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Wiltsghost posted:God this is terrifying Ive had 7 rockets fired at me once. Can't imagine 30+
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Have Some Flowers! posted:I think we need a better source than 'a friend' to confirm an event that would massively escalate this I'm not sure that we'll really know what is happening right now until much later, these are primo disinfo hours
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Grouchio posted:I've been informed by a friend that there have been bombings in Moldova - meaning that NATO involvement is inescapable. Aren't there Russians stationed in Transnistria attacking Ukraine and not Moldova? What's going on there? Thank your weed dealer for telling us the nukes will be flying soon.
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Grouchio posted:I've been informed by a friend that there have been bombings in Moldova - meaning that NATO involvement is inescapable. Aren't there Russians stationed in Transnistria attacking Ukraine and not Moldova? What's going on there? Moldova is not a NATO member and went the neutrality route. Which worked out great for them when Russia sponsored "rebels" and eventually regular Russian military in 1994 to carve out the bits with the gigantic Soviet military bases as Transnistria.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:Eh, I despise Russia's actions as much as most anyone here but I'm dubious of wide-ranging sanctions... for the first reason, not the second. sanctions are ineffective and harmful but i'm really far less concerned with the fate of the average russian civilian right now than i am the fate of the average ukrainian civilian but professional online takesmiths gotta smith and much like sanctions aren't the best response, neither is performative unity with the working class during the opening stages of an uncalled for war of aggression by a larger nation against a smaller one. luckily the people tweeting #solidarity tonight from comfortable, intact homes can be safely ignored, now and forever
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First off. Eat poo poo Putin. Second off, Would anyone be interested in reading a big wall of text if I type it up that is focused on the cyber/critical infrastructure side of this poo poo show? Industrial control system security is my field and it has been fascinating and loving bizarre following some of this stuff, I've already started drafting something for people in my field who are interested in catching up but it's turning into a large chunk of text so I'm trying to just not spam it everywhere if no one gives a poo poo about it. With that being said if anyone has any specific questions I might be able to field them. Third off, Putin I hope your private security accidentally blows your dick off and you get written into history as the dictator with debatable gender assignment.
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Folks, please contact your representatives to demand your governments support the people of Ukraine (both by taking in refugees and by sending necessary supplies to the Ukrainian government), punish the Putin regime (through targeted sanctions), and bulwark NATO's defences against Russian aggression.Grouchio posted:I've been informed by a friend that there have been bombings in Moldova - meaning that NATO involvement is inescapable. Aren't there Russians stationed in Transnistria attacking Ukraine and not Moldova? What's going on there?
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Wiltsghost posted:God this is terrifying Is there confirmation of what exactly is happening here? Is that MLRS, more than one MLRS, or something else entirely?
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Grouchio posted:I've been informed by a friend that there have been bombings in Moldova - meaning that NATO involvement is inescapable. Aren't there Russians stationed in Transnistria attacking Ukraine and not Moldova? What's going on there? Seems like there could be confusion by the sounds of artillery across the border?
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cr0y posted:First off. Eat poo poo Putin. Please post number two. It might get lost in the deluge of, you know, invasion posts, but I can't really think of where else to post it, so.
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There's video of tanks coming over the Belarus border. Also looks like it's Belarus and Russia working together. https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1496720167723843585
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Inner Light posted:Is there confirmation of what exactly is happening here? Is that MLRS, more than one MLRS, or something else entirely? Muliple MLRS from what I gather.
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It's dawn in Ukraine... https://twitter.com/ElBeardsley/status/1496711721347690497?s=20&t=bVyoYivdOXzRtz5GnYYMwA https://twitter.com/ElBeardsley/status/1496716136456536068?s=20&t=bVyoYivdOXzRtz5GnYYMwA https://twitter.com/ElBeardsley/status/1496718061818290183?s=20&t=bVyoYivdOXzRtz5GnYYMwA Source is the NPR Paris correspondent currently in Ukraine.
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Pook Good Mook posted:All their money is in Swiss banks and NATO can't touch it. Maybe they can seize some yachts docked in France or some townhouses in London. Lock Russia out of the SWIFT banking systems, wouldn't that isolate any money outside of Russia?
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cr0y posted:Second off, Would anyone be interested in reading a big wall of text if I type it up that is focused on the cyber/critical infrastructure side of this poo poo show? Industrial control system security is my field and it has been fascinating and loving bizarre following some of this stuff, I've already started drafting something for people in my field who are interested in catching up but it's turning into a large chunk of text so I'm trying to just not spam it everywhere if no one gives a poo poo about it. With that being said if anyone has any specific questions I might be able to field them. That sounds neat! I would like to know more about cyberwarfare than I learned in 1995 movie Hackers.
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Cugel the Clever posted:Folks, please contact your representatives to demand your governments support the people of Ukraine (both by taking in refugees and by sending necessary supplies to the Ukrainian government), punish the Putin regime (through targeted sanctions), and bulwark NATO's defences against Russian aggression. Is there any evidence that sanctions work? North Korea, Iran, Syria all seem to be surviving.
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cr0y posted:First off. Eat poo poo Putin. we can always link cyber/critical infrastructure post in the OP
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Inner Light posted:Is there confirmation of what exactly is happening here? Is that MLRS, more than one MLRS, or something else entirely? Yes, reportedly GRAD rocket artillery. It seems that Russia's opener was a coordinated barrage of rocket artillery and missile strikes on multiple locations within Ukraine, including the line of contact in the east.
