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the popes toes posted:Yeah, you're right. But I can't shake the feeling that, as far as invasions go, this has gone horribly (wonderfully) wrong for the Russians in terms of price and what appears that they will have to pay in the future. I'm wondering what the overall casualty rates are like because it seems like its been a really intense couple of days, like in this tweet just posted: https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1497389484362461187 Somebody in comments mentioned that there are potentially hundreds of of troops on those transports. If it really was shot down that could be as many Russians killed as the all of the British deaths in the Falklands war or coalition deaths in the initial conquest of Iraq. Randarkman posted:Ok... It's almost certainly people collating and exaggerating a number of separate incidents that may or may not involve the same person into a legend essentially. Happy? Yes. khwarezm fucked around with this message at 03:21 on Feb 26, 2022 |
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SUNKOS posted:Please excuse me if this is old news (kinda, it seems things today have moved fast) but there's been nearly 2000 posts since I last read this thread yesterday. Am I correct in understanding that things have not been going well for Russia today and Ukraine has continued to have a good defense? I see posts on this page Of Putin asking Kazakhstan for help. The last I saw was large convoys entering Kyiv so going from that to latest updates of Russian pleas for help from neighbors is surprising. I was happy to see citizens of Georgia out in large numbers and protesting the war after what happened to their country as well. We can't tell if it's going poorly for Russia. Most likely Russia expected swifter progress, maybe fewer losses. Ukrainians, on the other, appear to be faring better than expected in some ways.
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Randarkman posted:Ok... It's almost certainly people collating and exaggerating a number of separate incidents that may or may not involve the same person into a legend essentially. Happy? factual stuff aside, p sure half of it is just a stupefying respect of the balls on anyone who gets in a loving plane to go into that airspace to defend them
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the popes toes posted:Yeah, you're right. But I can't shake the feeling that, as far as invasions go, this has gone horribly (wonderfully) wrong for the Russians in terms of price and what appears that they will have to pay in the future. Did Putin misjudge? Likely. He could've suspected NATO to respond militarily sooner and provide more basis to his narrative that NATO are warmongers expanding into a non-NATO state just as he claimed. Would he still have done it knowing what he knows now? Possibly, since if Ukraine was admitted into NATO then he would actually risk MAD, and so would lose his dream of reuniting Ukraine into the Russian sphere of influence forever
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Comstar posted:https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1497390438566801414 i thought Tractor Plant meant Tank Factory?
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You’re going to let the French show you up Boris? You must nationalize Chelsea. Do it for the ghost.
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hump day bitches! posted:Vdv are Russian paratroopers. Russian special forces were hunting themselves? Ukrainians also have VDV. So does every other ex-USSR country that did retain Soviet military traditions to some extent.
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Apparently, the "Don't be alarmed, our troops are merely passing by," really pissed off Macron
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punishedkissinger posted:i thought Tractor Plant meant Tank Factory? I removed it, comments say it might be fake news.
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Cirvot posted:I feel like it's worth pointing out again that leftists being pro-Putin is not a thing in Europe. The only Putin support you will find there is among the far right shitheads. I know some posters here think I'm pro-Putin, but I don't, and I think the segment of the left (which I don't really claim to belong to either) that actually supports Putin is very small. There's a bigger segment that is happy to see the US lose pretty much regardless of the context, but what I think they're missing is that nothing that's happened really represents a loss for the US. A lot of analysts have talked for a long time about how it would be great if the US could withdraw from our forever wars (which we now have for the most part) and if our adversaries would bog themselves down with one, and Russia may have just found theirs. I don't think the US tricked them into it or anything, but I don't think the US particularly minded either. In short: https://twitter.com/usarmy/status/242294060650475521
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the popes toes posted:Apparently, the "Don't be alarmed, our troops are merely passing by," really pissed off Macron It must have been something. He was almost as all-in on talk to Putin as scholz and now he’s the only leader to pull the big trigger
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:You’re going to let the French show you up Boris? You must nationalize Chelsea. Do it for the ghost. Nationalize Chelsea, sell it, and give the proceeds to the Ukrainians for reparations.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Ukrainians also have VDV. So does every other ex-USSR country that did retain Soviet military traditions to some extent. Ukrainians air assault forces are the DShV. And that article about the battle in the airport is by the black rifle coffee company. A bunch of right wing culture warrior shitheads. Not only a grain, but a boatload of salt with that source. hump day bitches! fucked around with this message at 03:21 on Feb 26, 2022 |
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Shes Not Impressed posted:https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1497394091910443010?s=20&t=kR-JvtkT37_QammPfiN6Bg Does Putin even want him dead?
