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lollontee: Nov 4, 2014; Can't post for 10 years!

lumpentroll posted:

thank you, pablo

# ? Feb 24, 2022 22:04

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Morbus: May 18, 2004

icantfindaname posted:

I still don�t quite understand what the political endgame is here though. Seizing Kiev, possibly seizing the person of Zelensky and his cabinet, and installing a new constitution and president is not going to work without an extended military occupation. Not sure what else is possible though. Russia annexing the whole Black Sea coast or somehow forcibly demilitarizing the whole left-bank half of the country? A rump right-bank Ukraine capitaled in Lvov would be back to square 1, it would immediately run to join NATO. Indefinite military occupation of Ukraine and Belarus like Poland and Hungary in the Cold War seems like it will be very costly and not worth it, but then I guess I�m not the president of Russia

I maintain that it's a stupid and impulsive move born out of a frustration with Russia's strategic options and utter lack of any diplomatic effort from the west, rather than a plan with a well thought out long term end-state.

There is no possibility of anything that remains of Ukraine joining NATO, in the foreseeable future, though. Of course, that was pretty much the case regardless of any military action beyond what was necessary to keep the separatist conflicts in the east simmering along.

It could just be something like "diplomacy is hopeless, hoping for a change in western attitude is hopeless, at least a federated ukrainian state would have areas nominally friendly to Russia and would present a more even playing field for Russian vs. western soft-power and influence". But it seems like that is a political end-state that could have been achieved without a full fledged invasion and all the problems/backlash that entails. Especially since the idiot nationalists in Ukraine were practically guaranteed to make some stupid first move themselves at some point in the next 5 years, a la the Georgian-Ossetian war.

# ? Feb 24, 2022 22:04

Malloc Voidstar: May 7, 2007; Fuck the cowboys. Unf. Fuck em hard.

vyelkin posted:

idk if this is real but im posting it because its funny, apparently nyt are saying Russia has legalized cryptocurrency to get around US sanctions

there's a bunch of crypto type accounts on twitter posting this with the exact same wording but I can't find any actual source

# ? Feb 24, 2022 22:04

Often Abbreviated: Dec 19, 2017; 1st Severia Tank Brigade
"Ghosts of Honcharivske"

icantfindaname posted:

How are they going to enforce any of that without permanent military presence in the country?

money, intelligence, organised crime

"enforcing" a state of gently caress-upedness isn't nearly as hard as ending one. once people are balkanised into a dozen micro states and three dozen competing militias, all armed to the teeth, they'll be able to keep the country under a lid with two guys, a suitcase of money, and a helicopter.

# ? Feb 24, 2022 22:05

A Bakers Cousin: Dec 18, 2003; by vyelkin

Sinteres posted:

This isn't me, someone posted it in D&D:

I have become convinced that C-Spam has essentially become infiltrated by fascists who use left wing talking points and ideology to push people towards fascism.

The invasion of the Ukraine by Russia has no excuse under any leftist frame of thought. Putin’s Russia is not a leftist state in any way or form. It functions as a far-right Oligarchic Kleptocracy where the power of the capitalist Oligarchic corporations are protected completely by the state and by all rule of law. It is in no way an effective Democracy, and opposing party members are poisoned or arrested on trumped up charges.

Within the school of leftist thought you may claim that functionally the United States is the same, I believe there are quite big differences in terms of having somewhat more open elections and allowing freedom of opposing party members. Eitherway, leftists all agree that nothing about the United States political and economical system is “Good.” How you could point to a foreign economic and political system, which is much more unequal, and extremely worse for the proletariat masses as somehow being better because it opposes Westernism is the height of hypocrisy.

The invasion of Iraq was extremely illegal and wrong, but for all it’s bad, at the core of it’s government Sadam Hussein was a dictator that ruled without any elections and without the will of the masses. The only person that directed the nation's policy was him. Alternatively, Ukraine is a nation with an elected president, who represents at least marginally the will of people. The majority of Ukranians want to ally themselves with the west and NATO. Their right to self-determination means they should have every right to do so, just as much as Mexico should have every right to ally itself with China and Russia if its people so desired and elected politicians who would enact such a policy.

