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Saladman posted:The Netherlands (sorry, maybe that should just be "Netherlands") takes 10x more refined petroleum from Russia than Germany? I mean I don't doubt the data, just that's very surprising. What's the explanation? Royal Dutch Shell
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 Not sure the following is true. I'm seeing the following tweets but not much else about them, and they would have to be big news if true so I have no idea. I haven't seen them posted in this thread (but I might have missed it, apologies if so). They also seem to go against Zelensky's latest tweet ~40 minutes ago so I find it hard to believe they are true but there are two sources, one "verified". So I wanted to get the thread's opinion:https://twitter.com/AmichaiStein1/status/1497135086503878686 https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1497173284386795521 Zelensky's latest tweet, notably timestamped after previous two: https://twitter.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/1497173609957236738
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uncertainty posted:Royal Dutch Shell no longer Royal since last month because they moved HQ to the UK because they didn't like the new push for higher environmental standards for Dutch companies
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Dirt5o8 posted:https://twitter.com/michaelh992/sta...e971c4ef3f2%2F0 When people were Clancyposting and asking about WW3 one of the only reasons I could see for this to escalate is Russia accidentally attacking a NATO ally. To be very clear - this is nowhere near enough, both in scale and the damage caused - to trigger anything, but it's a reminder that Russia needs to be very careful with where they're firing.
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Edit: Beaten. But from my googling there is a Moldovian chemical tanker named "Millenial Spirit".
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Dirt5o8 posted:https://twitter.com/michaelh992/sta...e971c4ef3f2%2F0 Ukrainian defense twitter corroborating https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1497182117259739141?t=ewfg5HGnykseHVyTMn0DMA&s=19 Russia needs to get their targeting poo poo together
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Dirt5o8 posted:https://twitter.com/michaelh992/sta...e971c4ef3f2%2F0 No kidding. Romania is part of NATO for anyone unaware. If they brush this off as a "whoopsie" then it's probably no big deal. If they take this as an act of war, it could be significant. TheCardhouse posted:
95% sure this is political posturing. Putin offered to negotiate, Zelensky looks worse to the world if he appears obstinate. Russia cannot give meaningful security guarantees and likely won't acquiesce to Kyev's independence regardless.
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What the gently caress is this https://twitter.com/oryxspioenkop/status/1496925231730016256
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fatherboxx posted:What the gently caress is this a Javelin is an anti-tank weapon designed to rise in altitude, then breach from above as the top of a tank is generally the weakest point. That cage is intended to fool the javelin into detonating early, reducing the damage to the tank itself. Early reports have been that Javelins have been very effective in theater.
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Shooting Blanks posted:No kidding. Romania is part of NATO for anyone unaware. If they brush this off as a "whoopsie" then it's probably no big deal. If they take this as an act of war, it could be significant. There's no change they take this as an act of war. Nobody wants this. Russia will probably apologise for a faulty targeting system/misfire, remind everyone that this is an
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EvilHawk posted:When people were Clancyposting and asking about WW3 one of the only reasons I could see for this to escalate is Russia accidentally attacking a NATO ally. To be very clear - this is nowhere near enough, both in scale and the damage caused - to trigger anything, but it's a reminder that Russia needs to be very careful with where they're firing. To be even more clear, Black Sea is not an Article 5 discovery area. You cannot get shot somewhere and call NATO to bail you out.
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I'm curious as to what the Romanian ship was hit with. I am not at all familiar with naval weapons but aren't they generally scaled up and incredibly destructive? If this was a direct fire attack ( as opposed to a missile), shouldn't the Russians have been close enough to ID it?
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Shooting Blanks posted:No kidding. Romania is part of NATO for anyone unaware. If they brush this off as a "whoopsie" then it's probably no big deal. If they take this as an act of war, it could be significant. Incredibly unlikely. President of RO said literally <24 hours ago there's no chance Romania will be drawn into the conflict.. a hole in a single ship in the black sea is not going to change that
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Fame Douglas posted:And transitioning away from natural gas has been a political goal for a while now, it's not a sudden change because Russia decided to invade. The sudden change is that the goal has become much more urgent. Fame Douglas posted:Russia supplies 7% of crude oil imports to the US, it would absolutely affect the US as well. Buying 7% of my groceries from supermarket X doesn't mean that I depend on X. These stories need much more context.
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EvilHawk posted:When people were Clancyposting and asking about WW3 one of the only reasons I could see for this to escalate is Russia accidentally attacking a NATO ally. To be very clear - this is nowhere near enough, both in scale and the damage caused - to trigger anything, but it's a reminder that Russia needs to be very careful with where they're firing. My personal fear is that a tiny incident could easily escalate into a misunderstanding that spirals out of control purely based on quick-reaction alert systems. The Norwegian weather balloon incident was 1995 which was only four years after the end of the Cold War, if someone who knows what they're talking about could reassure me that military monitoring systems on both sides are nowhere near as hair-trigger as they used to be then I'd feel a lot better.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:To be even more clear, Black Sea is not an Article 5 discovery area. You cannot get shot somewhere and call NATO to bail you out. Also Article 5 is not a 'push for WW3 button'. The alliance just has to take the appropriate action to restore your sovereignty, which if your sovereignty isn't actually being threatened might be very little.
