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Big Beef City
Aug 15, 2013

cinci zoo sniper posted:

I don't recommend watching this video if you speak Russian.

:negative:

Well you can't say that and not say why.

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Conspiratiorist
Nov 12, 2015

17th Separate Kryvyi Rih Tank Brigade named after Konstantin Pestushko
Look to my coming on the first light of the fifth sixth some day

HonorableTB posted:

https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin/status/1496219943884439569?s=20&t=TRA-nSXTwWTiNFEXT7ev2Q

Lots of tanks mobilized in the Belgorod area. I'm wondering if maybe Kharkiv is next

https://mobile.twitter.com/RALee85/status/1496193456175300628
Sinking feeling the sons of bitches might actually go for Kharkiv...

It's now Defender of the Fatherland Day.

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




Owling Howl posted:

It seems like they are firing randomly at populated areas?

It looks like Russians are just firing MRLS into the general direction of the frontline.

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009

HonorableTB posted:

Someone asked what governments supported Putin earlier. Well, did anyone have a Taliban condemnation in mind? I sure as hell didn't.

https://twitter.com/Amie_FR/status/1496220430377664515?s=20&t=uHHCmEi9j5FHuo7gIB0Igg

They probably have some complicated feelings about being invaded by Moscow governments.

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

quote:

"I went in yesterday and there was a television screen, and I said, 'This is genius,'" Trump recalled. "Putin declares a big portion of the Ukraine — of Ukraine -- Putin declares it as independent. Oh, that’s wonderful."

"I said, 'How smart is that?'" the former U.S. president continued. "And he’s gonna go in and be a peacekeeper. That’s the strongest peace force… We could use that on our southern border. That’s the strongest peace force I’ve ever seen. There were more army tanks than I’ve ever seen. They’re gonna keep peace all right. No, but think of it. Here’s a guy who’s very savvy."

I went in yesterday and there was a television screen

I haven't been following domestic rwm coverage of this and I'm not sure I want to.

Sir John Falstaff
Apr 13, 2010

HonorableTB posted:

Someone asked what governments supported Putin earlier. Well, did anyone have a Taliban condemnation in mind? I sure as hell didn't.

https://twitter.com/Amie_FR/status/1496220430377664515?s=20&t=uHHCmEi9j5FHuo7gIB0Igg

The Taliban probably has thoughts about big powers getting militarily involved in other countries.

projecthalaxy
Dec 27, 2008

Yes hello it is I Kurt's Secret Son


Sir John Falstaff posted:

The Taliban probably has thoughts about big powers getting militarily involved in other countries.

Actually, all the bad guys are on a team

Mr. Apollo
Nov 8, 2000

HonorableTB posted:

https://twitter.com/UkrWarReport/status/1496209400184426504?s=20&t=QIzdHFeO9-7aW-ysDzxbYw

Here's an eerie video of someone recording the shelling in Ukraine. Really shows the reality of war.
I vaguely remember my grandparents tell me stories of growing up on the Eastern Front during WWI. To actually see the kind of stuff they lived with is something else.

Sir John Falstaff
Apr 13, 2010

projecthalaxy posted:

Actually, all the bad guys are on a team

You might call it an axis, say an axis . . . of evil?

Plastic_Gargoyle
Aug 3, 2007


This is more or less normal procedure in a situation like this. At least, as normal as it gets in the weird poo poo we're in right now..

projecthalaxy
Dec 27, 2008

Yes hello it is I Kurt's Secret Son


Sir John Falstaff posted:

You might call it an axis, say an axis . . . of evil?

Lotta powers on this axis imo

mmkay
Oct 21, 2010

GreyjoyBastard posted:

I went in yesterday and there was a television screen

I haven't been following domestic rwm coverage of this and I'm not sure I want to.

I'm actually surprised his single remaining brain cell made him double take and switch from 'the Ukraine' to 'Ukraine'.

Kchama
Jul 25, 2007

mmkay posted:

I'm actually surprised his single remaining brain cell made him double take and switch from 'the Ukraine' to 'Ukraine'.

He probably never heard of Ukraine before so doesn't know about 'The Ukraine'.

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




Ukrainian analysis of the situation, in English

https://kyivindependent.com/opinion/center-for-defense-strategies-what-putins-watershed-decision-means-for-ukraine-world-analysis/

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

GreyjoyBastard posted:

I went in yesterday and there was a television screen

I haven't been following domestic rwm coverage of this and I'm not sure I want to.

A brain so smooth it's practically frictionless

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

BIG FLUFFY DOG
Feb 16, 2011

On the internet, nobody knows you're a dog.


projecthalaxy posted:

Actually, all the bad guys are on a team

Current team: Russia, Nicaragua, belarus

Dream team baby

ranbo das
Oct 16, 2013


BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:

Current team: Russia, Nicaragua, belarus

Dream team baby

Don't forget Syria

Despera
Jun 6, 2011
Belarussia is a Russian puppet state

Despera fucked around with this message at 22:48 on Feb 22, 2022

BIG FLUFFY DOG
Feb 16, 2011

On the internet, nobody knows you're a dog.


ranbo das posted:

Don't forget Syria

This Putin guys just the belle of the ball!

