them too.

https://abcnews.go.com/International/russian-troops-begin-leaving-kazakhstan-government-restores-control/story?id=82243668

# ? Feb 21, 2022 20:28

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idoYCVLh2qI

# ? Feb 21, 2022 20:28

Hatebag: Jun 17, 2008

Man Musk posted:

Yeah, the CSTO. Our God today traded gold and chandeliers for coronations look like men in suits signing papers.

I was looking at the wiki for that and i found this:

Guam! How could you?!?

# ? Feb 21, 2022 20:28

Hatebag: Jun 17, 2008

Lostconfused posted:

So would that make him Vladimir III?

I'm pretty sure he would take the title of vladimir harkonnen

# ? Feb 21, 2022 20:29

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sexpig by night: Sep 8, 2011; by Azathoth

Grapplejack posted:

"we should rebuild the Russian empire" isn't what I expected from this speech lmao

it's easily the funniest way he could have called Ukraine's bluff.

"We're totally gonna sic our cool friends in NATO on you."

"I WILL REBUILD THE RUSSIAN EMPIRE FROM YOUR BONES AND DO WHAT THE COWARD KHRUSHCHEV NEVER COULD."

"...poo poo man."

Oh Putin, you weird dude, you're my favorite idiot strongman.

# ? Feb 21, 2022 20:29

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