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Rest assured, Ukraine, your northern ally is coming to save you  https://twitter.com/Yleisradio/status/1497182918850064387?cxt=HHwWhsC5ndX7h8cpAAAA "Yle appeals to European Broadcasting Union to bar Russia out of Eurovision Song Contest. Yle will not send a contestant to ESC if Russia is let to participate."
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fatherboxx posted:What the gently caress is this Explains why so much personal belongs, sleeping bags etc were scattered around disabled vehicles.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:To be even more clear, Black Sea is not an Article 5 discovery area. You cannot get shot somewhere and call NATO to bail you out. This is good extra information to share, thanks. I'm surprised at how... quiet the Kyiv front is. Considering the overnight news and the early morning push I was expecting a lot more news coming out of the battles there (particularly around the airport), but there's barely been anything. A few videos of Russian troops in what looks like the outskirts but not really anything else. Based on the heavy flow of pictures/videos/tweets yesterday if the Ukrainian forces were putting up fierce resistance you'd expect to see similar, but at the same time we're not seeing or hearing Russian forces driving into the city freely either. I don't think there's anything to that, just think it's a bit strange how yesterday was live conflict on twitter and today is so quiet. edit: of course as soon as I post this the air raid sirens in Kyiv spark up again EvilHawk fucked around with this message at 13:35 on Feb 25, 2022 |
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Nenonen posted:Rest assured, Ukraine, your northern ally is coming to save you This is probably the most serious sanction that has been proposed so far.
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KitConstantine posted:Ukrainian defense twitter corroborating In 1904 the Russian navy on it's way to the Pacific sank a British fishing fleet in the channel because they were convinced they were Japanese torpedo boats. This is nothing new.
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fatherboxx posted:What the gently caress is this All their personal kit stacked on top of the improvised top armour cage. Gotta stay hydrated.
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Ola posted:Explains why so much personal belongs, sleeping bags etc were scattered around disabled vehicles. It's quite normal to stow all that poo poo on the sides of the turret anyway, there is no room for that inside the tank. But now they have an extra storage rack for loot!
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uncertainty posted:Royal Dutch Shell Crazy, I would have thought Germany would have a similarly large petrochemical company - but I know nothing about chemical engineering companies. I also noticed that RT.com is down, and I tried connecting from both my EU and my Swiss IP addresses, and I doubt Switzerland blocked it. Must be under a DDOS? Edit: Oddly, no connection on my phone (Swiss IP), no connection on my ethernet-connected computer (EU IP), but yes connection on my wireless-connected computer that is sitting next to my wired connection (also EU IP, but a different network than the wired network). Saladman fucked around with this message at 13:39 on Feb 25, 2022 |
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:literally looks like a dining room table Tankers carry a ton of personal gear, and since that thing offers ”free” storage space Its being utilized. Obviously this is a massive signal that these tankers see javelins as far greater threat than direct-fire weapons (Ukrainian tanks) which makes sense in context.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:literally looks like a dining room table It's only a couple of evolutionary steps away from becoming this: 
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:Broke: The Ukraine Broke: The Ukraine Woke: Ukraine Bespoke: You Came! Mike Spoke: That’s what she said.
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Saladman posted:I also noticed that RT.com is down, and I tried connecting from both my EU and my Swiss IP addresses, and I doubt Switzerland blocked it. Must be under a DDOS? 'Anonymous' declared 'war' on Russia earlier and announced they'd be targeting RT
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Valtonen posted:Tankers carry a ton of personal gear, and since that thing offers ”free” storage space Its being utilized. Obviously this is a massive signal that these tankers see javelins as far greater threat than direct-fire weapons (Ukrainian tanks) which makes sense in context. Yeah, there's not really much room at all on the inside of any tank so anything you can stash outside is what you want.
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Nenonen posted:It's only a couple of evolutionary steps away from becoming this: Ah yes, the 5th Guards Jingle Truck Brigade.
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Saladman posted:Crazy, I would have thought Germany would have a similarly large petrochemical company - but I know nothing about chemical engineering companies. Germany used to have a few large chemical production companies but then something happened and an awful lot of their executives went on trial and the industry was broken up.
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Yeah, no one is going to trigger article 5 over a tanker. Even if it was hit while docked in a Romanian port you'd just get a quick broadcast that it was a massive fuckup and they'll pay massive compensation for it. As far as energy supply, I think the EU still gets 35% of it from Russia. There's been a lot of talk about liquid natural gas terminals, but there's not nearly enough supply to cover that. That's why Russia got away with Crimea, and probably why Russia thinks they can do a similar deal over Ukraine if they can steamroll it quickly enough.
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Nenonen posted:It's only a couple of evolutionary steps away from becoming this: Putin dragging the Tinkers into this?
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The chemical tanker ship that supposedly got hit looks to be Moldovan flagged anyway, not Romanian. So not NATO and not EU https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/details/ships/shipid:284968/mmsi:214182773/imo:7392610/vessel:MILLENNIAL_SPIRIT as far as i can tell, anyway. i am not a ship person
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boofhead posted:The chemical tanker ship that supposedly got hit is actually Moldovan flagged anyway, not Romanian. So not NATO and not EU Still part of the Eurovision song contest.
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Ola posted:Still part of the Eurovision song contest. putin's secret agenda is finally becoming clear
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