Beyond that the justification for war is grossly wrong. There may be Neonazi’s active in Ukraine. There are also Neonazi’s active in Russia, in the US, in nearly every country in Europe, in pretty much every country on the globe. The ideology of Russia is not far from the Neonazi, Putin and the Russian Military differ little from Hitler in their overarching ideology, and only in how willing he is to voice his beliefs publicly. Their concepts come directly from fascist books such as The Foundation of Geopolitics. Fascist politicians are extremely influential in Russian politics. Their main goal has been to push fascism throughout the world. On the world stage there can be no doubt. Beyond the Bourgeoisie, Russia represents the old system - From Monarchism to Imperialism to Feudalism. They are not a friend of the working class in any way or form, and the goal of Russia is to retrench the world back towards reactionary ideologies and nationalism by creating an alliance of fascist nationalist states similar to their own.

Saying you are invading Ukraine to denazify it is like saying you are invading Chile to decommunize it. Recent elections there did involve a coalition with communist parties, for example.

Russians activity in Syria leaves little imagination or justification to the effect that they represent the entrenched upper classes. The Syrian war was essentially a class conflict, brought on by a famine in the countryside that pushed the poor impoverished agricultors into the cities who were summarily ignored by the Syrian Dictator Bashar-Al Assad. The war started due to class conflict between the poor impoverished masses and the capitalist Dictatorship rulers. Russia could have supported left-leaning groups such as the YPG and other organizations focused on improving the conditions of the poor in Syria via socialism. They did not because they do not represent leftism nor are friends of leftists in any way or form. Russia will always side with the bourgeoisie and ruling classes and if you continue to support them and they win they will be happy to enact fascist dictatorships throughout the world.

When you defend the invasion of Ukraine you are essentially defending fascism. You are defending a reactionary response to democracy. You are defending Russian Imperialism, Russian Oligarchy, Nationalism and Fascism. There is no way around it.

For as much as you may hate NATO and the US or the West there is no defense for Russia and their actions here. There is nothing leftist about this and if members of C-Spam are defending the Russian invasion of the Ukraine they are defending fascism and inviting its spread through Europe, the US and the rest of the world. I have serious doubts that any of the posters who defend these things are actual leftists, if anything I believe they are fascists who have infiltrated the forums long ago and use left-wing talking points to push fascism. We can see that throughout the internet this has been a common tactic used by Fascists on other social media networks and forums.

In the days pre-internet, when thought was printed, the spread of news took forever - and the quantity of opinions was limited. Freedom of speech was essential. Just as with guns, we have evolved, in the past we had invented simple revolvers, and they may be acceptable for some self defense use. But as technology has advanced so have weapons, instead of revolvers we have AR-15s and semi-automatic weapons in the hands of common people who use them in ways that are irresponsible and dangerous. These weapons of mass war don’t belong in the hands of common people. As weapons technology has advanced so has the internet and social media. In this day and age freedom of mass speech and spread of misinformation from groups with very little actual power is as dangerous as a machine-gun.

I call on Jeffrey and the rest of SA to either shut down C-SPAM or investigate and ban potentially subversive fascist posters in that forum. They are not doing anyone any good and they are in fact potentially pushing people down a pigeonhole that radicalizes them towards far-right ideologies. I say this from personal experience. This is dangerous.

Dear Jeffrey and the rest of SA,

I call on you...

# ? Feb 24, 2022 22:05

spacemang_spliff: Nov 29, 2014; wide pickle

brugroffil posted:

Citizens of the United States of America elected a particularly dumb football coach to be one of the 100 members of the Senate. He was one of the best people available out of over 200 million adults.

lol america owns

# ? Feb 24, 2022 22:05

Cao Ni Ma: May 25, 2010

Vox Nihili posted:

lol @ France pretending they have any sort of role to play here

jupiters 6 hour dinner was one of the factors that lead to the invasion

# ? Feb 24, 2022 22:05

paul_soccer12: Jan 5, 2020; by Fluffdaddy

lolhttps://www.google.com/finance/quote/RTX:NYSE

# ? Feb 24, 2022 22:06

Ringo Roadagain: Mar 27, 2010

Danann posted:

https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1496944661256097793

Some boasting about distribution of small arms to civilians for all the good that's going to do.

this seems like a great way to get your citizens killed

# ? Feb 24, 2022 22:06

Tankbuster: Oct 1, 2021

Tiler Kiwi posted:

soldiers losing to cops is the most embarrassing thing lol

they don't even get chits in wargames you just assume they all run onto a landmine and become ether at some point

The Fallschirmjagers dropped with pistols. The allies learned from it and dropped in normandy with weapons strapped to their body.

