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Grape posted:Putin's image of cold calculating autocrat melting into brain worms Slavic fox news grandpa if anything is kind of a blow to the "democracy sucks, autocrats so sexy" brand that has been getting around since 2016. oh no, oh poo poo, our philosopher king watched too much cable news
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This is just Putin seeking the west's respect.
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nurmie posted:jesus loving christ  Both in general, and for your toxx.
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Just to be clear I still 100% consider it a new and distinct invasion if Russia moves beyond the contact line, regardless of any pretend legitimacy about the borders of the separatist republics. And if Russia goes that far, I don't think they're stopping firm at those borders either, without other concessions for a cease fire at least, since Putin's listing other grievances against Ukraine as well.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:
welp, i do feel like i need a break from All This anyway tbh so, thank you all (both in this and the other thread) and pls ban 
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Gripweed posted:If Ukraine wants international support in this moment of crisis, they should probably stop being so cringe.
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Nenonen posted:This is just Putin seeking the west's respect. Maybe it's a bluff to get concessions.
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Cugel the Clever posted:poo poo, yeah, when you put it like that, the real cringe of the last couple days is a meme you find distasteful. When the streets of Kyiv run red with Ukrainian blood, its skies turn black with raging thermobaric fires, and its people reach out a desperate hand beseeching Western countries to do more, we'll look down and say "Please don't post any memes about this that might be taken as offensive." Yes my support would be conditional on a good faith effort on behalf of the Ukrainians to limit the publication of cringe memes on official channels.
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Hey for Toxx fulfillment, we'll probably just ID a charity to donate to. We'll get with you.
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https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1496080753360265222?s=20&t=ExvvmY9yEJxaX8Ap6nsiig I still think Ukraine is playing this right. And visual context for Putin's border delirium: https://twitter.com/AricToler/status/1496163840567951361?s=20&t=ExvvmY9yEJxaX8Ap6nsiig
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1496162056273371140 Thank god he didn't show any memes in his speech, or I would be worried
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You think he'll link up Donetsk with the Crimea? Or is the power play DPR/LPR exclusive?
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Grouchio posted:You think he'll link up Donetsk with the Crimea? Or is the power play DPR/LPR exclusive? The power play is all of Ukraine most likely, or the forces he stationed would be exclusively in the DNR/LNR areas.
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steinrokkan posted:Thank god he didn't show any memes in his speech, or I would be worried If you want to engage further on that issue, feel free, but instead using major news as an opportunity to snipe about that is really petty.
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CommieGIR posted:The power play is all of Ukraine most likely, or the forces he stationed would be exclusively in the DNR/LNR areas.
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It just shows how deranged Putin and his staff are, if they actually need to go back a day later and explain “actually, what we meant yesterday…”.
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Grouchio posted:So he intends to occupy Kiev? Its more of a knife at your throat situation. Either give us DNR/LNR or we conduct a decapitating strike against Kiev. But I suspect he wants Ukraine to push back so he has an excuse.
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Grouchio posted:So he intends to occupy Kiev? It's Kyiv, by the way. And US Intelligence has asserted that is Putin's grand plan.
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Grouchio posted:You think he'll link up Donetsk with the Crimea? Or is the power play DPR/LPR exclusive? Surely that would require another weird tv q and a sesh with his henchmen, rambling speech, and duma rubberstamp
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Just wait until Zaporizhzhia peoples republic and Kherson peoples republic rises up out of nowhere.
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Grouchio posted:So he intends to occupy Kiev? The announcement pulls Mariupol into the Russian sphere. This was an objective during the escalation of fighting between the DNR and Ukraine but they never quite managed to reach the city.
