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How are u posted:I think that's on you for assuming I desire to collectively punish the Russian people. I'm not a cyber-expert by any means, but I imagine there are a wide variety of options that can put the hurt on Putin, his cronies, and his government's ability to effectively prosecute this imperial war of aggression and expansion that also won't cause the Russian people to freeze to death. Do you think that would be likely to remain contained and not lead to blowback against innocents in both countries? Like the US could also launch missiles at only the Russian elites but I suspect it wouldn't end there, so why would launching cyber attacks against them end there?
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Please don't argue with someone claiming Russia doesn't sponsor cyber attacks ITT. It's a waste of energy and typing calories.
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Majorian posted:Better make it more than a memo this time; Budapest I wasn't legally binding in any way. Make it a treaty. (or at least something that's a treaty in all but name, if Congress won't ratify) Ohhh I see you want the EXTRA pretty paper, you got it boss. And maybe one of them long pens with a bird feather on it to make sure everyone knows you're super serious this time. Anyone who's anyone knows that the way to defeat Russia is to mobilize GoonSwarm and crush them in EVE.
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Pook Good Mook posted:Literally the first sentence: "Researchers say more than $400 million worth of crypto-currency payments went to groups "highly likely to be affiliated with Russia"." my man read the rest of the article quote:Analysts say they know which hacking groups are Russian because they display various characteristics, for example: The headline and opening sentence suggest a link, but nothing in the body of the article backs that up. Just that the criminals are Russian
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Dante80 posted:Since when, did the Cypriots actually listen to us? They do look up to you in spite of everything (and yes, I know what you're referring to). On this topic the rightfully so would also be in your ballpark mostly because they'd be disgusting hypocrites to abet someone 1974ing Ukraine.
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Sinteres posted:Do you think that would be likely to remain contained and not lead to blowback against innocents in both countries? It could, but that's a risk that I as an American am willing to take. The easy thing to do is say "it's Putin's business, we want nothing to do with it". The hard thing to do is be willing to accept some pain yourself to try to aid your fellow man desiring democracy and freedom on the other side of the globe. I'll gladly suffer a little bit as part of the cause of trying to help Ukraine.
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Feb 24, 2022 19:25
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Kaddish posted:Please don't argue with someone claiming Russia doesn't sponsor cyber attacks ITT. It's a waste of energy and typing calories. If it's so self evident it should be easy to cite a credible source.
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Charliegrs posted:This really sounds like something they should do in retaliation for a Russian cyber attack on the US. If we do it first well... I hope everyone likes living without electricity for god knows how long. I just got an "urgent" email from work listing steps to take in order to protect our systems/personal laptops/etc from Russian cyber attacks. It's mostly boiler plate stuff, but there are some suggestions like "make a system copy now or take critical infrastructure offline for the time being to ensure it is secure before reconnecting it", which seems out of place. Supposedly this is based on a message sent out from CISA towards tech companies, industries, etc warning about their expectations for attacks. So it seems that the Government is taking the posture to expect attacks soon anyway (above what is usually encountered) at least from an abundance of precaution. Not sure if there's anything to read from these tea leaves.
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Gripweed posted:I'm going off the linked article, which says they're just done by criminals in Russia. All you have to do is google 'russia state hackers' or something similar. It shouldn't be difficult, even for you.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:You're right, but if you review his war declaration speech, he self-assuredly says that the professional Russian military will effortlessly execute the mission, and that the threat to the homeland is unimaginable. From that perspective, I am inclined to interpret a freestanding peace offer from the Kremlin as an admission of a problem, and so I'm trying to think if I can come up with alternative explanations to why we're hearing about it. Without knowing exactly what the Russians intended in the first place and just how much trouble the Ukranian regulars have given the Russians, that is impossible speculate on. Here is an equally plausible explanation: Russia conducts 24 hours of 'shock and awe' operations to debilitate Ukrainian military C&C and to slow down any further weapons shipments. An offer is made to Kyiv in which the Putin shows he really loving means business this time. Full scale occupation and regime change against a hostile population is kind of hard and expensive so you give them an out and everyone saves face and gets some of what they want (ie nominal Ukrainian Independence, EU gets to keep its gas, Putin doesn't need to tie down his entire conventional army with occupation duties) If the offer is rejected, phase 2 of the operation commences and it is tanks to the Dniepr line and we see if the Ukrainians are willing to risk everything on a NATO dream that is already dead.
