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Madurai
Jun 26, 2012

Is this accurate? I don't know, but it's cool to mess around with.

https://www.gfsis.org/maps/russian-military-forces?fbclid=IwAR3vSXhzivAPXvf8B6ARxJX8Vh69zqJhXLl0lVEyXyU2l0dTXT1YPUfumhg

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Acebuckeye13
Nov 2, 2010

Against All Tyrants

Ultra Carp
https://twitter.com/ELINTNews/status/1496987322553876480?s=20&t=M69AG3n_I2MLTcBxJkND5w

https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1496973896922263572?s=20&t=R8oGv-S58PHGUha7IVAtww

Take with a grain of salt, obviously.

AreWeDrunkYet posted:

With how much the stealth features on the F-22 have been celebrated, could Raptors be used over Ukraine while maintaining plausible deniability about US involvement?

F-22s aren't quite invisible to radar and are obviously quite visible to the naked eye.

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns
https://twitter.com/lachlan/status/1496991029299499010

https://twitter.com/ItsGEEnotG/status/1496987866878160899?s=20&t=vrv822Jk_gOgWtPwMkFOcA

https://twitter.com/olex_scherba/status/1496980105326911492

... I wouldn't want to be a military occupying large cities belonging to these people, propaganda stories or not.

facialimpediment fucked around with this message at 00:48 on Feb 25, 2022

Natty Ninefingers
Feb 17, 2011

AreWeDrunkYet posted:

With how much the stealth features on the F-22 have been celebrated, could Raptors be used over Ukraine while maintaining plausible deniability about US involvement?


Doing it secretly and getting caught ( in an undeniable way) would make more of a stink than doing it openly.

Comrade Blyatlov
Aug 4, 2007


should have picked four fingers





AreWeDrunkYet posted:

With how much the stealth features on the F-22 have been celebrated, could Raptors be used over Ukraine while maintaining plausible deniability about US involvement?

Acebuckeye13 posted:


F-22s aren't quite invisible to radar and are obviously quite visible to the naked eye.

Nonsense. There are at least 100 of them there right now.

Natty Ninefingers
Feb 17, 2011

Comrade Blyatlov posted:

Nonsense. There are at least 100 of them there right now.

Millions and millions!

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"
The Russians had enough time to track F-22s over Syria to know how/what to look for. Given that we know they've got S-400 batteries in place I don't think we'd want to roll those dice.

Handsome Ralph
Sep 3, 2004

Oh boy, posting!
That's where I'm a Viking!


BIG HEADLINE posted:

The Russians had enough time to track F-22s over Syria to know how/what to look for. Given that we know they've got S-400 batteries in place I don't think we'd want to roll those dice.

IIRC, the USAF specifically had them fly with stuff on external hard points so the Russians/Iran/whoever couldn't get profiles on them for when they fly completely stealth.

Naked Bear
Apr 15, 2007

Boners was recorded before a studio audience that was alive!
Let's not forget, too, about the F-117 and U-2 being shot down.

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost
We are not flying F-22s over Ukraine. Also the most rapidly available F-22s just got deployed to UAE. Clancy poo poo.

Speaking of conspiratorial bullshit, what did he know?!

https://twitter.com/theweeknd/status/1496690244753641472?s=21

Stultus Maximus
Dec 21, 2009

USPOL May



Slavs are a remarkable combination of hard-as-gently caress evolved on brutal steppe and strangely poetic.

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"

Naked Bear posted:

Let's not forget, too, about the F-117 and U-2 being shot down.

The F-117 got got because we flew predictable routes and they used some clever jerry-rigged emitter setup that allowed them to triangulate the whereabouts of the jet (but not radiate long enough to eat a HARM) to launch a volley of SA-3s at him.

Supposedly a *second* F-117 got damaged *after* the 3/27/99 incident but was able to make it back to base.

McNally
Sep 13, 2007

Ask me about Proposition 305


Do you like muskets?

Naked Bear posted:

Let's not forget, too, about the F-117 and U-2 being shot down.

U-2 is not remotely stealthy.

