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wetdela posted:Oh, amazing! Welcome to Ukrainian political chat! Hungarian borders are open, anyone can enter.
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Al-Saqr posted:They can always provide us with video of them strolling into the airport, i don’t want to wake up tomorrow to daylight footage of the Russians still holding the airport This is kind of moot since there is absolutely zero scenarios where France would be fighting Russia alone. quarantinethepast posted:Ironically it's a form of American exceptionalism turned on its head; in any conflict involving the US in any way the US is uniquely evil and wrong, and we must focus completely on the US and its faults and ignore or pardon what any other country is doing. In fact the US is so evil it justifies by whataboutism the most wretched behavior by any country because the US has done it worse, up to and including genocide. There seems to be trail that ultimately is sourced by my quote, and I'd like to say I never implied that Russia was "good" or that NATO was some sort of enemy. I acknowledge people with such views exist (especially in this very forum) but I don't think I deserve to be lumped in with them. Mokotow posted:Polish borders are open. Document requirements are waived. Reception centers are operational. Regulations have been lifted so far as to even allow bringing in house pets. This is very warming if true.
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Paracausal posted:now we're getting into the cool zone Reminder that the head of Roscosmos is literally this guy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aI0eEH_ZuHE
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TulliusCicero posted:Yeah I'm with you on this, dude doesn't care about anything else at this point than his "Greater Russia, Putin Restorer of borders" delusion again this won't end in a week probably and it will get worse, sanctions will build. my guess is those protests in moscow will get bigger and hopefully spark poo poo if he crushes them.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:again this won't end in a week probably and it will get worse, sanctions will build. my guess is those protests in moscow will get bigger and hopefully spark poo poo if he crushes them. Honestly the Putin regime just kind of slow-motion farting itself to death over this is the best case scenario for global peace, in terms of how it would hopefully influence other countries decisions w/r/t Taiwan, Kashmir, whatever.
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Really concerned about Chernihiv. Host family is hiding in their basement. I'm not really seeing that battle covered unless the Russians have bypassed it. My host sister heard from the family that the tanks have destroyed all the roads that were newly built last year. Russians were also using loud speakers to do the usual "Stay away from us and you'll be safe we won't harm you" from their tank propaganda bullshit.
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Paracausal posted:now we're getting into the cool zone Now they're cribbing from Red Alert 3.
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Willo567 posted:How worried should we be about the war spiraling out of control? until I saw that message about Russia threatening to de-orbit the ISS, I'd say rather low, but now? who the gently caress knows I'll have to say, when I woke up this morning, I wouldn't have imagined "dying by a burning piece of ISS impaling your apartment building" to be an option for any of us, it seems like the dumbest and most unlikely way to go
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mmkay posted:Do we know what's happening with the Russian and Ukrainian navies? Was the Kuznetsov part of the 'drills' and it's fulfilling its role as a mobilea a large portion of the ukraine navy was captured in 2014 when crimea was taken. ukraine effectively does not have a navy russia deployed naval units to support the push along the southern coast of ukraine
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Willo567 posted:How worried should we be about the war spiraling out of control? Depends where you and your family/friends live. If you live in Ukraine east of Kyiv, then 10/10? If you live in Lviv, 9/10? If you live in old Warsaw Pact countries, then probably like... 3/10? VVV: That's also the impression I got.
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TulliusCicero posted:Holy poo poo they are actually going to do a (comparitively tiny) colony drop Doesn't sound like a direct threat. It's more like he's reminding the world that the Russian cargo ships are the only thing keeping the ISS in orbit. Without periodic re-boosts, the station will fall back to Earth at a random location under its ground track -- which does include a lot more American and European territory than Russian.
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Paracausal posted:now we're getting into the cool zone Oh righ, I didn't even consider this. This is going to be another giant win for all the private space aeronautics dipshits like Musk. Yet another reason to hate Putin.
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Libluini posted:until I saw that message about Russia threatening to de-orbit the ISS, I'd say rather low, but now? who the gently caress knows There are other spacecraft that have been tested for use in boosting the ISS. The Russian ones are the main ones that have been used, but not the only ones that could be used.
