go play outside Skyler posted:Amazing, who came up with this rule that if a single permanent member of the UN votes no then the motion doesn't pass? UK, USA and USSR mostly, who wanted to protect their influence around the world. France and (Nationalist) China were also in favor, but their influence was much more limited in 1945.
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MadJackal posted:It is stunning how awful "Leftists for Putin" will impact any post-Bernie organization in the US while staring down the barrel of Trump 2024. Yeah, at least the leftists that refused to condemn Stalin could claim to be holding on to some vague loyalty to the original spirit of communism. Praising Putin is just willingly abetting the primary financier and signal-booster for every modern fascist movement on the planet. At least Putin's inroads with the right wingers in Eastern Europe seems to have been upset by his idiotic crusade. It'd be nice if Orban and his ilk were undermined by their association with, or betrayal of, Putin. https://www.marketwatch.com/story/r...ies-01645735806
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Can someone explain the German helmet thing to me? Is that real? It feels like a joke. What is wrong with Germany?
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The rules aren't designed to be fair they're designed to make the organization work. The permanent members of the security council get a veto because they are powerful enough to de facto veto.
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Chimp_On_Stilts posted:I assume they had to implement this rule or the permanent states would not have joined the security council in the first place. Yeah, it was made very clear early on that "no veto, no UN."
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Upgrade posted:Can someone explain the German helmet thing to me? Is that real? It feels like a joke. What is wrong with Germany? in a pinch you could also take a poo poo in one if you lack plumbing. so that's nice
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Norway coming in hard and actually called out that Russia should have abstained from voting since they are a party to the war. Even the US and UK didn't mention that.
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Big Slammu posted:Also on the Milosevic apologetics being used to justify Russias aggression, as someone with a ton of Serbian/Croatian/Macedonian family and who studied Eastern European history very seriously as an undergrad, can’t recommend the BBC six part documentary on the fall of Yugoslavia enough as a jumping off point to educate yourself more on the topic. It’s old but still holds up great. You should be able to find all six parts online https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3q5rku It also should be infinitely more understandable to Americans right now in our Trump world. Milosevic (and Tudjman to a lesser degree) really really really clearly are... the same species. Populists. Mob rousing opportunists. Driving people insane at lightning speed leading to horrible poo poo no one imagined possible.
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Upgrade posted:Can someone explain the German helmet thing to me? Is that real? It feels like a joke. What is wrong with Germany? It's both real and a joke in that it's hilarious.
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Hannibal Rex posted:If I was in Moldova, I'd be getting worried Putin will just keep his tanks rolling. They do apparently have some pro-Russia separatist regions and are Romanian-speaking Slavs. There’s also a push for unification with Romania. So there are opportunities to exploit there.
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Feels to me like it's easier for China/India to abstain if they already know that Russia's just gonna veto and not abstain as well.
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Feb 25, 2022 23:57
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Jarmak posted:The rules aren't designed to be fair they're designed to make the organization work. They were also worried about the potential power of the UN being abused by some of the major powers ganging up on one or two others. Lack of mutual trust meant they all had to agree for anything to happen.
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Upgrade posted:Can someone explain the German helmet thing to me? Is that real? It feels like a joke. What is wrong with Germany? The SPD is the largest party in government and a good share of their leadership is in the pockets of Putin - going so far as to create an "enviromental foundation" to protect NS2 against US sanctions.
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Mokotow posted:For any one willing to chip in gas money, you can paypal me @kylofon . Don’t need much but it’d help. Thanks! Thank you so much for helping others. I sent some money for gas, food, or whatever helps.
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I did find Ukraine's attempt the first night say that Russia should not be the official inheritor of the USSR's veto power interesting. I wonder if you can make a solid legalistic case for it.
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go play outside Skyler posted:There were three abstentions. I saw China, India and didn't catch the third. India is a client state, they buy a lot of military gear from Russia.
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There's also a more nuanced reason for the Veto - the five permament members (apart from China, but this was anticipated) are the only nations with the capability of deploying troops globally, which means that they are the ones who would actually be expected to do something if the SC voted for peacekeeping action somewhere. The veto exists to stop the non-permement members voting for someone else's army to go do something.
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Xibanya posted:Romanian-speaking Slavs. Come again?
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Upgrade posted:Can someone explain the German helmet thing to me? Is that real? It feels like a joke. What is wrong with Germany? They blocked Estonia sending over some 7 ancient artillery pieces, and offered 5000 infantry helmets as aid. Which they are about ready to start delivering. As for what's wrong... part of it is a bunch of their elder statesmen being literally on Russian payroll, part capitalism, part misdirected guilt over WW2, completely ignoring that a lot of the "Russians" they were murdering were actually Ukrainians, and Belorusians, and Georgians, and Armenians, and many other peoples.