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The thing that always struck me about cyberattacks on infrastructure is, why is critical infrastructure even connected to the internet? Like most power stations have been around for decades, presumably they were able to operate just fine without an internet connection in the past, what advantage was there in hooking them up? Id have thought most govts would mandate no public network connections for critical infrastructure given how obviously vulnerable it makes them.
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Flagellum posted:All you have to do is google 'russia state hackers' or something similar. It's shouldn't be difficult, even for you. I wasn't the one who made the claim. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Gripweed posted:If it's so self evident it should be easy to cite a credible source. https://fortune.com/2021/10/07/microsoft-russia-is-behind-58-percent-of-detected-state-sponsored-hacks-cybersecurity/ As a leftist and someone who works in infosec who really hates the "russia hacked 2016 elections" narrative, please stop this, just google.
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Kaddish posted:With regards to the airport, all we know is that the Russian troops are being described as airborne. We don't actually know what the means with regards to training and capability. There is a pretty large range in the US military with airborne troops from good to absolutely cream of the crop. No idea about Russia. the VDV are the elite russian military formation, they're exactly the guys you would give a mission like this to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Airborne_Forces now while they are trained for airborne (helicopterborne) operations, they also just work in general as really highly trained infantry. russia held on to the cult of paratroopers longer than most and so "paratrooper" is synonymous with "highly trained" in the russian army if you're going do so something as reckless as seize an airfield in the enemy rear in the hopes that you can get more troops on the ground through that entry point, these guys are going to be there
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Letting dictators commit crimes against humanity and then duck behind their own people to avoid retribution is morally untenable because they will continue to commit crimes. At some point you have to stand up to them and accept that responsibilty for the suffing that flows from that all stems back to their initial actions.
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Random Integer posted:The thing that always struck me about cyberattacks on infrastructure is, why is critical infrastructure even connected to the internet? Like most power stations have been around for decades, presumably they were able to operate just fine without an internet connection in the past, what advantage was there in hooking them up? Id have thought most govts would mandate no public network connections for critical infrastructure given how obviously vulnerable it makes them. It's cheaper to run things remotely than to have workers on-site to run it 24/7. Infrastructure is run on a shoestring, and security is an expensive non-priority.
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Majorian posted:Better make it more than a memo this time; Budapest I wasn't legally binding in any way. Make it a treaty. (or at least something that's a treaty in all but name, if Congress won't ratify) I'm sure that'll work, after all it's only been *checks notes* 0 days since Russia last broke a treaty it signed.
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Mr. Fall Down Terror posted:the VDV are the elite russian military formation, they're exactly the guys you would give a mission like this to Yeah ok, it sounds like they're something more like our 75th Rangers so pretty elite.
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BoldFace posted:I think it's safe to say that the sanction negotiations are failing since it's taking Biden this long to start his speech. I took the releases indicating that Germany and Italy chickened out on SWIFT closures about 2 hours ago to be indicative of that being Biden's preferred course.
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Alchenar posted:Letting dictators commit crimes against humanity and then duck behind their own people to avoid retribution is morally untenable because they will continue to commit crimes. At some point you have to stand up to them and accept that responsibilty for the suffing that flows from that all stems back to their initial actions. It's pretty convenient when an adversary's actions are all assumed to have sprung fully formed from the ether with no way to avoid them but our own regrettable actions are fully the responsibility of our adversary.
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Gripweed posted:I wasn't the one who made the claim. Much like you were just asking questions when agitating against the US sending Ukraine any aid and calling Ukraine nazis. Gripweed posted:That would certainly be better. But it would still be the US escalating a foreign war. I would still be opposed.
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Gripweed posted:I wasn't the one who made the claim. It's a common knowledge. You can't seriously expect others to present evidence just for you every time for most basic things.
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A silver lining to the conflict, at least so far from what I can tell, is that Russia does seem to be trying to keep this to a more limited, conventional war. If this was utterly cut throat then the initial strikes would have included power plants and infrastructure, which also probably means Russia has no interest or need with pushing into residential or urban areas given the goal is just to cow Ukraine's military into surrendering to Putin's constantly shifting demands. There sure as hell is no such thing as a clean war and civilians are definitely dying, but it doesn't seem to be the intent.
