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Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

StashAugustine posted:

https://twitter.com/shaunwalker7/status/1496930702671196161?cxt=HHwWgsC9oeCilcYpAAAA

yknow ive been saying americans view everything through the lens of ww2 even when its obviously stupid and never considered the disease could spread to the kremlin
Sounds like you didn't think.

One of the most traumatic events in a century was an invasion from western Europe.

And now a military alliance of the same countries creeping closer again.

Lostconfused has issued a correction as of 07:26 on Feb 25, 2022

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Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1497093321621135362?s=20&t=Ls7LErxXD0ZNY5AIgr-wcA

quote:

I hurried home and went online, my internet thankfully restored. Russian troops, I read, had breached Ukrainian borders from Crimea and seized several border towns. Russian tanks had come close to Kharkiv, our second largest city. In a town right next to Kyiv, Russian helicopters attacked the local airport. And Russian forces captured Chernobyl, north of the capital. In the first hours of defending the country, more than 40 Ukrainian soldiers were killed and dozens were wounded.

Their sacrifice was true to our country. In this dreadful time, its fortitude, resourcefulness and spirit of resistance will shine through. Ukraine is ours, no matter what Mr. Putin says. I’m 31, born in the year Ukraine became independent: My adult life has been lived in the shadow cast by Russian aggression. First Mr. Putin annexed Crimea, then he fomented the war in the Donbas that has killed more than 14,000 people. Now the battle for Ukraine has come to a climax.

But it’s about more than Ukraine. It’s a contest between democracy and autocracy, freedom and dictatorship, whose implications will scatter across the world. It’s not our fight alone. So please don’t leave us alone to fight it.

Goast
Jul 23, 2011

by VideoGames

we aren't going to nuke the world for you lady, please stop asking us to

Hefty Leftist
Jun 26, 2011

"You know how vodka or whiskey are distilled multiple times to taste good? It's the same with shit. After being digested for the third time shit starts to taste reeeeeeaaaally yummy."



thoughts and prayers

Goast
Jul 23, 2011

by VideoGames
thankfully whoever is in charge of us charging into a conflict with another nuclear power remembers that nukes exist

unlike every dipshit warhawk on twitter

Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010

Goast posted:

we aren't going to nuke the world for you lady, please stop asking us to

i would but i guess i just center women's needs before my own like that

Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010

https://twitter.com/pmakela1/status/1497095610595528704?s=20&t=kXCy-b6OyyMwMgSUnnZYgQ

"krokodil orcs"

Majorian
Jul 1, 2009

okay that's pretty good ngl

Tiler Kiwi
Feb 26, 2011
they should just let the ultra nationalists on both sides have a battle royale on snake island

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.
it sounds like the battle of Kiev is starting the ukranians blew up a bridge leading to the city and reports that the Russians are closing in from multiple directions

Goast
Jul 23, 2011

by VideoGames
the finnish swamp goblin calls the russian a krokodil-ork

as the anglo demon claps and cheers

Blitz of 404 Error
Sep 19, 2007

Joe Biden is a top 15 president
All the captured Russian solders look like militia with their mismatched uniforms

Tiler Kiwi
Feb 26, 2011

if theyre old and dress like poo poo they're probably competent

Precambrian Video Games
Aug 19, 2002



Lostconfused posted:

Sounds like you didn't think.

One of the most traumatic events in a century was an invasion from western Europe.

And now a military alliance of the same countries creeping closer again.

Yes, Russia will only be safe once they annex Ukraine and no longer border several NATO-adjacent countries

heel turn
Jan 6, 2004

Some boy tried to step to me at the county fair. I said son u clearly have no ideal what creek im from
https://twitter.com/michaeldweiss/status/1497095863864205312

Putin's gameplan, allegedly.

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

An MIT professor actually wrote an article for a think tank about how NATO and the US were pointlessly going to get Ukrainians killed
https://www.justsecurity.org/80230/ukraine-unleashing-the-rhetorical-dogs-of-war/

quote:

Ukraine: Unleashing the Rhetorical Dogs of War
by Barry Posen

February 15, 2022

As Moscow threatens Ukraine to convince the United States and its European partners to abandon their post-Cold War policy of institutional creep to Russia’s borders, the U.S. foreign policy establishment has unleashed the (rhetorical) dogs of war. The joke among the troops of General George “Blood and Guts” Patton was, “yeah, his guts; our blood.” And just like Patton, some experts seem willing to fight to the last Ukrainian rather than give up the liberal hegemony project in Europe and treat Russia like a normal great power. Most great powers have a rule that they live by: political scientist Steve Van Evera calls it the NUPIMBY rule—no unfriendly powers in my backyard. The United States enforces this rule in its hemisphere; Russia is trying to establish it along its borders. An agreement among the United States, the European Union, Russia, and Ukraine itself that Ukraine would opt for neutrality rather than NATO membership would satisfy this principle, but so far Ukraine and its friends have rejected that solution.