Youth Decay
Aug 18, 2015

HonorableTB posted:

https://twitter.com/UkrWarReport/status/1496209400184426504?s=20&t=QIzdHFeO9-7aW-ysDzxbYw

Here's an eerie video of someone recording the shelling in Ukraine. Really shows the reality of war.

gently caress, that sounds brutal :(. Do we know if there are any calls for people to evacuate? At what point would we start seeing refugees from this situation?

DTurtle
Apr 10, 2011


BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:

no, no putin's right. Germans hate electricity and they were going to figure out how to cut the lights no matter what
You do realize that not a single Iota of gas has ever been delivered via Nordstream 2? German electrical production is not dependent on it.

Gervasius
Nov 2, 2010



Grimey Drawer

GreyjoyBastard posted:

I went in yesterday and there was a television screen

I haven't been following domestic rwm coverage of this and I'm not sure I want to.


quote:

Putin declares a big portion of the Ukraine — of Ukraine -- Putin declares it as independent

Even smoothbrained idiot like Trump corrected himself on Ukraine/ The Ukraine issue.

BIG FLUFFY DOG
Feb 16, 2011

On the internet, nobody knows you're a dog.


DTurtle posted:

You do realize that not a single Iota of gas has ever been delivered via Nordstream 2? German electrical production is not dependent on it.

You do realize how Russians are probably going to retaliate against the west even if the sanctions leave the gas and oil industries untouched?

Medvedev literally threatened it outright

projecthalaxy
Dec 27, 2008

Yes hello it is I Kurt's Secret Son


Youth Decay posted:

gently caress, that sounds brutal :(. Do we know if there are any calls for people to evacuate? At what point would we start seeing refugees from this situation?

I don't know officially if theres like general evac but a lot of my friends have been leaving if they have anywhere to go. We had a van going from Dneiper to Lvov full of like 16 people

Dr Kool-AIDS
Mar 26, 2004

BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:

You do realize how Russians are probably going to retaliate against the west even if the sanctions leave the gas and oil industries untouched?

Medvedev literally threatened it outright

It's definitely the threat being made, but Russia would be cutting its own throat even harder than it already is to disrupt those supplies too.

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




Youth Decay posted:

gently caress, that sounds brutal :(. Do we know if there are any calls for people to evacuate? At what point would we start seeing refugees from this situation?

Nothing public yet, to best of my knowledge. I would expect the trickle of refugees to begin when the next major urban centre is attacked by Russia - Mariupol’ seems to be their most likely next major target. It’s impossible to predict when and how that could turn into a 2015-size affair, however.

projecthalaxy
Dec 27, 2008

Yes hello it is I Kurt's Secret Son


cinci zoo sniper posted:

Nothing public yet, to best of my knowledge. I would expect the trickle of refugees to begin when the next major urban centre is attacked by Russia - Mariupol’ seems to be their most likely next major target. It’s impossible to predict when and how that could turn into a 2015-size affair, however.

Yeah this is another part of it - almost everyone who would and can leave already has

BIG FLUFFY DOG
Feb 16, 2011

On the internet, nobody knows you're a dog.


Sinteres posted:

It's definitely the threat being made, but Russia would be cutting its own throat even harder than it already is to disrupt those supplies too.

This is true. It would be v irrational for them to do this but *gestures at entire situation*

Germany is definitely the weakest link in the western alliance at the moment and they have a big red pressure point that russia can push and inflict a lotof pain. I’m not sure given how much of Putin’s reputation as a pragmatic opportunist he threw away in this last week that russia can resist pushing it even though it would end up leading to complete financial catastrophe both short and long term

jaete
Jun 21, 2009


Nap Ghost

Gros Tarla posted:

FWIW, in French we're taught to use Kiev. Is that spelling inappropriate?

Thanks everyone for the info on this!

FWIW, the Finnish translation/translitteration/whatever of Kiyv is "Kiova" - Ki like kick, o like Olga, va like vava. I'm not sure if that is more or less appropriate than "Kiev". :v: Is "Kiova" derived from the Russian version of the name?

projecthalaxy
Dec 27, 2008

Yes hello it is I Kurt's Secret Son


Sec Blinken has cancelled his meeting with Russian Minister Lavrov on Thursday - there's no point to talking to Russia

E: with troops on foreign soil

HonorableTB
Dec 22, 2006
Can we get a mod ruling on what is acceptable to post in terms of on-the-ground footage? Obviously gore and such should not be posted, but what about combat footage in general? I ask because I just saw a video of Russian ATGM crews taking out Ukrainian vehicles (can't make out what kind, either a BMP or a BTR) at the Russian border. This thread should not become a war porn thread IMO, but these videos are important to track ongoing events given that we are waiting to see how far Russian troops advance, and when. But we also must be sensitive to those who are affected or who have friends/family who may be affected, so that we can be empathetic to them.