Naked Bear
Apr 15, 2007

Boners was recorded before a studio audience that was alive!
Yes and yes. I just mean to say that (even if we were dumb enough to get directly involved) we shouldn't think of the F-22 or F-35 as immune to ground fire, and the loss of an airframe and any debris recovery would be Bad.

Marshal Prolapse
Jun 23, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

BIG HEADLINE posted:

The F-117 got got because we flew predictable routes and they used some clever jerry-rigged emitter setup that allowed them to triangulate the whereabouts of the jet (but not radiate long enough to eat a HARM) to launch a volley of SA-3s at him.

Supposedly a *second* F-117 got damaged *after* the 3/27/99 incident but was able to make it back to base.

I think it was also the profile against the moon if I’m remembering correctly. It didn’t help that the pilot was a total douche bag if I remember…Scott O’Grady dipshit and chud.

McNally
Sep 13, 2007

Ask me about Proposition 305


Do you like muskets?

Marshal Prolapse posted:

I think it was also the profile against the moon if I’m remembering correctly. It didn’t help that the pilot was a total douche bag if I remember…Scott O’Grady dipshit and chud.

Scott O'Grady was an F-16 pilot

ThisIsJohnWayne
Feb 23, 2007
Ooo! Look at me! NO DON'T LOOK AT ME!



https://twitter.com/aletweetsnews/status/1496991632566198272?t=5a7Tgcv3xYOqMFZ7YrFVog&s=19

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"

Marshal Prolapse posted:

I think it was also the profile against the moon if I’m remembering correctly. It didn’t help that the pilot was a total douche bag if I remember…Scott O’Grady dipshit and chud.

The F-117 pilot and the dude most chiefly responsible for shooting him down became friends, actually. I've not met a *lot* of Nighthawk pilots, only two, actually, but neither of them were anything but top shelf Grade A dudes. You've gotta have a lot of confidence to be a doorkicker flying a plane that can only fly subsonic and has a tendency to turn into a cartwheeling Dorito chip when it's hit.

Marshal Prolapse
Jun 23, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
My apologies I got Douchenozzle confused with the pilot and yeah I recall them meeting now, and feel quite silly for mixing the two up. Especially since the F117 pilot was not a thunder turd or anything.

Comrade Blyatlov
Aug 4, 2007


should have picked four fingers





BIG HEADLINE posted:

The F-117 pilot and the dude most chiefly responsible for shooting him down became friends, actually. I've not met a *lot* of Nighthawk pilots, only two, actually, but neither of them were anything but top shelf Grade A dudes. You've gotta have a lot of confidence to be a doorkicker flying a plane that can only fly subsonic and has a tendency to turn into a cartwheeling Dorito chip when it's hit.

Reminds me of a tale in Blind Man's Bluff of an underwater collision between a US and Soviet sub, both captains being utterly convinced they'd sunk the other and meeting after the Cold War.

CBJSprague24
Dec 5, 2010

another game at nationwide arena. everybody keeps asking me if they can fuck the cannon. buddy, they don't even let me fuck it

A friend sent me this which is long, but seems to provide some more insight as to what's going on: https://www.facebook.com/watch/live/?ref=watch_permalink&v=327365416022555

She suggests Putin is coming down harder on Navalny than usual because he's weak at home and the corruption in Russia is starting to come back on them.

boop the snoot
Jun 3, 2016
Ghost of Kyiv might be the most metal nickname I've ever heard

rock the gently caress on Ghost of Kyiv.

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?

I go to look up snake island because I thought it sounded familiar and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Snake_Island

Talk about fast

Comrade Blyatlov
Aug 4, 2007


should have picked four fingers





boop the snoot posted:

Ghost of Kyiv might be the most metal nickname I've ever heard

rock the gently caress on Ghost of Kyiv.

now i'm thinking of one of my favourite b films, Ghosts of Mars, and imagining Ice Cube running out into the middle of the russian army yelling COME ON YOU MINDLESS MOTHAFUCKAS

Marshal Prolapse
Jun 23, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Because of course Russia started throwing artillery shells right next to Chernobyl.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice

Marshal Prolapse posted:

Because of course Russia started throwing artillery shells right next to Chernobyl.

