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Zephro posted:I mean it's a dumb talking point created by an idiot but saying "we'll drop the ISS on your heads" is basically saying "we'll drop 400 tons of thin metal tubes randomly across Europe", ie not exactly a chilling threat even by the standards of idiots with dumb talking points The threat here isn't a physical threat of "We're going to use ISS as a kinetic impact weapon" so much as it's "We're willing to let the fucker die if we don't get our way." If that's a sanctioned statement from the Kremlin, it's an indication of Putin's resolve. The ISS itself isn't particularly valuable any more, however it is one of the last remaining vestiges of cooperation between the US and Russia - this is a power play letting us (potentially) know what their priorities are.
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Zephro posted:I mean it's a dumb talking point created by an idiot but saying "we'll drop the ISS on your heads" is basically saying "we'll drop 400 tons of thin metal tubes randomly across Europe", ie not exactly a chilling threat even by the standards of idiots with dumb talking points
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A GIANT PARSNIP posted:I imagine a lot of NATO troops and equipment are about to flow into the Baltics, Poland, and Romania so I wouldn’t be surprised that Russia would want to do the same on the other side of the border. If they are looking to gobble all of Ukraine and not leave a rump state, Brest would be a logical place to move south and secure Ukraine's western border. No one is invading Poland
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Shooting Blanks posted:The threat here isn't a physical threat of "We're going to use ISS as a kinetic impact weapon" so much as it's "We're willing to let the fucker die if we don't get our way." If that's a sanctioned statement from the Kremlin, it's an indication of Putin's resolve. The ISS itself isn't particularly valuable any more, however it is one of the last remaining vestiges of cooperation between the US and Russia - this is a power play letting us (potentially) know what their priorities are. Hardly anyone would care if the ISS just vanished tomorrow, including most of the space cadet crowd. They'd mostly be pleased that there'd no longer be a need to support it and so the money could be spent on more interesting/worthwhile stuff.
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Zephro posted:I mean it's a dumb talking point created by an idiot but saying "we'll drop the ISS on your heads" is basically saying "we'll drop 400 tons of thin metal tubes randomly across Europe", ie not exactly a chilling threat even by the standards of idiots with dumb talking points He's threatening the loss of the ISS itself more than any kinetic bombardment
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cinci zoo sniper posted:https://twitter.com/kofmanmichael/status/1496850009261813761 Thanks. One follow-up question: do you know of any resource that describes the overall level of these groups? I.e., why is the 31st considered one of the most elite and are there others of note? I found this report that gives an overview the situation: https://www.understandingwar.org/sites/default/files/Initial%20Russian%20Offensive%20Campaign%20Assessment.pdf. Can't speak to how reputable they are, but some of the things they say seem to line up with the news today.
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i am a moron posted:The difference is the US would've obliterated the attack on the airport after the Rangers or some other light infantry unit took it with combined arms. I'm not a military nerd, so if the Russians got their SF/SEAL equivalents killed trying to fight a conventional fight they're stupid as hell. Our special forces wouldn't have been there in the first place.
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A big flaming stink posted:https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1496959123707109394 Well, when you’re invaded by Russia and the fate of your loving country is on the line, don’t you think it’s best to say, “hey it’s okay for your families to leave, but men of fighting age need to stick around just in case.” Arguments about the fairness of conscripting people to fight wars aside, this actually just reinforces my feeling that Ukraine is going to fight and resist, and just isn’t interested in Putin’s suggestion everyone lay down their arms and go home to be It’s good news, frankly, not bad news.
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Would it be okay if I posted takes of the situation from media figures or is this strictly "only official news updates, no takes at all" type of thread? It seems that mods are (rightfully) doing their best to keep the thread on track and I do not want to disrespect them. I'm not entirely sure of the unspoken rules here.
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Libluini posted:Grouchio wanted me to share this with the thread. Apparently not much of the ISS would even survive deorbiting, so "only" the astronauts would die, if it comes to that. Sinteres posted:They're probed and just tricked you into evading probation. I messed up my probation message, so please find the full HD copy enclosed. 
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Nazzadan posted:Man, hard RIP to these guys Martyrs of Freedom and Democracy. Heroes.
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Shooting Blanks posted:The threat here isn't a physical threat of "We're going to use ISS as a kinetic impact weapon" so much as it's "We're willing to let the fucker die if we don't get our way." If that's a sanctioned statement from the Kremlin, it's an indication of Putin's resolve. The ISS itself isn't particularly valuable any more, however it is one of the last remaining vestiges of cooperation between the US and Russia - this is a power play letting us (potentially) know what their priorities are. It's not even that, it was literally just a suggestion that sanctions could effect the russian space program and russian "nasa" going "hey, if you don't refuel the ISS do you want it to fall on europe or do you want to explain to china letting junk drop on them?" Like it wasn't even a threat they were going to make it fall, it was literally like "hey dumbass, you can't block funding to russian refueling missions to the ISS". It's like if there was a big dam and some country down river was going to sanction money for repair on it. Responding "are you sure about this" is a totally reasonable response
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buglord posted:99% certain it’s just me but when I saw the ISS tweet linked several pages ago I kept not understanding what the significance or the connection was but I didn’t realize it was *that* International Space Station ISS. What other iss is there?