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Big K of Justice posted:Lock Russia out of the SWIFT banking systems, wouldn't that isolate any money outside of Russia? this would work! Russia would 100% turn its weapons on anyone who tried to do it, though. Which could be a bigger oopsie. EDIT: oh god I'm posting in D&D, what have I done
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GreyjoyBastard posted:Eh, I despise Russia's actions as much as most anyone here but I'm dubious of wide-ranging sanctions... for the first reason, not the second. That is, sadly, also the U.S's real constituency so the chances of that are slim. e: HamsterPolice posted:Is there any evidence that sanctions work? North Korea, Iran, Syria all seem to be surviving. They survive, but quality of life for everyone but the oppressors takes a huge dip. Cuba managed to maintain some semblance of quality, which is why it's the U.S warmonger golden goose. Yinlock fucked around with this message at 06:42 on Feb 24, 2022 |
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BRAKE FOR MOOSE posted:You genuinely think that would have improved the situation? I'm saying not everything HAS a diplomatic solution but we can't just let our allies burn to the ground because it's inconvenient to help. That's not banging the war drums, it's being willing to risk your own self to help your allies. cr0y posted:First off. Eat poo poo Putin. Yes but mostly because I spent a ton of time in the physical security world so integrating with a bunch of serial bullshit to make cameras turn on when the fire alarm goes off is totally my nerd jam. KillHour fucked around with this message at 06:42 on Feb 24, 2022 |
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You'd think goons in this thread would know better than to post random rear end Twitter "reports" from dubious rear end sources
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Yinlock posted:That is, sadly, also the U.S's real constituency so the chances of that are slim. Russian arms companies are not the U.S.'s real constituency.
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HamsterPolice posted:Is there any evidence that sanctions work? North Korea, Iran, Syria all seem to be surviving. Russian oligarchs live lives of luxury in the west. Hitting the oligarchs would cause Putin's support to erode. Unfortunately the EU is too weak to put sanctions on them like that.
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I have a relative who was so convinced nothing was going to happen that he figured it was safe to visit and flew to Kyiv last week. Utter dipshit. I hope he's alright.
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Imagine it's 7:30AM, when you would be usually on your way to work. And instead, you are stuck in a standstill of traffic trying to leave your house and leave everything behind to get somewhere, anywhere, while air raid sirens blare and hoping that the bombs don't start falling on the highway. The terror must be unreal.
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HamsterPolice posted:Is there any evidence that sanctions work? North Korea, Iran, Syria all seem to be surviving. It does. For example, sanctions against Russia really hurt their efforts to modernize their huge tank fleet since they were unable to import necessary high tech parts for new generation optical devices.
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KillHour posted:I'm saying not everything HAS a diplomatic solution but we can't just let our allies burn to the ground because it's inconvenient to help. That's not banging the war drums, it's being willing to risk your own self to help your allies. The NATO would have had to move in BEFORE the Russian staffing started, since the Russians had the plans ready since the beginning. Which is politically impossible.
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sticksy posted:Seems like there could be confusion by the sounds of artillery across the border? We did not hear any telegraphed plans on Moldova as we had with Ukraine from Russian brass over the last few months.
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Nameless Pete posted:I have a relative who was so convinced nothing was going to happen that he figured it was safe to visit and flew to Kyiv last week. Utter dipshit. I hope he's alright. This is really stupid, wow
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I see visual evidence of MLRS exploded (unexploded?) ordnance on what appears to be a public street: https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1496717580245127168 And what appears to be a cruise missile in flight to a target https://twitter.com/ELINTNews/status/1496708579952369665 Dunno if reposts. Would be surprised if no civilian casualties as a result of strikes that look very close to the public, dunno if this is an obvious statement but I guess I felt the need to say it.
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My wife also wanted to go to Kiev this month and her family almost guilted her into it.
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Big K of Justice posted:Lock Russia out of the SWIFT banking systems, wouldn't that isolate any money outside of Russia? One of the fears is that they're already trying to get away from this (China recently instituted their own version) and would only make sanctions or quasi diplomatic efforts other points of leverage weaker. sticksy fucked around with this message at 06:48 on Feb 24, 2022 |
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HamsterPolice posted:Is there any evidence that sanctions work? North Korea, Iran, Syria all seem to be surviving. If I remember correctly, sanctions against Iran made it very difficult to procure centrifuges for their uranium enrichment program. I think that and stuxnet seriously set them back and helped bring them to the table which led to the Iranian Nuclear Deal. I'm iffy on the details, so if anyone else has anything to add please do because I could be wrong. I don't know what those three countries would look like had there been no sanctions, so for all we know they could be serving their intended purposes. I imagine that in order to know how well they work, we'd need many more details about the economies of those countries.
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Anyone seen anything else about the Belorussians getting involved? https://twitter.com/NatashaBertrand/status/1496717859107618820
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Russian arms companies are not the U.S.'s real constituency. I was more referring to the oligarch part. There's generally no big pie that oligarchs the world over don't have their fat fingers in. 
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BRAKE FOR MOOSE posted:You genuinely think that would have improved the situation? there's been an awful lot of mischaracterization of posts in this thread as 'banging on war drums' and the like and I'd really rather there were less of that
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The Russian security council looking disturbed and terrified in that bizarre czar audience meeting makes so much sense now. Putin just had recorded videos recognizing Donbas, his meltdown and openly declaring war on Ukraine.
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Charlz Guybon posted:Anyone seen anything else about the Belorussians getting involved? https://twitter.com/NatashaBertrand/status/1496717859107618820 I tried taking a screenshot but drm, cnn had a livestream of bielarussian tanks rolling into ukraine also: quote:The President of Belarus gave orders to his army to integrate and cooperate with the Russian army in the invasion of Ukraine
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