# ? Feb 24, 2022 22:06

lobotomy molo: May 7, 2007; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 posted:

Due to the capital investment required, Nuclear power can only feasibly be built in the necessary quantities by State entities, and the only people willing to use State power in such a way are communists.

We're hosed, is what I'm saying.

unless...

# ? Feb 24, 2022 22:06

DiscountDildos: Nov 8, 2017

https://twitter.com/ChillStableGuy/status/1496901444435255304?s=20&t=3yR3tlGm3NwGjXUWOyyjAA

Not sure I'd want to sit in that sector but that's a good price

# ? Feb 24, 2022 22:07

RadiRoot: Feb 3, 2007

WoodrowSkillson posted:

the one thing Russia needs more of. Land.

lol permafrost melting will give way to more farm land

# ? Feb 24, 2022 22:07

A Bakers Cousin: Dec 18, 2003; by vyelkin

Just like Russia, Louie ck doesn't know how to act around people.

# ? Feb 24, 2022 22:08

Mantis42: Jul 26, 2010

DiscountDildos posted:

https://twitter.com/ChillStableGuy/status/1496901444435255304?s=20&t=3yR3tlGm3NwGjXUWOyyjAA

Not sure I'd want to sit in that sector but that's a good price

hey if zelensky falls to the russkies they have their next president lined up

# ? Feb 24, 2022 22:08

etalian: Mar 20, 2006

DiscountDildos posted:

https://twitter.com/ChillStableGuy/status/1496901444435255304?s=20&t=3yR3tlGm3NwGjXUWOyyjAA

Not sure I'd want to sit in that sector but that's a good price

Killed by an errant Laser guided bomb while attending a Louis CK comedy show...

# ? Feb 24, 2022 22:08

Mister Bates: Aug 4, 2010

Malloc Voidstar posted:

there's a bunch of crypto type accounts on twitter posting this with the exact same wording but I can't find any actual source

it's an organized attempt to pump crypto prices after they took a big poo poo

# ? Feb 24, 2022 22:08

A Bakers Cousin: Dec 18, 2003; by vyelkin

Russia needs more strategic mud

# ? Feb 24, 2022 22:09

Homeless Friend: Jul 16, 2007

Pooky posted:

https://twitter.com/ACTBrigitte/status/1496802207160848384

# ? Feb 24, 2022 22:09

lumpentroll: Mar 4, 2020

is louis ck in kiev right now?

# ? Feb 24, 2022 22:10

Danann: Aug 4, 2013

https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1496950054988492800

People in Kharkiv are taking shelter in the subway.

https://twitter.com/ELINTNews/status/1496948800929374213

A raging fire in Sumy, battle still ongoing.

# ? Feb 24, 2022 22:10

Frosted Flake: Sep 13, 2011; Semper Shitpost Ubique

Often Abbreviated posted:

the other problem is you never get the weapons back, regardless of what happens. even if Russia were to fight inconclusively for a few weeks then pull back, a Ukraine that's been politically detabilised by the war, armed to the teeth by their government, and pumped chock full of crazy stay-behind terrorist groups by the USA is going to fly to loving pieces.

lol oh but you see you have to show a passport to draw an AK-74 and 6 magazines or whatever.

They hosed up bigly and arming the population is going to cause them fat more grief than the Russians .

# ? Feb 24, 2022 22:10

WrasslorMonkey: Mar 5, 2012

hseroK divaD posted:

https://twitter.com/ADSBexchange/status/1496868580654157824

big plane dead so what

# ? Feb 24, 2022 22:10

RadiRoot: Feb 3, 2007

A Bakers Cousin posted:

Dear Jeffrey and the rest of SA,

I call on you...

the person radicalized to the far right please raise your hand

# ? Feb 24, 2022 22:13

Paramemetic: Sep 29, 2003; Area 51. You heard of it, right?; Fallen Rib

https://twitter.com/ApeFreedom/status/1496905436997767168?s=20&t=fc0gmWicJG1XblnRMD7_SQ

This is the greatest possible timeline, for content.