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https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1496969989978472452 I think I saw something earlier today about Ukraine having different levels of mobilisation, so no idea what this actually equates to - but probably related to the 18-60 thing earlier.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:It's not even that, it was literally just a suggestion that sanctions could effect the russian space program and russian "nasa" going "hey, if you don't refuel the ISS do you want it to fall on europe or do you want to explain to china letting junk drop on them?" Like it wasn't even a threat they were going to make it fall, it was literally like "hey dumbass, you can't block funding to russian refueling missions to the ISS". Once again Rogozin is famously an idiot and everything he says should be ignored
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https://twitter.com/michaeldweiss/status/1496958588685856774?s=20&t=veeMYbjBnjn-ELjTvgDu6g "I live just off Saskahanskoho.... yeah." Mod edit: currently we're encouraging tweets showing pows, including this Russian spy dumbass, to be spoiler tagged or something. mod double edit: I swear there's a way to do it so it still embeds the tweet but can't remember how 
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Nazzadan posted:Man, hard RIP to these guys Unbelievable. I listened to the recording and thought how brave of these guys to stand up against impossible odds for their values, then read the second tweet and now I feel really sad.
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A GIANT PARSNIP posted:SPACE WAR Send the Marines! Er, Space Force!
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Shes Not Impressed posted:https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1496966612057997319?s=20&t=bPyhxKiw8fAwujTC321aeQ i think that will happen by this weekend/next week.
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Shes Not Impressed posted:https://twitter.com/michaeldweiss/status/1496958588685856774?s=20&t=veeMYbjBnjn-ELjTvgDu6g Sucks to be that guy. I don’t know how Ukraine feels about capital punishment, but the Geneva Protocols still allow for non-uniformed combatants operating behind the front lines to be unceremoniously shot.
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steinrokkan posted:What other iss is there? In Scandinavia it's a cleaning company. In the good old days it was a strategy game company.
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Shes Not Impressed posted:Really concerned about Chernihiv. Host family is hiding in their basement. What is a “host family” or “host sister?”
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punk rebel ecks posted:There seems to be trail that ultimately is sourced by my quote, and I'd like to say I never implied that Russia was "good" or that NATO was some sort of enemy. I acknowledge people with such views exist (especially in this very forum) but I don't think I deserve to be lumped in with them. Tbf I wasn't referring to you, more to supposed leftists outside of this forum on the internet in general.
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Welp, my family in laws didn't make it to Moldova in time before the general conscription. Godspeed to all the men staring down the barrel of Russian aggression. Hopefully the women and kids can still make it.
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Nenonen posted:In Scandinavia it's a cleaning company. In the good old days it was a strategy game company. Close, the latter was SSI.
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dominoeffect posted:Thanks. One follow-up question: do you know of any resource that describes the overall level of these groups? I.e., why is the 31st considered one of the most elite and are there others of note? You are asking for a lot of reading but here you go: https://www.armyupress.army.mil/portals/7/hot%20spots/documents/russia/2017-07-the-russian-way-of-war-grau-bartles.pdf Bartles is probabley the easiest best read on this. To turn a 400 page book into a couple of lines; much of Russia's army is configured to be operationally effetive but tactically fairly low skill and only capable of a number of set piece battle drills. The airborne forces are the ones that by neccesity are trained to be a lot more flexible and adaptive to a changing battlefield. e: the above link really goes for anyone who wants to understand how the modern Russian army has reformed since the Soviet days but retains much of that lineage and fights in a very different way to how Western armies train to fight. Alchenar fucked around with this message at 23:22 on Feb 24, 2022 |
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Dapper_Swindler posted:i think that will happen by this weekend/next week. Even SWIFT is getting resistance. Zero chance they touch oil, that would plunge the world economy into turmoil. Gas can technically be covered by US imports, however, the issue is that European ports don't have the capacity to accept enough gas to cover their needs.
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ZombieLenin posted:Sucks to be that guy. I don’t know how Ukraine feels about capital punishment, but the Geneva Protocols still allow for non-uniformed combatants operating behind the front lines to be unceremoniously shot. It's what he deserves. They'll probably hold onto him, but they'd be well within their rights.
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ZombieLenin posted:Sucks to be that guy. I don’t know how Ukraine feels about capital punishment, but the Geneva Protocols still allow for non-uniformed combatants operating behind the front lines to be unceremoniously shot. that guys loving dead, after they get information from him. Rad Russian posted:Even SWIFT is getting resistance. Zero chance they touch oil, that would plunge the world economy into turmoil. agreed.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:I messed up my probation message, so please find the full HD copy enclosed. This might be my favorite comedy sixer of all time. 
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Boris Galerkin posted:What is a “host family” or “host sister?” In the Peace Corps you are placed in a host family and live with them during training which is 3 months. I then spent another 6-8 months with another family at my permanent site. My host family in Chernihiv participated in the program because they wanted to encourage speaking Ukrainian and home and help their kids pick up English. Before they hosted a volunteer they only spoke Russian, I think. It's the predominant language in Chernihiv.
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Kamrat posted:Thought we weren't supposed to post POWs? By the rules the tweet maybe should be spoiler tagged, yeah. I'll edit it for guy.
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Nenonen posted:In Scandinavia it's a cleaning company. In the good old days it was a strategy game company. Wasn't the game company SSI? Or do you mean someone else?
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dominoeffect posted:Thanks. One follow-up question: do you know of any resource that describes the overall level of these groups? I.e., why is the 31st considered one of the most elite and are there others of note? I don’t have any power level rankings for various Russian infantry. However, you can infer some things from their names: Simple brigade will be like “69th Air Assault Brigade”. With combat experience and successful missions, Russian military units get additional honourifics or awards. These guys? 31st Separate Guards Order of Kutuzov 2nd class Air Assault Brigade. That’s an award, Order of Kutuzov II; a honourific, Guards; and the fact that they’re a Separate Brigade generally means at least one of the following two - they don’t need babysitting by a broader army structure, or they have special logistical support needs, like fancy equipment. 31st fought in 2nd Chechen War, Georgia War, Crimea annexation, and Kazakhstan uprising. cinci zoo sniper fucked around with this message at 23:34 on Feb 24, 2022 |
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