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Mokotow posted:It just shows how deranged Putin and his staff are, if they actually need to go back a day later and explain “actually, what we meant yesterday…”. I don't think it's derangement. Last night's announcements were a fig leaf explanation for sending Russian troops into the breakaway regions. Now they're just expanding what that fig leaf covers. It's very dangerous and usually incorrect to just assume that foreign leaders are just crazy and doing crazy stuff because they're crazy
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So if Ukraine just gives up on Crimea, Donetsk and Luhansk, no longer has any territorial disputes and instantly joins NATO how mad would Putin get ? This whole conflict is utterly bizarre, the Russia playbook being leaked and then just continuing what was planned. Meanwhile the EU has discussions on sanctions, they didn't plan any contingencies and needing a meeting? This whole thing has been coming for ages and there being no plan just makes me embarrassed as a EU citizen.
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Gripweed posted:It's very dangerous and usually incorrect to just assume that foreign leaders are just crazy and doing crazy stuff because they're crazy Stupid and shortsighted though is correct, and playing everything up as 5D chess is equally as foolish as "they're just nuttttts!"
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This really sucks. Like for all that I've disagreed about what avenues could or should have been pursued diplomatically, where we are now is a tragedy.
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Shes Not Impressed posted:It's Kyiv, by the way. FWIW, in French we're taught to use Kiev. Is that spelling inappropriate?
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Groen posted:So if Ukraine just gives up on Crimea, Donetsk and Luhansk, no longer has any territorial disputes and instantly joins NATO how mad would Putin get ? Ukraine will 100% become a revanchist liability and will never be accepted into NATO.
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Groen posted:So if Ukraine just gives up on Crimea, Donetsk and Luhansk, no longer has any territorial disputes and instantly joins NATO how mad would Putin get ?
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Gros Tarla posted:FWIW, in French we're taught to use Kiev. Is that spelling inappropriate? Yes. https://blog.ap.org/announcements/an-update-on-ap-style-on-kyiv
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Gros Tarla posted:FWIW, in French we're taught to use Kiev. Is that spelling inappropriate? Kiev is what everyone in English called it forever, but Ukraine decided they didn't like it because of some negative connotation related to Russia, so it's very slowly starting to change. I think Kiev is still far more common in English though, at least from people not living in the region.
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Sinteres posted:Kiev is what everyone in English called it forever, but Ukraine decided they didn't like it because of some negative connotation related to Russia, so it's very slowly starting to change. I think Kiev is still far more common in English though, at least from people not living in the region. Thanks! I was not aware of this.
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Gros Tarla posted:FWIW, in French we're taught to use Kiev. Is that spelling inappropriate? There is different transliterations depending on the language. In English it’s usually Kyiv, in German, it’s Kiew. борщ (the soup) gets transliterated to Borschtsch in German 
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Gripweed posted:I don't think it's derangement. Last night's announcements were a fig leaf explanation for sending Russian troops into the breakaway regions. Now they're just expanding what that fig leaf covers. I hold occupying Kyiv is the threat, through displaying both the capability and rhetoric to do so, that they'll use to bargain consolidation of their other territorial objectives. And I very much hope I'm right.
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Budzilla posted:You can't instantly join NATO, if the borders are resolved and Ukraine makes moves towards joining NATO I would assume Putin would just "expand claims" in Ukraine. he's also been ranting about how this is all NATO's fault and they must sign documents pledging Ukraine never be allowed in and Ukraine be demilitarized, it's literally a core goal they have restated over and over again, so I'm not guessing there's really any "what if Ukraine just gives up on the occupied regions and joins NATO" path
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CommieGIR posted:https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1495959462515036163?s=20&t=zyfD-H3r8XL2SQP5fA9oRw Watch them cite the Gravel Institute video as a source.
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CommieGIR posted:https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1495959462515036163?s=20&t=zyfD-H3r8XL2SQP5fA9oRw I see where the talking-point comes from.
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Yeah at least when I was living in Donetsk and Mariupol (we left in 2002) Kiev was the Russian word and Kyiv (pronounced closer to Kyov) was the Ukrainian language one and which one you used tended to match pretty well with whether you thought Ukraine was a Slavic or Western country respectively. Culture war stuff. That's probably changed since then. Also i still have friends in both places so I'm super scared lol
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Gros Tarla posted:FWIW, in French we're taught to use Kiev. Is that spelling inappropriate? It's about as appropriate as Elsac-Loethringen.
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