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Feb 25, 2022 16:47
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empty whippet box posted:I'm pretty loving ignorant about this whole situation in a general sense, is there any truth to this nazis in ukraine poo poo at all or is this just something putin is saying? type the magic words Azov Battalion or Stepan Bandera into your search engine of choice and discover a wonderful world
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Feb 25, 2022 16:47
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R. Guyovich posted:putin understands what soviet nationalities policy actually was and doesn't like it because he's a great russian chauvinist. he is undercutting the kprf here but he also unequivocally rejects the reality of life in the ussr, which had as one of its aims the slow eradication of nationalisms in favor of a new soviet nationality. It’s always funny how ultra leftists make neocon talking points. But then, hey that’s what not touching grass does to a mother fucker. Meanwhile The Russian Army flying the flag of the USSR is driving out Nazis. Crowsbeak has issued a correction as of 16:51 on Feb 25, 2022 |
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Feb 25, 2022 16:48
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Al-Saqr posted:ukranian government centers getting burned in Cherniviv Well at least the invaders are doing a bit of good for the Ukrainian people by burning these rat dens.
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Feb 25, 2022 16:50
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https://mobile.twitter.com/QaharBalkhi/status/1497104807932272647 official taliban statement on the war in ukraine
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Feb 25, 2022 16:50
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R. Guyovich posted:entirely too simplistic of an analysis. something i've been thinking about lately is if there is such a thing as a stereotypical "tankie," it's someone like putin who ventriloquizes soviet aesthetics and nostalgia to push a chauvinist national project. that's an accusation that gets thrown at nostalgics in the former soviet republics frequently, and at communists in the west, but when polled former soviet citizens say they miss the economic system more than being part of an "empire". from what ive had described to me, russian reactionaries are weird in that they draw off soviet imagery and rhetoric but are just as big of dumb assholes as they are everywhere in the world
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Feb 25, 2022 16:51
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empty whippet box posted:I'm pretty loving ignorant about this whole situation in a general sense, is there any truth to this nazis in ukraine poo poo at all or is this just something putin is saying? I'm not an expert but Ukraine has a legit Nazi military brigade that is now part of their national guard. There's also enough far right nationalists and neo-nazis in the government to make Zelensky working with Russia and not getting murdered in his sleep difficult.
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Feb 25, 2022 16:51
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Crowsbeak posted:It’s always funny how ultra leftists make neocon talking points. shut the gently caress up you stupid motherfucker. serves me right for sincerely engaging with one of the toxic sludge piles that seep out of your brain and onto this website.
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Feb 25, 2022 16:52
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empty whippet box posted:I'm pretty loving ignorant about this whole situation in a general sense, is there any truth to this nazis in ukraine poo poo at all or is this just something putin is saying? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFFXBsEQ7SY
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Feb 25, 2022 16:52
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thank you, taliban
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Feb 25, 2022 16:52
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Al-Saqr posted:three thoughts are coming across my mind:-
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Feb 25, 2022 16:53
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gg no re
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Feb 25, 2022 16:54
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Tiler Kiwi posted:from what ive had described to me, russian reactionaries are weird in that they draw off soviet imagery and rhetoric but are just as big of dumb assholes as they are everywhere in the world it's a pretty unique setup because there aren't very many countries in the world that used to be a superpower built on socialist ideology. Russian nationalists and reactionaries often end up having to square the circle of hating the USSR because it was communist while also loving the USSR because that's when their country was a superpower. As a result you end up with that confusing weirdness where they draw on Soviet imagery and rhetoric because that's when Russia was strong and the whole world had to listen to whoever sat in the Kremlin, but also they use that imagery and rhetoric to support nationalism and imperialism and social conservatism, and when they get power they use it to crush the left and privatize their country
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Feb 25, 2022 16:55
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R. Guyovich posted:shut the gently caress up you stupid motherfucker. serves me right for sincerely engaging with one of the toxic sludge piles that seep out of your brain and onto this website. You know you sound like you could consider taking some time off the computer and enjoying a walk outside. Just try it. I promise that the publikkk of Amerikkka will not Lynch you if you just went outside for an hour. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Feb 25, 2022 16:56
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empty whippet box posted:I'm pretty loving ignorant about this whole situation in a general sense, is there any truth to this nazis in ukraine poo poo at all or is this just something putin is saying? Every country has nazis, there are more nazis in russia just based on having triple the population. Not to mention the venn diagram of russian white supremacist and nazi ideology is a circle, even if they don't explicitly label themselves.
