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fatherboxx posted:What, you dont just love leader of a nuclear power whining about very bigly unfair Brest Treaty and traitorous commies on national tv in 2022 I see why Trump and this guy got along They're the same picture: one is just a little bit smarter
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CommieGIR posted:I suspect Lavrov fears every staircase and window he passes. In my opinion, he's one of the more comfortable Kremlin insiders. He's held privileged positions for eternity, and is second in unsinkability if only to Shoygu.
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"I have lots of alliances with ethnically fraught pseudo micro-states, do you???" "I sleep in a big military pact with my wife" "....."
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Poor Putin, thought of Ukraine and went mad
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Imagine six unrecognized mafia states on the edge of a cliff. Russian foreign policy works the same way.
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i cannot believe that ukraine is both sponsoring radical islam and is on the verge of acquiring weapons of mass destruction real 2003 iraq vibes
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Putin's going full on lebensraum, wow
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:Poor Putin, thought of Ukraine and went mad I wonder if age is catching up to him. Did Putin always keep his allies this far from him? Its almost like he doesn't want them to see him too well? QuoProQuid posted:i cannnot believe that ukraine is both sponsoring radical islam and is on the verge of acquiring weapons of mass destruction Obviously they found Yellowcake at Chernobyl, this cannot stand.
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Kangxi posted:This speech is loving deranged I was rolling my eyes, then Putin started rambling about Ukrainian nuclear weapons, and I nearly fell out of my chair.
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QuoProQuid posted:i cannnot believe that ukraine is both sponsoring radical islam and is on the verge of acquiring weapons of mass destruction He wants to have his own version of the Iraq War, as a treat
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I'll need to watch the full speech tomorrow, I feel like I'm missing out with catching sound bites while going on about my evening. OddObserver, Mobby, everyone else there or with close people down on the ground in Ukraine - my condolences. I hope I'll only need to be moderately embarrassed about the European leadership in the coming days, but, as we say here in Latvia, надежда это утешение дурака.
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Can folks confirm this quote: https://twitter.com/benpauker/status/1495837757356318722?cxt=HHwWhIC5jfugpMIpAAAA (...I am not going to subject myself to the speech itself).
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OddObserver posted:Can folks confirm this quote: Yes, the translator said something to that effect.
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finally got to NATO, which is on the verge of overthrowing russia
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CommieGIR posted:I wonder if age is catching up to him. Did Putin always keep his allies this far from him? Its almost like he doesn't want them to see him too well? *googles Putin’s age* Nice
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CommieGIR posted:Did Putin always keep his allies this far from him? Its almost like he doesn't want them to see him too well? Covid precautions, apparently.
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OddObserver posted:Can folks confirm this quote: So in other words aligns with what the US said this AM: That they have a list of people to arrest as soon as they get in country.
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So I don't think it really matters in the grand scheme of things, but Zelensky gifting Putin this nuclear weapons talking point by talking about revisiting the Budapest Memorandum was really loving stupid. I totally understand the frustration at feeling like Russia's the only one who can get away with violating it, but expressing interest in nuclear weapons when you're about to be invaded isn't helpful!
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OddObserver posted:Can folks confirm this quote: Is that not that famous kill list that was discussed a few pages ago?
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Putin not a fan of tearing down statues.
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Putin wisely acknowledges that Ukraine and Crimea should be returned to Turkey.
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Sinteres posted:So I don't think it really matters in the grand scheme of things, but Zelensky gifting Putin this nuclear weapons talking point by talking about revisiting the Budapest Memorandum was really loving stupid. I totally understand the frustration at feeling like Russia's the only one who can get away with violating it, but expressing interest in nuclear weapons when you're about to be invaded isn't helpful! Yeah but Putin could twist that any way he wants: Zelensky was calling out the Budapest amendment to specifically force Russia and the US to meet and negotiate. Zelensky was not wrong in bringing it up.