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Feb 25, 2022 23:59
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go play outside Skyler posted:Also, didn't know India was an ally of Russia. The USSR helped India extensively during the Cold War, and India still buys a lot of weapons from Russia today. While ostensibly a democracy, India has a ethno-authoritarian streak that's been getting worse recently. India's also part of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation along with Russia and China. I personally suspect that if any other member of the SCO was on the council, they would have abstained as well.
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The russian representative should have removed his shoe and pound his desk in protest, just for old times sake.
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Grape posted:Come again? They speak Romanian in Moldova, but they’re ethnically Slavs and use Cyrillic.
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India's current leader very much wishes he was Putin and could turn india into a ethno-state dictatorship.
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Play posted:I bet America would be down for a war if our last two hadn't just ended. It takes a decade or two to get the bloodlust going again the US is still involved in Somalia, Yemen, Syria
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Angry Lobster posted:The russian representative should have removed his shoe and pound his desk in protest, just for old times sake. I still can't believe I'm seeing the new Cold War turn hot before my eyes.
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Ukraine command says they shot down IL-76 Thats could be about 140 soldiers on board https://twitter.com/GeneralStaffUA/status/1497344479094792195?t=wB8_qPWnyJv8gR6rIMa9ZQ&s=19
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Boat Stuck posted:I still can't believe I'm seeing the new Cold War turn hot before my eyes. You're not, it's not hot between anyone but Russia and Ukraine right now.
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In the long run India cannot join the USA, Australia, Japan in the Quad in opposition to China and still prop up Russia given how Russia is rapidly becoming a Chinese client state. They are going to have to pick a side. But that side is not today it seems.
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Upgrade posted:Can someone explain the German helmet thing to me? Is that real? It feels like a joke. What is wrong with Germany? In the runup to the Russian invasion (I almost typed Soviet   ) when other NATO countries were sending missile launchers and ammunition and other assorted weaponry to Ukraine, Germany's contribution was a couple thousand helmets.
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OddObserver posted:part of it is a bunch of their elder statesmen being literally on Russian payroll Do you have a source for this claim?
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go play outside Skyler posted:Also, didn't know India was an ally of Russia. India accounts for 23% of russian arms exports, and russia is almost 50% of indian arms imports. 
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I'm sorry the German thing feels like parody. How much do those helmets even cost? I feel like goons have done more to help.
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Upgrade posted:Can someone explain the German helmet thing to me? Is that real? It feels like a joke. What is wrong with Germany? To steelman the German position: at the time Germany was concerned that sending lethal means to support Ukraine would escalate. There's some reasonable truth to this in a general sense--if your enemy's support is supposed to arrive in a country you're thinking about invading by Tuesday, then you should probably go invade by Monday. Additionally, Germany has a specific article in its constitution prohibiting "acts tending to and undertaken with intent to disturb the peaceful relations between nations." If, while at peace, providing weapons was potentially disturbing the peace, then maybe Germany needed to be careful about how it supported Ukraine. Edit: I'm just guessing at this though, but when Germany and Japan do weird poo poo, sometimes the answer is that they're weird, but it's often a result of WW2 being baked into the founding of their modern implementations.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:In the runup to the Russian invasion (I almost typed Soviet Also most of those countries were able to fairly quickly approve and deliver stuff like missiles. Germany took until today to deliver some simple helmets. But germany's government are all either directly in Putin's pocket via gas and business ties, or the worst sort of useful idiots on the left.
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Upgrade posted:Can someone explain the German helmet thing to me? Is that real? It feels like a joke. What is wrong with Germany? They have a law that prevents them from delivering weapons to conflict regions, which is why they chose helmets instead. GaussianCopula posted:The SPD is the largest party in government and a good share of their leadership is in the pockets of Putin - going so far as to create an "enviromental foundation" to protect NS2 against US sanctions. Please don't spread weird fake news. And protecting NS2 against US sanctions made sense. NS2 not being active also didn't save Ukraine from invasion, I don't get the point of still making this failed argument against NS2.
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Grammarchist posted:Yeah, at least the leftists that refused to condemn Stalin could claim to be holding on to some vague loyalty to the original spirit of communism. Praising Putin is just willingly abetting the primary financier and signal-booster for every modern fascist movement on the planet. Viktor is a fuckin oval office and said he will continue to trade with Russia of course, because we took shitloads of money from them, and they are building our new nuclear power plant as well. Elections here in April, I wonder how much this poo poo will hurt him. Currently they keep saying that the opposition here wants to send troops to Ukraine, but Orban and his government wont be dragged into the conflict because they value the safety of the Hungarian people above all else. To say something positive about Hungary, our Help Ukraine facebook group is already at 50k members, and its heartwarming to see how many people offer to take in refugees to their homes or help with cars to get people coming through to places they can warm up or wait for pickup by relatives or simply drive them to cities. We had universities open their dorms for refugees as well. (Even Vodafone Hungary came and made calls between Hungary and Ukraine free of charge.) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Helmets, the dry hump of military aid.
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While I will continue to take pot shots at Germany for many reasons, they also sent Ukraine at least one fully equipped field hospital.
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