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Thom12255 posted:https://twitter.com/RichardEngel/status/1496904933014216711 Maybe Nato should send troops to secure western Ukraine, also western part of Kyiv. Divide it into US, British and French sectors maybe.
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Jiro posted:Ohhh I see you want the EXTRA pretty paper, you got it boss. And maybe one of them long pens with a bird feather on it to make sure everyone knows you're super serious this time. Are you suggesting that a treaty would be less effective in guaranteeing a country's neutrality than a non-binding memorandum? Because a treaty has kept Finland neutral for the better part of a century. Stabbey_the_Clown posted:I'm sure that'll work, after all it's only been *checks notes* 0 days since Russia last broke a treaty it signed. What treaty? Budapest wasn't a treaty.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msqsdNfHjDY Navalny Live
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Kaddish posted:Yeah ok, it sounds like they're something more like our 75th Rangers so pretty elite. These guys aren't just VDV, it's the 31st Assault Guard, literally the "little green men" from Crimea. This is probably the best Russian light infantry, and they're facing Ukrainian national guard trying to attack them without any air cover. https://twitter.com/OAlexanderDK/status/1496904904551587843?s=20&t=p1BokKtY-eNeCXBZ_Oqgag
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Running into quite a few people who seem to be under the impression that Russia has entered Ukraine to bravely fight the immense nazi forces of the azov batallion. Propaganda sure works.
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How are u posted:It could, but that's a risk that I as an American am willing to take. The easy thing to do is say "it's Putin's business, we want nothing to do with it". The hard thing to do is be willing to accept some pain yourself to try to aid your fellow man desiring democracy and freedom on the other side of the globe. For what it's worth, I don't think that the US should perform any cyber attacks unless they've got a productive end goal in mind. There's already a fair amount of dissension in Russia over this, and European politicians seem to be unifying in their opposition to the Russian invasion, and so for practical purposes I would be hesitant about changing that dynamic without a very good reason. And I say that as someone who probably feels quite similarly as you do about the importance of confronting Russian authoritarianism in spite of the challenges of doing so. Putin's vulnerability is economic stagnation and political isolation, and that's what should be the target of American foreign policy. Kaal fucked around with this message at 19:37 on Feb 24, 2022 |
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https://twitter.com/DAlperovitch/status/1496914987062906886?s=20&t=878l1ScuopYWHri2TPmqOg Another development on the cyberwarfare front.
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Jaxyon posted:Running into quite a few people who seem to be under the impression that Russia has entered Ukraine to bravely fight the immense nazi forces of the azov batallion. Where are you generally located?
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MrYenko posted:Banning Aeroflot from landing in the UK, or banning Aeroflot from UK airspace? https://twitter.com/petemuntean/status/1496914103205613572 https://twitter.com/thatjohn/status/1496906915133411329
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https://twitter.com/antontroian/status/1496892255805878280 ...yyyyup, the oligarchs aren't happy. I've watched Russia for a long time and I haven't seen anything like this since the early 00s.
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Majorian posted:What treaty? Budapest wasn't a treaty. That'd be the Geneva Conventions. The day before Russia also broke the Minsk agreement by recognizing Donetsk/Luhansk as indepedent republics. The overall point is that pieces of paper are useless if one of the parties has no intention of being bound by them.
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FishBulbia posted:These guys aren't just VDV, it's the 31st Assault Guard, literally the "little green men" from Crimea. This is probably the best Russian light infantry, and they're facing Ukrainian national guard trying to attack them without any air cover. Apparently a friend of my mother's is near Hostomel and they've been hearing gunfightimg all day  ronya posted:https://twitter.com/petemuntean/status/1496914103205613572 Brexit... Good??
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Jaxyon posted:Running into quite a few people who seem to be under the impression that Russia has entered Ukraine to bravely fight the immense nazi forces of the azov batallion. Only the most terminally online broke brains have said this. In actual real life everyone I have talked to, which is across the country, thinks Russia is the aggressor. While both are anecdotal, it’s clear Russia is using its propaganda machine.
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Majorian posted:https://twitter.com/antontroian/status/1496892255805878280 I think this is our only hope. Both for Ukrainians and the Russian people. Nothing the west can do can stop this, all we can hope for is a palace coup and one thing Oligarchs don't like it's seeing their bottom line disappear.
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