Given their approach to war I'd genuinely be questioning if it was accidental or purposeful.

Marshal Prolapse
Jun 23, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

bird food bathtub posted:

Given their approach to war I'd genuinely be questioning if it was accidental or purposeful.

I think that’s a very valid point.

Kazinsal
Dec 13, 2011

bird food bathtub posted:

Given their approach to war I'd genuinely be questioning if it was accidental or purposeful.

Considering that the wind in Pripyat right now is blowing towards Belarus, releasing a bunch of radioactive material would hurt the Neo-Russian Empire more than it would Ukraine.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

bird food bathtub posted:

Given their approach to war I'd genuinely be questioning if it was accidental or purposeful.

Bloody stupid either way, given that the prevailing winds will blow all those roentgens back on Russian lines of communication.

Untagged
Mar 29, 2004

Hey, does your planet have wiper fluid yet or you gonna freak out and start worshiping us?
There was a sciency youtuber earlier speculating that while it may be a leak, it's also possible just between the armor movement and heavy shelling reported that enough radioactive dirt and dust has been kicked up to cause a spike.

Comrade Blyatlov
Aug 4, 2007


should have picked four fingers







Stultus Maximus
Dec 21, 2009

USPOL May
And I'm done for the day.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ukrainenews0/status/1496845105428193286

ThisIsJohnWayne
Feb 23, 2007
Ooo! Look at me! NO DON'T LOOK AT ME!



https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1497024504455139330?t=AMwccOTPpamRuZu6kOec-g&s=19

Suicide Watch
Sep 8, 2009
Telling how there isnt a Nickel Grass degree of resupply going on here. It’s like the Biden admin has already conceded

orange juche
Mar 14, 2012



Suicide Watch posted:

Telling how there isnt a Nickel Grass degree of resupply going on here. It’s like the Biden admin has already conceded

When you have what is considered by most observers to be a non-rational actor in control of a large military force as well as the largest nuclear arsenal in the world, directly flying pallets of aid into a country that likely doesn't have any functional airstrips as of today is probably not wise. It's also literally D+1, everyone's still trying to figure out what in the gently caress is going on in the fog of war, which is a very real thing still with the amount of bogus info flying around online.

Zamujasa
Oct 27, 2010



Bread Liar
My zero-knowledge take is that the US is trying to stay largely uninvolved so that we don't aggro Russia, because Putin is a dope in control of more nukes than he has brain cells.

Suicide Watch
Sep 8, 2009

orange juche posted:

When you have what is considered by most observers to be a non-rational actor in control of a large military force as well as the largest nuclear arsenal in the world, directly flying pallets of aid into a country that likely doesn't have any functional airstrips as of today is probably not wise. It's also literally D+1, everyone's still trying to figure out what in the gently caress is going on in the fog of war, which is a very real thing still with the amount of bogus info flying around online.

Well a big part of Nickel Grass supposedly was that the IDF had nukes, which Ukraine gave up…I do agree that it’s early days still, perhaps Poland and Romania will start sending more equipment.

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"

Zamujasa posted:

My zero-knowledge take is that the US is trying to stay largely uninvolved so that we don't aggro Russia, because Putin is a dope in control of more nukes than he has brain cells.

I'm far more concerned about the potential use of chemical weapons.

CBJSprague24
Dec 5, 2010

another game at nationwide arena. everybody keeps asking me if they can fuck the cannon. buddy, they don't even let me fuck it

Zamujasa posted:

My zero-knowledge take is that the US is trying to stay largely uninvolved so that we don't aggro Russia, because Putin is a dope in control of more nukes than he has brain cells.

And he's a man running a country and war with all the composure and reasoning of someone who's downing a bottle of Stolichnaya per half-day.

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Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?

Suicide Watch posted:

Telling how there isnt a Nickel Grass degree of resupply going on here. It’s like the Biden admin has already conceded

Nickel Grass took a week to organize.

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