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I will admit that I'm not particularly versed in Eastern European culture and sensibilities, and there's probably a lot being lost in translation here. That being said, that speech comes across as shockingly inefficient rhetoric-wise to my ears. What purpose does this serve? It's not like anyone who isn't already fully on board could possibly be swayed by this. Add to that the bizarrely distanced event from this morning, and I can't help but think that Putin really does not have a single advisor working for him.
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OddObserver posted:Can folks confirm this quote: funny, this almost sounds like the exact thing the US was claiming it had intercepted intel about, lists of Ukrainian dissidents/etc that Russia would like to capture edit: beat
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"One country cannot achieve its security at the expense of others."
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Aramis posted:Add to that the bizarrely distanced event from this morning, and I can't help but think that Putin really does not have a single advisor working for him. I mean, Putin has ramped up the "Do or Die" sort of rhetoric the past few years including hunting down critics in other countries. I wouldn't be surprised if age is taking a toll on the old paranoid KGB agent inside him.
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He just said something to the effect of "countries can't enhance their own security at the expense of other countries." Which is exactly what he's doing.
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Finishing up with a focus on NATO it looks like.
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Aramis posted:I will admit that I'm not particularly versed in Eastern European culture and sensibilities, and there's probably a lot being lost in translation here. That being said, that speech comes across as shockingly inefficient rhetoric-wise to my ears. What purpose does this serve? It's not like anyone who isn't already fully on board could possibly be swayed by this. It is. This is what happens when a cloistered autocrat gets in front of a camera and vents about the things that annoy him.
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Aramis posted:I will admit that I'm not particularly versed in Eastern European culture and sensibilities, and there's probably a lot being lost in translation here. That being said, that speech comes across as shockingly inefficient rhetoric-wise to my ears. What purpose does this serve? It's not like anyone who isn't already fully on board could possibly be swayed by this. Bruh the whole russian speaking twitter is in stitches The only thing you are missing is how droning and rambling it is, same way non English speakers think Trump can talk coherently
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Aramis posted:I will admit that I'm not particularly versed in Eastern European culture and sensibilities, and there's probably a lot being lost in translation here. That being said, that speech comes across as shockingly inefficient rhetoric-wise to my ears. What purpose does this serve? It's not like anyone who isn't already fully on board could possibly be swayed by this. This is speech is the metaphoric equivalent of when it's 4am and your mates have gone through the second gallon of fireball, and your uncle mentions Benghazi.
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fatherboxx posted:Bruh the whole russian speaking twitter is in stitches
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tagesschau posted:He just said something to the effect of "countries can't enhance their own security at the expense of other countries." Which is exactly what he's doing. If you refer to the first part of the speech I think you’ll find that he already proved that Ukraine isn’t a country.
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QuoProQuid posted:now he's complaining about germany being in NATO after reunification I love that Putin really wants to re-legislate history, like what the hell is going on in this guys head.
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Putin relating a conversation with Bill Clinton ("which I've never discussed before") where he allegedly asked, "Why do you want to make an enemy about us?" and was told "It's not about our political regime. It's that they don't need a big and independent country like Russia."
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CommieGIR posted:So in other words aligns with what the US said this AM: That they have a list of people to arrest as soon as they get in country. Unsubstantiated! Unsubstantiated, irrational slander! I yell as I shrink into a corncob This is really cool, we broke his brain
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CommieGIR posted:I love that Putin really wants to re-legislate history, like what the hell is going on in this guys head. Actually you should be feeling quite educated by now
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I haven't heard many Putin speeches in my life. Is this speech a normal level of crazy for him or is it unusually crazy?
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QuoProQuid posted:Putin relating a conversation with Bill Clinton ("which I've never discussed before") where he allegedly asked, "Why do you want to make an enemy about us?" and was told "It's not about our political regime. It's that they don't need a big and independent country like Russia." Wonderful evening at little st. James
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