Because President Biden explicitly has abjured any intention to send U.S. forces to fight in Ukraine and virtually no one believes that the outnumbered and outgunned Ukrainian military could today mount a successful defense of the country, two nostrums have been commended by U.S. experts. Both encourage the Ukrainians to fight the Russians, but have little likelihood of producing military success.
...
Advocates of arming the Ukrainians for a more robust conventional defense or for an insurgency implicitly acknowledge that U.S. forces either should not, or for political reasons cannot, help Ukraine defend itself. The solutions they recommend are unlikely to result in an autonomous, robust Ukrainian defensive capacity. Instead, these solutions simply would enable some heroic Ukrainians to kill and die more effectively for their country, while offering the promise of false hope that the West will come to its aid. And if Ukrainians believe that, then they also will continue to believe that they don’t have to swallow the bitter pill of accepting armed neutrality between NATO and Russia, rather than NATO membership. Is opening the door to this kind of bloody, but ultimately unsuccessful defense, really more in NATO’s interest and more in Ukraine’s interest than cutting a deal?

the article was so correct they had to print one calling it dumb and wrong. the Kremlin just hates democracy and loves conspiracy theories
https://www.justsecurity.org/80343/russias-new-assault-on-ukraine-is-not-entirely-maybe-not-even-largely-about-nato/

quote:

In his Feb. 15 Just Security article “Ukraine: Unleashing the Rhetorical Dogs of War,” Barry Posen argued that NATO and Ukraine should have cut a deal with Russia because the Ukrainian military would surely be defeated by Russia without direct U.S./Western military participation and U.S. offers of equipment were only encouraging a potential Ukrainian insurgency against Russian occupation that would be as bloody as it would be futile. The prescription depends entirely on Posen’s assumption that to satisfy Russia, all Ukraine would have had to do would be “to swallow the bitter pill of accepting armed neutrality between NATO and Russia, rather than NATO membership.”
...
If Not NATO, What is Putin’s Escalation About?

A longer look at Putin’s two decades in power shows that, above all, he fears political competition in the neighborhood. When mass protests over rigged elections swept across the post-Soviet space in 2003-2005, toppling the Georgian and Kyrgyz incumbents and preventing the pro-Russian candidate from taking office in Ukraine, the Kremlin exploded with fiery rhetoric about Western-backed anti-Russian plots. A recent book on conspiracy theories in the Russian media since 1995 shows that the 2003-2005 “color revolutions” were the top source of conspiratorial, anti-Western narratives. All 1997-2002 NATO enlargement summits are lower in the ranking of analyzed events. American realists have long argued that Russia was too weak to strike back with actions, but evidence shows that the Kremlin did not react with strong rhetoric either. Instead of decrying NATO expansion, Russia prioritized complaints about Western political “meddling” in its neighboring countries, by which Russia meant U.S. and European support for domestic democratization drives.

FuzzySlippers
Feb 6, 2009

For the battle of kiev about to start there is still a lot of pedestrians and casual motorists. I can hear some distant explosions though

Pooky
Aug 29, 2004

I post fox news so u don't have to 💋
https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/1497096687252299776
:ohdear:

Goast
Jul 23, 2011

by VideoGames

eXXon posted:

Yes, Russia will only be safe once they annex Ukraine and no longer border several NATO-adjacent countries

yeah that's what happens when the united states, shockingly, breaks all it's promises made in the past few decades

Google Butt
Oct 4, 2005

Xenology is an unnatural mixture of science fiction and formal logic. At its core is a flawed assumption...

that an alien race would be psychologically human.

im not gonna lie i think the american military would clap russian military very bad, sadly

the holy poopacy
May 16, 2009

hey! check this out
Fun Shoe

:rip: ukraine then

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Atrocious Joe posted:

An MIT professor actually wrote an article for a think tank about how NATO and the US were pointlessly going to get Ukrainians killed
https://www.justsecurity.org/80230/ukraine-unleashing-the-rhetorical-dogs-of-war/

the article was so correct they had to print one calling it dumb and wrong. the Kremlin just hates democracy and loves conspiracy theories
https://www.justsecurity.org/80343/russias-new-assault-on-ukraine-is-not-entirely-maybe-not-even-largely-about-nato/

lmao russian "conspiratorial , anti-western narratives" and then like a sentence later "U.S. and European support for domestic democratization drives." huh

Lostconfused posted:

Sounds like you didn't think.

One of the most traumatic events in a century was an invasion from western Europe.

And now a military alliance of the same countries creeping closer again.

yeah in retrospect that was an insanely stupid thing to say

ArmedZombie
Jun 6, 2004

Atrocious Joe posted:

An MIT professor actually wrote an article for a think tank about how NATO and the US were pointlessly going to get Ukrainians killed
https://www.justsecurity.org/80230/ukraine-unleashing-the-rhetorical-dogs-of-war/

the article was so correct they had to print one calling it dumb and wrong. the Kremlin just hates democracy and loves conspiracy theories
https://www.justsecurity.org/80343/russias-new-assault-on-ukraine-is-not-entirely-maybe-not-even-largely-about-nato/

Putin will never accept anything less than a Ukrainian client state.

SchrodingersCat
Aug 23, 2011

Google Butt posted:

im not gonna lie i think the american military would clap russian military very bad, sadly

If the United States and Russia were direct neighbors, yes.

