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Dwesa posted:some Russian POWs The younger one was found through social networks (allegedly), he turned 19 in December
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Smeef posted:Why put them on a Toyota when you can put them on one of the many indestructible Lada Nivas? Fair point. fatherboxx posted:The younger one was found through social networks (allegedly), he turned 19 in December Poor fucker. I do feel bad for the Russian conscripts forced to do this poo poo, but only up to a point.
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Comstar posted:Well the other things is WHY fly so low? Western bombers can stay and bomb at 10K with PGM's but these guys are flying very low. Doesn't say much for their targeting abilities. Ground attack aircraft fly low to go below radar detection, that's how they roll. Americans have A-10 Warthog, Brits have Tornado, ex-Soviets have Su-25. 
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On the one hand, parading POW's is a bit of a war crime, not good. On the other hand, militaries that are getting their poo poo kicked in all along the front do not really have opportunities to take prisoners, so I don't really begrudge Ukraine taking an information warfare win.
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Dwesa posted:some Russian POWs Soldiers are much younger than media tends to portray them. Movies and shows always depict grizzled spec-ops soldiers at the ends or past the ends of their careers, not the teens and early-twenty-year-olds that actually make up the bulk of militaries, since it'd look bad for Our Hero to be snapping the necks of people thirty years their junior Alchenar posted:On the one hand, parading POW's is a bit of a war crime, not good. Wait, is it? I didn't know that. What's the logic?
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Merkel's last defense minister, was in office till December https://twitter.com/akk/status/1496805470945923076?t=cNSd04q4iLk6t3mNMmUVug&s=19 Gotta keep a check on the oligarchy, leat they get strange ideas about his mandate https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1496804727199305728?t=MR7iBwgDbxY7ClecgANhyA&s=19
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Dwesa posted:some Russian POWs
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Nenonen posted:Ground attack aircraft fly low to go below radar detection, that's how they roll. Americans have A-10 Warthog, Brits have Tornado, ex-Soviets have Su-25. The UK retired the Tornado in 2019. We are using Eurofighter Typhoons for that role now.
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Comstar posted:Well the other things is WHY fly so low? Western bombers can stay and bomb at 10K with PGM's but these guys are flying very low. Doesn't say much for their targeting abilities. More here, which increases the likelihood of it being real. https://twitter.com/COUPSURE/status/1496819883111329803 Meh, got deleted while I was writing. It was two MiG-29s at <500 feet doing fairly sharp turns, over a rural town or something. Didn't look like dogfighting, couldn't tell if they were armed either. If it's real, I think it's Ukrainian MiG-29s staying low to look for Russian helicopters (its radar won't find low flying helicopters very well) and/or to avoid Russian SAMs.
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GABA ghoul posted:
Hopefully someone studied history and brings a sturdy snuffbox
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GABA ghoul posted:Merkel's last defense minister, was in office till December is oligarch an official russian title? you can just say you've summoned the oligarchs like you're in a fantasy novel
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GABA ghoul posted:https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1496804727199305728?t=MR7iBwgDbxY7ClecgANhyA&s=19 Putin declares himself lord-regent of the reborn Russian Empire.
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GABA ghoul posted:Gotta keep a check on the oligarchy, leat they get strange ideas about his mandate If I was an oligarch, I would call in sick.
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Comstar posted:Well the other things is WHY fly so low? Western bombers can stay and bomb at 10K with PGM's but these guys are flying very low. Doesn't say much for their targeting abilities. Generally the advantage of flying low is that it makes it harder to track the aircraft with long range radar as the terrain interferes with the return signal, especially if they are trying to evade other aircraft which would be searching for them from above, easier to pick out a radar signature against the open sky than against the ground. That also goes for long range anti aircraft missiles.
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Alchenar posted:On the one hand, parading POW's is a bit of a war crime, not good. Sure, but it's not nearly as bad as launching rockets into cities or dressing up your soldiers as the enemy. The later can get you summarily executed.
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On a positive note, this thing has made me almost completely forget about COVID.
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Ola posted:More here, which increases the likelihood of it being real. Could still skip through the video in my tab.  Looks like the pylons are empty, or maybe that white thing is a heatseeker, perhaps even an old Atoll. e: https://twitter.com/PawanDurani/status/1496823484596781061
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BoldFace posted:If I was an oligarch, I would call in sick. Enjoy never daring to drink tea ever again.
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Seems like the only place that Ukraine is doing well is near Kharkov, which I guess is to be expected since most of their military was bordering the separatist areas. T-80 with it's turret blown off https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin/status/1496808569890508802
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its crazy how much putin is just completely at odds with the reputation hes built over the 20 loving years hes been in politics. Managed dissent so pressure doesn't build uncontrollably where you can't see it? Immediate arrest now. Crafty opportunist who goes for easy wins and bluffs? Full-scale invasion of Ukraine. Careful guarantor of Russian stability? Full-scale invasion of ukraine. Protect the economic interests of oligarchs? Full-scale invasion of Ukraine. Cold calculating mastermind? Rambling one hour speech about how Ukrainians were invented by the Bolsheviks
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pippy posted:Isn't the strategy to let areas be overrun and then cut them off and attack from their rear? I'm truly afraid they can't afford much strategy atm (unless it's some cunning plan that's going over my head). The insane military advantage Russia has atm in air force/armored vehicles makes it difficult to engage in conventional warfare. Back at the start of the Iraq war, I remember saying that the war was gonna start when the initial invasion ended. it's maybe an unfair comparison. But when the invasion ends, then the question will be if Ukrainians (military and civilians) go for urban or guerrilla warfare, something that the Russians won't be able to control, even with all the manpower they have. But this will lead to massive casualties, and usually the geneva convention goes out the window rather fast. I honestly don't know how the population will react. I've known some refugees from Chechnya, and I know how brutal Russian warfare can get. Although Russian are now saying 'we're all the same people' and many people have relatives on both sides of the border. So maybe the lack of racism will keep it a bit more civilized? I don't know, I'm just scared at everything that's happening. I hope through some miracle the Ukrainians can hold on to an independent nation without it being destroyed.