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Feb 25, 2022 16:56
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empty whippet box posted:I'm pretty loving ignorant about this whole situation in a general sense, is there any truth to this nazis in ukraine poo poo at all or is this just something putin is saying? Azov Battalion is a straight up nazi militia group, and was integrated with their National Guard. They recently made nazi collaborator Stepan Bandera's birthday a national holiday. While I don't think every Ukrainian is a nazi, there certainly are lot of them there.
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Feb 25, 2022 16:57
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Crowsbeak posted:It’s always funny how ultra leftists make neocon talking points. lmfao are you ok
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Feb 25, 2022 16:57
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The Nazis hold little electoral power, but their leaders hold some rather powerful government positions for people who get like 10 percent of the vote combined at best. The militias were partially integrated into the armed forces, but mostly as trainers for unofficial paramilitaries and a sort of ROTC type deal for adolescents who then go into the armed forces proper after a few years of indoctrination. Zelensky himself isn’t a nazi, and they don’t actually form a large part of the populace outside of the region around Lvov. But that doesn’t mean they don’t have real influence and act as a sort of unofficial veto on government policy.
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Feb 25, 2022 16:58
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Still kinda weird to me that a bunch of people on Twitter and in GBS are going on and on about how this proves Russia's army is in shambles when the invasion is a little more than a day old and there's already fighting in Kiev.
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Feb 25, 2022 16:58
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Honestly looking like Russian didnt blitz through as quickly as it seemed the first night looking at that ua maps. Obviously their approach to kiev is the main issue, but unless the ukr gov does surrender quickly war is looking like it will last a bit more than just a couple of days. Seem to be slowing down russians esp in east. Probably a bad thing all things considered, if it bogs down civilians will get hit a lot more than a lightning fall of government would have
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Feb 25, 2022 16:58
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Crowsbeak posted:It’s always funny how ultra leftists make neocon talking points. one loving tank is flying the USSR flag you dolt
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Feb 25, 2022 16:59
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Danann posted:Russia's been doing a lot of hasty shock attacks and they've been moving as fast as possible so there's a lot more times where the tank/bmp stumbles into javelin/law range and the infantry gets killed by a machine gun. The tactical victories are small comfort for the Ukrainians compared to having no lines of communication, being pocketed, and running out of ammunition though.
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Feb 25, 2022 16:59
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Not even trying to loving hide it
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Feb 25, 2022 17:00
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empty whippet box posted:I'm pretty loving ignorant about this whole situation in a general sense, is there any truth to this nazis in ukraine poo poo at all or is this just something putin is saying? there are enough of them to make it hypocritical for say, the US to criticize them, but they had 1 seat in parliament, a dude in control of the police, and a battalion in the national guard. they were there but not as much as putin claims.
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Feb 25, 2022 17:00
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i heard gorbachev was also flying the ussr flag, guess he's based now
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Feb 25, 2022 17:01
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1stGear posted:Still kinda weird to me that a bunch of people on Twitter and in GBS are going on and on about how this proves Russia's army is in shambles when the invasion is a little more than a day old and there's already fighting in Kiev. It’s Artsakh/Karabakh all over again.
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Feb 25, 2022 17:01
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Al-Saqr posted:zelensky is doing great he was just moved to a bunker and is asking putin to negotiate and did a live speech crying about how the west left him alone and screwed him over. He’s 100% right. He was set up, and I hope he leaks the US/UK diplomatic cables that tee’d him up.
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Feb 25, 2022 17:02
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1stGear posted:Still kinda weird to me that a bunch of people on Twitter and in GBS are going on and on about how this proves Russia's army is in shambles when the invasion is a little more than a day old and there's already fighting in Kiev. Those types of people are just sitting there so they can jerk off to war footage.