Dr Kool-AIDS
Mar 26, 2004

HonorableTB posted:

Can we get a mod ruling on what is acceptable to post in terms of on-the-ground footage? Obviously gore and such should not be posted, but what about combat footage in general? I ask because I just saw a video of Russian ATGM crews taking out Ukrainian vehicles (can't make out what kind, either a BMP or a BTR) at the Russian border. This thread should not become a war porn thread IMO, but these videos are important to track ongoing events given that we are waiting to see how far Russian troops advance, and when. But we also must be sensitive to those who are affected or who have friends/family who may be affected, so that we can be empathetic to them.

Obviously not a mod, but if people would be upset by seeing any war footage, they should probably avoid a war thread.

Fritz the Horse
Dec 26, 2019

... of course!

HonorableTB posted:

Can we get a mod ruling on what is acceptable to post in terms of on-the-ground footage? Obviously gore and such should not be posted, but what about combat footage in general? I ask because I just saw a video of Russian ATGM crews taking out Ukrainian vehicles (can't make out what kind, either a BMP or a BTR) at the Russian border. This thread should not become a war porn thread IMO, but these videos are important to track ongoing events given that we are waiting to see how far Russian troops advance, and when. But we also must be sensitive to those who are affected or who have friends/family who may be affected, so that we can be empathetic to them.

Good question. We'll discuss and get back on that.

Eric Cantonese
Dec 21, 2004

You should hear my accent.
What's most likely, but least violent resolution to this situation? The regions under Russian territory becoming fully independent after some bloodshed? I don't want to risk my sanity combing Twitter for pundit hot takes.

MadJackal
Apr 30, 2004

HonorableTB posted:

Can we get a mod ruling on what is acceptable to post in terms of on-the-ground footage? Obviously gore and such should not be posted, but what about combat footage in general? I ask because I just saw a video of Russian ATGM crews taking out Ukrainian vehicles (can't make out what kind, either a BMP or a BTR) at the Russian border. This thread should not become a war porn thread IMO, but these videos are important to track ongoing events given that we are waiting to see how far Russian troops advance, and when.

Given the threat of an ongoing Russian disinformation campaign and posters falling for it off-site, I think videos showing clear acts of violence are an unfortunately necessity to establish a common set of facts here.

MadJackal fucked around with this message at 23:26 on Feb 22, 2022

Shes Not Impressed
Apr 25, 2004


Sinteres posted:

Obviously not a mod, but if people would be upset by seeing any war footage, they should probably avoid a war thread.

But do NOT post memes coming from an embassy.

Trump
Jul 16, 2003

Cute
Zelenskyy is saying he still hopes for a diplomatic solution and has only ordered part of the reserve to mobilize. The gently caress.

Dr Kool-AIDS
Mar 26, 2004

Shes Not Impressed posted:

But do NOT post memes coming from an embassy.

I didn't say anyone shouldn't post the tweet, I said the embassy shouldn't have tweeted it (which, in this analogy, would be like saying you don't think Russia should bomb something while still thinking it's okay to post evidence when they do). Sorry to have insulted US Embassy Kiev like that. :911:

HonorableTB
Dec 22, 2006

Fritz the Horse posted:

Good question. We'll discuss and get back on that.

Thanks, I'll bring you a sugar cube when you get back from the mod forums.

Here is a list of webcams I've put together if anyone wants to keep an eye on the situation:

Severeodonetsk, Luhansk:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzQdh7Sd7ZM&hd=1

Mariupol, Donetsk:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mE9nRMx8n6s&hd=1

Kyiv:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJ6AzlYCysY&hd=1

Kyiv 2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cyQPN5xQtU&hd=1

Lviv:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9r5rpGq9mU&hd=1

Odessa:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hHelJALhEo&hd=1

Kharkiv 1:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNGrP5Wv_C4&hd=1

Kharkiv 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWyn4ff7tm4&hd=1

Pisochyn, Kharkiv:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtOKYCxP6iY&hd=1

Chernihiv:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvhM2a92dvs&hd=1

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Sir John Falstaff
Apr 13, 2010

MadJackal posted:

Given the threat of an ongoing Russian disinformation campaign and posters falling for it off-site, I think videos showing clear acts of violence are an unfortunate necessity to establish a common set of facts here.

Yes, although videos themselves can be part of a disinformation campaign. E.g., the number of times a video of some atrocity has been posted only to find out later that actually it's a video taken a decade ago during some entirely different conflict.

Sir John Falstaff fucked around with this message at 23:06 on Feb 22, 2022

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