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From a bunch of pages back and worthless but several people reacted to it so it doesn't hurt to mention.Conspiratiorist posted:Well, that's what I thought. This man got on that plane 100% knowing he'd not be coming back, and that Flanker looked to be taking the advantageous position at the end of the clip. I have no interest in convincing him this way or that, but for anyone who read it he has just made up some some cool sounding airplane stuff that has no basis in the videos he linked. Maybe he has read something somewhere that I haven't and not linked it, more likely he just likes planes and dreamed up some hero scenario. War isn't good for anyone's mental health.
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Powered Descent posted:Doesn't sound like a direct threat. It's more like he's reminding the world that the Russian cargo ships are the only thing keeping the ISS in orbit. Without periodic re-boosts, the station will fall back to Earth at a random location under its ground track -- which does include a lot more American and European territory than Russian.
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Willo567 posted:How worried should we be about the war spiraling out of control? A long, grinding occupation that kills a bunch of people seems very much possible. A broader regional conflict however seems very unlikely.
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Keep in mind that Russian "leadership" is 50% complete goons with liked responsibility who exist to say inflammatory nonsense to the base. It's a country of Herman Goerings and the only news channel is Fox News. They are not going to deorbit the ISS.
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So all those reports from yesterday about Russians landing in Odessa, did any of that turn out to be true?
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Dapper_Swindler posted:again this won't end in a week probably and it will get worse, sanctions will build. my guess is those protests in moscow will get bigger and hopefully spark poo poo if he crushes them. I think Putin expected 2-3 days and it's over. Most Russians are still in shock mode, sitting at home. Even the Putin die-hards going "hell yeah" will start to question what's going on as the economy around them crumbles. If this drags on there will be a lot more vocal and unhappy crowds. Important to mention is that war supporters are expecting civilians to wave Russian flags and flowers as tanks roll in as that was the propaganda programming. They won't see this on TV to re-assure their views. Rad Russian fucked around with this message at 22:32 on Feb 24, 2022 |
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Popete posted:I thought the consensus was Russia wouldn't have the resources to take all of Ukraine (and hold it)? With the attack forces that they massed at the border in the previous weeks and months, it seems like a daunting task. Even if limiting the occupation to "just" the Kyiv-Odessa line and everything east of it it's a big area, many big cities and also some nice big forests where guerrillas could hide. But they could also call reserves for occupation duty, you don't need A quality troops to watch over roadblocks.
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Charliegrs posted:So all those reports from yesterday about Russians landing in Odessa, did any of that turn out to be true? No, just missiles.
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Paracausal posted:now we're getting into the cool zone Reminder that Roscosmos's chief's sole job qualification is being a nazi, and his statements tend to be consistent with that sort of worldview.
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I don’t think they are threatening the iss like a supervillain. They are pointing out that other than like a demo launch for space x that docked with the iss like 99% of all the functional launches to the iss in the last ten years have all been Russian, it’s not so easy to cut them out as punishment to Russia, the iss needs Russia more than Russia needs the iss. “Good luck keeping it from falling without fuel launches” isn’t really a claim they are going to weaponize it since they don’t command it, it’s a claim Russian launches are the only thing that keeps giving it enough fuel to stay in orbit. Elon musk launches don’t do that stuff yet and the us hasn’t launched anything to the iss since 2011
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:I feel like the French army is perfectly fine but the us right made a big deal with France being super weak so the us left has to talk up that the French army is actually the strongest in the universe and could fight god when it’s mostly just a normal army that is not super special In either direction. Doesn’t matter much how strong the French army is when its president blabs about the finlandization of Ukraine at a meeting with Putin.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:We have no details. We (kind of) know it was 31st VDV, so almost literally the best infantry brigade Russia has, think Russian MARSOC. We also know that they held the airfield for half a day, and that Ukrainians ended up escalating to tanks and artillery fire. If I had to make a guess, they got blow up alongside their cover. Just curious, do you have any sources on it being the 31st VDV?