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They don't need the 29's doing anything, I suspect they're flying loops over cities in no small part as a morale dominance move.
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Charlz Guybon posted:Seems like the only place that Ukraine is doing well is near Kharkov, which I guess is to be expected since most of their military was bordering the separatist areas. yeah ukraine seems to have been caught off-guard by Russia invading from every direction except Belarus
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fatherboxx posted:Hopefully someone studied history and brings a sturdy snuffbox Yeah, it would be great if this turned into something, but I feels like that's not the world were living in, and it will just be super un-eventful thing and we'll never hear about it again. Unless something changed behind the scenes and no ones notice then from everything I've heard the oligarchs are barely even going to raise their voice to Putin.
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Alchenar posted:They don't need the 29's doing anything, I suspect they're flying loops over cities in no small part as a morale dominance move. Or they got launched in a panic, "do something, anything". Here's a shootdown with a visible parachute. It says helicopter, so could be the Ka-52. We saw the cockpit of the other one earlier with red ejection handles, it can actually shed its rotor blades to allow ejection. https://twitter.com/aldin_ww/status/1496825424550285316 Could also be anything else, Su-25 or Ukranian MiG-29.
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mrfart posted:Although Russian are now saying 'we're all the same people' and many people have relatives on both sides of the border. So maybe the lack of racism will keep it a bit more civilized? putin is famous for his excellent treatment of ethnic russians who resist him so you may be on to something here.
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:its crazy how much putin is just completely at odds with the reputation hes built over the 20 loving years hes been in politics. Managed dissent so pressure doesn't build uncontrollably where you can't see it? Immediate arrest now. Crafty opportunist who goes for easy wins and bluffs? Full-scale invasion of Ukraine. Careful guarantor of Russian stability? Full-scale invasion of ukraine. Protect the economic interests of oligarchs? Full-scale invasion of Ukraine. Cold calculating mastermind? Rambling one hour speech about how Ukrainians were invented by the Bolsheviks from what i have heard from friends with family over there in well off places. the elite think putin has lost his loving mind and the oligarchs are scared because its clear putin doesnt give a poo poo anymore. putins always been a violent thug, he just knows how to bury it somewhat. i wouldn't be shocked if he uses this as giant purge because he has gone stalin level paranoid.
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:yeah ukraine seems to have been caught off-guard by Russia invading from every direction except Belarus Kharkov is nowhere near Belarus.
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Gort posted:Wait, is it? I didn't know that. What's the logic? Geneva Convention on the treatment of prisoners of war posted:Article 13 This is to protect the prisoners from reprisals at home etc.
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Russians are getting bloodied near Kharkov. NSFW - DEAD BODY https://twitter.com/veyselmidilli3/status/1496817380424617986
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mrfart posted:I'm truly afraid they can't afford much strategy atm (unless it's some cunning plan that's going over my head). nah the racism is there, they dont view ukrainians as a seperate people at all. this will get ugly even if their isnt some free ukrainian army holding a city, hell part of the reasons there probably will be resistance and poo poo is because alot of ukranians know this. guess we will see. Charlz Guybon posted:Russians are getting bloodied near Kharkov. least their are some "positives".
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Al-Saqr posted:Sadly it seems that according to the ukranians the Russian VDV have taken the airport that’s only 115 km from Kyiv so pretty soon it’s gonna be game over sadly The border with Russia is 70 km further, this doesn’t mean anything particular I’d say. Easier logistics for things they have forgotten, I guess, if the airstrip remains serviceable or can be repaired swiftly.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:from what i have heard from friends with family over there in well off places. the elite think putin has lost his loving mind and the oligarchs are scared because its clear putin doesnt give a poo poo anymore. putins always been a violent thug, he just knows how to bury it somewhat. i wouldn't be shocked if he uses this as giant purge because he has gone stalin level paranoid. I got that impression too solely from the NSC meeting - several of the participants - cabinet members and the like - looked legitimately scared. Not necessarily for their immediate safety, but more that if they said something even slightly wrong that they would become high-rise apartment balcony fodder in a few weeks. Of course, it could just be fear about their political future (ie: they know this will be a bloody mess and economic disaster, but were being forced to visibly endorse it making them politicially culpable).
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Ola posted:loving lol if the Russians fail. Eh...the Russians aren't going to be as cautious and methodical as an American army. They want to blast through as fast as possible, and if that means losing a hundred men where we would lose ten, they'll do that.
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