# ? Feb 24, 2022 22:13

Honky Mao: Dec 26, 2012

lumpentroll posted:

is louis ck in kiev right now?

Lord God please I don't ask for much,

# ? Feb 24, 2022 22:13

IAMKOREA: Apr 21, 2007

A Bakers Cousin posted:

Dear Jeffrey and the rest of SA,

I call on you...

Lmao at the example of decommunizing Chile through force for electing a leftist government being some unimaginable thing

# ? Feb 24, 2022 22:13

Lastgirl: Sep 7, 1997; Good Morning!
Sunday Morning!

https://twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/1496950074034868227

# ? Feb 24, 2022 22:13

spacemang_spliff: Nov 29, 2014; wide pickle

it's interesting the reaction to Russia invading Ukraine compared to the US invading Iraq

# ? Feb 24, 2022 22:14

Lastgirl: Sep 7, 1997; Good Morning!
Sunday Morning!

Paramemetic posted:

https://twitter.com/ApeFreedom/status/1496905436997767168?s=20&t=fc0gmWicJG1XblnRMD7_SQ

This is the greatest possible timeline, for content.

biden really out here endorsing nft lethal aid??

# ? Feb 24, 2022 22:14

OK baizuo: Mar 19, 2021; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Mantis42 posted:

https://twitter.com/NotWoofers/status/1496945783597592576?s=20&t=CxyBu5P9vRgY8feMgFIRhw

You know who else flooded the civilian populace with weapons during a final desperate battle for their capital

# ? Feb 24, 2022 22:14

Zedhe Khoja: Nov 10, 2017; sürgünden selamlar
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An absolute monster posted:

Welcome to total war. Destroying infrastructure is how they are fought. This is nothing new.

What you appear to be doing is nitpicking what 'war', and war is cruelty. But unlike the second Iraq war, which was very much OUR fault, the Iraqi army invaded Kuwait and were the aggressors.

Frankly, you need to find something better to bitch about.

Again, this is how total war works. Its cruel.

That's war. Are you asking us to reform war?

the mods are not ok folks

# ? Feb 24, 2022 22:15

etalian: Mar 20, 2006

Paramemetic posted:

https://twitter.com/ApeFreedom/status/1496905436997767168?s=20&t=fc0gmWicJG1XblnRMD7_SQ

This is the greatest possible timeline, for content.

How long will it take the Russians to steal all these NFT apes?

# ? Feb 24, 2022 22:15

GIRL BRAINS: Sep 5, 2011; The gods are small birds

gently caress Putin, not for the invasion but for the inevitable online backlash

# ? Feb 24, 2022 22:15

paul_soccer12: Jan 5, 2020; by Fluffdaddy

i think all these videos this guy posts are from other conflicts? smells fake to me

https://twitter.com/ThomasVLinge/status/1496821171119079430

# ? Feb 24, 2022 22:16

Pablo Nergigante: Apr 16, 2002

OK baizuo posted:

You know who else flooded the civilian populace with weapons during a final desperate battle for their capital

You guessed it - Frank Stallone.

# ? Feb 24, 2022 22:16

Ignorant Hick: Mar 26, 2010

lol they actually did it

# ? Feb 24, 2022 22:16

Justin Tyme: Feb 22, 2011

Lastgirl posted:

biden really out here endorsing nft lethal aid??

lmao this is a real sicko rug pull about to happen, I admire the gross audacity

# ? Feb 24, 2022 22:18

frankenfreak: Feb 16, 2007; I SCORED 85% ON A QUIZ ABOUT MONDAY NIGHT RAW AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS LOUSY TEXT

#bastionboogerbrigade

Rexicon1 posted:

the absolute funniest outcome would be if Russia lost

# ? Feb 24, 2022 22:18

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# ? Jun 8, 2024 01:09

Rip Testes: Jan 29, 2004; I never forget a face, but in your case I'll be glad to make an exception.

Two questions:

(1) What are examples of sanctions working to relinquish foreign control of a territory
(2) How likely/effective will an insurgency be against Russian forces

Seeing a lot of belief that the Ukrainians have this once their military is gone and the Russian totally will fold since their morale always crumbles. Who would supply Ukraine for an insurgency?

# ? Feb 24, 2022 22:18

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