I think the US would have a lot of trouble projecting force all the way to Russia.

Russia vs the entire combined might of NATO is not even a contest.

It's all moot since nuclear powers will never engage in direct warfare. NATO abandoning Ukraine with effectively no retribution for Russia proves that.

TenementFunster
Feb 20, 2003

The Cooler King

Goast posted:

you get like, one, maybe two, "I TOLD YOU SO!"s before it gets tedious and distracting from trying to see what's happening in the loving war no one wanted
take it to D&D, nerd. i’m posting here!

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011


feel like Finns shouldn't get to say stuff like this. he could be referring to all slavs.

Danann
Aug 4, 2013

Atrocious Joe posted:

An MIT professor actually wrote an article for a think tank about how NATO and the US were pointlessly going to get Ukrainians killed
https://www.justsecurity.org/80230/ukraine-unleashing-the-rhetorical-dogs-of-war/

the article was so correct they had to print one calling it dumb and wrong. the Kremlin just hates democracy and loves conspiracy theories
https://www.justsecurity.org/80343/russias-new-assault-on-ukraine-is-not-entirely-maybe-not-even-largely-about-nato/

lots of people in this site and about to or have kramer into the thread believe the latter too

Death By The Blues
Oct 30, 2011
Do with this what you will:

https://twitter.com/michaeldweiss/status/1497095863864205312

Goast
Jul 23, 2011

by VideoGames

SchrodingersCat posted:

NATO abandoning Ukraine with effectively no retribution for Russia proves that.

still less than 24 hours in

let's hope it's limited to sanctions they can't practically extend further

Mister Bates
Aug 4, 2010

Google Butt posted:

im not gonna lie i think the american military would clap russian military very bad, sadly

if both sides stood in a straight line and shot at each other until one side or the other was dead the US would absolutely steamroll Russia, or indeed any other single country on the planet, but that's not how wars are fought

Google Butt
Oct 4, 2005

Xenology is an unnatural mixture of science fiction and formal logic. At its core is a flawed assumption...

that an alien race would be psychologically human.

russia should 1v1 us on neutral ground, no funny stuff

CaptainACAB
Sep 14, 2021

by Jeffrey of Langley

Atrocious Joe posted:

feel like Finns shouldn't get to say stuff like this. he could be referring to all slavs.

It gets overlooked that not only was Finland an ally of Nazi Germany but CGE Mannerheim was literally Hitler's best friend and the only man to show up for one of Hitler's birthday parties.

OK baizuo
Mar 19, 2021

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
"We're not neo-nazis! We're not neo-nazis!!!!" I continue to insist as i tweet violations of the geneva conventions

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Atrocious Joe posted:

An MIT professor actually wrote an article for a think tank about how NATO and the US were pointlessly going to get Ukrainians killed
https://www.justsecurity.org/80230/ukraine-unleashing-the-rhetorical-dogs-of-war/

this is good

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

Goast posted:

still less than 24 hours in

let's hope it's limited to sanctions they can't practically extend further

Sen. Mark Warner went on a bunch of media and implied that cyber attacks against Ukraine by Russia could trigger Article 5 if they disrupt the internet in Poland

Big brain stuff
https://twitter.com/hugolowell/status/1496854803732905986?s=20&t=LQi8MQphUdtBpjDSjGhXWQ

Goast
Jul 23, 2011

by VideoGames

CaptainACAB posted:

It gets overlooked that not only was Finland an ally of Nazi Germany but CGE Mannerheim was literally Hitler's best friend and the only man to show up for one of Hitler's birthday parties.

they accidentally found a swastika painted on the tail of a mothballed finnish fighter in some dusty warehouse a few years ago

tried to pass it off and paint it over as "that symbol meant something different to the finnish airforces" lmao

BULBASAUR
Apr 6, 2009




Soiled Meat

babypolis posted:

so far the fighting has seem very.. civil i guess is the word i would use? i would have expected to witness a war crime or two at this point

closest thing so far is that video of a jet fighter seemingly bombing some civilians but according to aviation nerds on reddit the planes engines were damaged and it was ammo dumping to be able to get back home

Gresh posted:

I'm honestly surprised at how relatively easy Russia has taken this so far. If they get mad or frustrated they might go full Syria/Chechnya where they scorch earth everything.

for more than half a century people in both countries were raised to think of each other as brothers and sisters so there hasn't really been bitterness until recent times for the majority of people

SchrodingersCat
Aug 23, 2011

Atrocious Joe posted:

Sen. Mark Warner went on a bunch of media and implied that cyber attacks against Ukraine by Russia could trigger Article 5 if they disrupt the internet in Poland

Big brain stuff
https://twitter.com/hugolowell/status/1496854803732905986?s=20&t=LQi8MQphUdtBpjDSjGhXWQ

Listen, Jack, disrupting my access to PornHub is absolutely a war crime.

Gresh
Jan 12, 2019


https://twitter.com/ASBMilitary/status/1497098026623504384

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Majorian
Jul 1, 2009

This account is bullshit. They claimed that China was moving on Taiwan yesterday.

fake edit: not saying the news is false, I have no idea, I just wouldn't trust these idiots on anything.

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