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Feb 25, 2022 17:03
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R. Guyovich posted:entirely too simplistic of an analysis. something i've been thinking about lately is if there is such a thing as a stereotypical "tankie," it's someone like putin who ventriloquizes soviet aesthetics and nostalgia to push a chauvinist national project. that's an accusation that gets thrown at nostalgics in the former soviet republics frequently, and at communists in the west, but when polled former soviet citizens say they miss the economic system more than being part of an "empire". thanks, this elaborates on what I was trying to convey earlier
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Feb 25, 2022 17:04
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1stGear posted:Still kinda weird to me that a bunch of people on Twitter and in GBS are going on and on about how this proves Russia's army is in shambles when the invasion is a little more than a day old and there's already fighting in Kiev. reminds me of the possibly apocryphal story of the archaeological record being able to tell from hieroglyphic history when the Egyptian state was in trouble because the succession of glorious victories keep creeping closer and closer to the capital
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Feb 25, 2022 17:05
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Al-Saqr posted:zelensky is doing great he was just moved to a bunker and is asking putin to negotiate and did a live speech crying about how the west left him alone and screwed him over. Coming out and saying "the west betrayed us!! Those fuckers!" Is the best way to start negotiations with russia and preserve some Ukrainian independence.
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Feb 25, 2022 17:05
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why does it matter what the actual percentage of literal blood and soil nazis there are in the ukraine? the vast majority of american's arent either and look at how vile we are.
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Feb 25, 2022 17:06
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I’m sure the 14 y.o. girl who got shelled by a Russian missile will appreciate the fact that there will be fewer nazis in her country 
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Feb 25, 2022 17:07
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zucc https://twitter.com/theintercept/status/1496975295085170688
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Feb 25, 2022 17:07
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anyone cheering on the bloodlust of empires is a loving lib
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Feb 25, 2022 17:07
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quote:I think the west should be more committed to sanctioning Russia, be it by cutting off it's pipelines or cutting it off SWIFT or both. Ukraine inherited the 3rd largest nuclear arsenal when the USSR collapsed, and the west offered it sweeping economic aid as well as guarantees to it's sovereignty if threatened in exchange of decommissioning their nuclear stockpile. They must do what they can to guarantee Ukraine's independence, whatever the economic cost may be (to the Russians). it really sucks that people can realize this and never make the connection that the West cannot be loving trusted because they will always ALWAYS sell you down the river like people here keep saying that the 1951 Mutual Defense Treaty between the Philippines and the US means that the US will defend us in case we are ever attacked [by China], which is something that Ukraine did not have and therefore sets us apart, (and setting aside that that's just a Sinophobic dream), why should we even believe that the US would throw down if the PLAN starts landing troops in Luzon given everything that's happened in modern history?
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Feb 25, 2022 17:07
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F Stop Fitzgerald posted:why does it matter what the actual percentage of literal blood and soil nazis there are in the ukraine? the vast majority of american's arent either and look at how vile we are. "Denazification" is being tossed about by the russians so it's understandable people want to know what he is talking about.
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Feb 25, 2022 17:08
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Feb 25, 2022 17:08
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vyelkin posted:it's a pretty unique setup because there aren't very many countries in the world that used to be a superpower built on socialist ideology. Russian nationalists and reactionaries often end up having to square the circle of hating the USSR because it was communist while also loving the USSR because that's when their country was a superpower. As a result you end up with that confusing weirdness where they draw on Soviet imagery and rhetoric because that's when Russia was strong and the whole world had to listen to whoever sat in the Kremlin, but also they use that imagery and rhetoric to support nationalism and imperialism and social conservatism, and when they get power they use it to crush the left and privatize their country which - again, in the long run - doesn't work because you cannot appropriate fundamentally revolutionary rhetoric and symbology in that sense. of course you can be an obnoxious reactionary rear end in a top hat carrying a red flag and wearing something with a hammer and sickle, but like you said, when the question comes of what created the "greatness" that this reactionary pines for, it's inescapable from revolutionary socialism. squaring a circle, etc
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Feb 25, 2022 17:10
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a primate posted:I’m sure the 14 y.o. girl who got shelled by a Russian missile will appreciate the fact that there will be fewer nazis in her country Sounds like she isn't in a position to appreciate anything. I will do it for her instead
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