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Paracausal posted:now we're getting into the cool zone Pretty sure that's a rad way to make sure no one works with your country on space projects ever again.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:I don’t think they are threatening the iss like a supervillain. They are pointing out that other than like a demo launch for space x that docked with the iss like 99% of all the functional launches to the iss in the last ten years have all been Russian, it’s not so easy to cut them out as punishment to Russia, the iss needs Russia more than Russia needs the iss. “Good luck keeping it from falling without fuel launches” isn’t really a claim they are going to weaponize it since they don’t command it, it’s a claim Russian launches are the only thing that keeps giving it enough fuel to stay in orbit. Elon musk launches don’t do that stuff yet and the us hasn’t launched anything to the iss since 2011 Time to nationalize Space-X and restart the space program.
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Yeah, he's saying the ISS will fall down unless periodically boosted by Russian Soyuz, which is only true until another craft does the job, which it will after it gets massive funding real soon.
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Randarkman posted:Time to nationalize Space-X and restart the space program. You mean time to shovel couple more trillion dollars to Musk, Bezos and other unaccountable black holes.
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https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1496959123707109394 if this is actually true ukraine seems to be on the ropes alreadyuniversal conscription is not a measure you take unless you absolutely have to
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This is... troubling. Brest, Belarus is literally on the Polish border. https://twitter.com/JackDetsch/status/1496958617945317377
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this airport thing is still bugging me. i know russia's military culture is very different from ours, but i think if we sent a few hundred special forces to their death at an airport behind enemy lines, it would result in several ruined careers and maybe a few movies about one of the biggest military blunders in decades.
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A big flaming stink posted:https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1496959123707109394 What about the invasion scenario in of itself has made you think it was ever anything less then a complete ultra emergency on every level?
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A big flaming stink posted:https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1496959123707109394 That's a pretty wide age range to be men in realistic fighting shape, making me  about whether some of it's to alleviate concerns from neighbors about hosting male refugees. But there's no point in doing conscription after you've already been conquered so now's the time if they're ever going to do it.
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The US built a backup orbital assist module just in case of this eventuality, and mothballed it in DC. It is estimated that it would take a couple years to refurbish, but I bet what they'd do is just adapt that design to a Falcon 9 / Falcon Heavy with a Dragon. I'm sure Elon will have his folks working on it pronto, just in case the market opens up. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interim_Control_Module https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISS_Propulsion_Module
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OddObserver posted:Reminder that Roscosmos's chief's sole job qualification is being a nazi, and his statements tend to be consistent with that sort of worldview. 
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A big flaming stink posted:https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1496959123707109394 They already sent out conscription letters earlier in the day to nationals abroad earlier in the day, calling them to report for duty. Tbh, this is probably a standard procedure under martial law It doesn't mean they are going to conscript every single fighting age male.
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chupacabraTERROR posted:This is... troubling. Brest, Belarus is literally on the Polish border. Brest is the nearest city of note in Belarus near the Ukrainian western borders. Which might indicate they're going to try and slide down and close off the Ukrainian border with Poland? Lviv is down there too so there's another reason.
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Concerned Citizen posted:this airport thing is still bugging me. i know russia's military culture is very different from ours, but i think if we sent a few hundred special forces to their death at an airport behind enemy lines, it would result in several ruined careers and maybe a few movies about one of the biggest military blunders in decades. We don't know what's happening or even what has happened currently.
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Rad Russian posted:I think Putin expected 2-3 days and it's over. Most Russians are still in shock mode, sitting at home. Even the Putin die-hards going "hell yeah" will start to question what's going on as the economy around them crumbles. If this drags on there will be a lot more vocal and unhappy crowds. Important to mention is that war supporters are expecting civilians to wave Russian flags and flowers as tanks roll in as that was the propaganda programming. They won't see this on TV to re-assure their views. i assume the invasion will probably be a couple weeks but who the gently caress knows. i doubt the ukranians are gonna give up and they can move the goverment westward and obvious create a goverment in exile. this poo poo isnt going away. Sinteres posted:That's a pretty wide age range to be men in realistic fighting shape, making me the russians and their lickspittles are gonna war crime anyway. already have a bunch today.
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