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hump day bitches! posted:Ukrainians air assault forces are the DShV. Russian VDV brigades, strictly speaking, are DShB. I thought it was obvious that I'm using "VDV" as a generic shorthand for "air assault forces".
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:It must have been something. He was almost as all-in on talk to Putin as scholz and now he’s the only leader to pull the big trigger Maybe he realised that Putin really lost the plot? 
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Gunfire's getting close to Independence Square in Kyiv.
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Blitz of 404 Error posted:Does Putin even want him dead? There's a theory that Putin wants Zelensky gone so a hyper-nationalist who's easier to plausibly demonize and ideally is more divisive in Ukraine itself takes over and makes it easier to present a Russian puppet as a plausible alternative, but who knows.
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Blitz of 404 Error posted:Does Putin even want him dead? What would he even do with him? Killing him would just make him a martyr. Sticking him in a cell seems particularly gauche in this day and age but then I suppose I shouldn't put that past Putin considering... everything. I think Putin's best option is to hope he flees the country.
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Im just finding out about Zelensky being an actor
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khwarezm posted:What would he even do with him? Killing him would just make him a martyr. Sticking him in a cell seems particularly gauche in this day and age but then I suppose I shouldn't put that past Putin considering... everything. best case for putin would be some kind of muzzled house arrest where they can release pro-russian statements with his name on them for a year or two punishedkissinger posted:Im just finding out about Zelensky being an actor even worse, a comedian look up the mayor of kyiv next lol
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Sephyr posted:But it really looks that the second largest country of Europe, despite putting some good resistance here and there, has its capital under assault 2 days into the invasion. I'd be looking for any sign of hope as well, that the husk or an armored vehicle shown on Twitter was a big loss for the invaders and not just something their doctrine absorbs. With Kiev's distance from the Belarusian border, which the Russians are attacking from it isnt really an amazing feat on the part of the Russian military or a crushing indictment of Ukraine's that the Russians are already there. The Ukrainians may not have been as appreciative of how subservient Lukashenko actually ended up being to allow the Russians to involve his country as directly as they have though.
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khwarezm posted:Somebody in comments mentioned that there are potentially hundreds of of troops on those transports. If it really was shot down that could be as many Russians killed as the all of the British deaths in the Falklands war or coalition deaths in the initial conquest of Iraq. Il-76, depending on modification, holds 100-200 soldiers, depending on modification. punishedkissinger posted:Im just finding out about Zelensky being an actor Ukrainian Steven Colbert.
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Blitz of 404 Error posted:Does Putin even want him dead? Supposedly there are lists of Ukrainian officials and activists related to Euromaidan for arrest, or anyone who might a problem. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/21/us-claims-russia-creating-lists-of-ukrainians-to-be-killed-or-sent-to-camps-report
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punishedkissinger posted:Im just finding out about Zelensky being an actor It's weird, his political party is named after the TV show he started in where he played the President of Ukraine.
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Grammarchist posted:Supposedly there are lists of Ukrainian officials and activists related to Euromaidan for arrest, or anyone who might a problem. In other words, every remotely queer person in Ukraine.
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KM Scorchio posted:People seem to be very unwilling to accept the obvious; Human beings as a whole are not good. This is like 50 pages back, because I am trying to read everything, but this needs to be said: Go gently caress yourself and your petty, nihlist ideology to the moon.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Il-76, depending on modification, holds 100-200 soldiers, depending on modification. Would we have reason to assume they have their full capacity?
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Pakled posted:It's weird, his political party is named after the TV show he started in where he played the President of Ukraine. Yeah it's insane. he had a TV show where he was a comedic everyman who shockingly wins the ukrainian elections as a popular outsider. Then... it happened in real life.
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Can't remember if it was mentioned here but the US has done this as well. Ratcheting up the pressure if the fat rats can't flee the ship https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1497377202777825285?t=69QCkR-Kt76CcNCS8gkwjg&s=19
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Mokotow posted:Ukrainian cat transport underway 
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Mokotow posted:Ukrainian cat transport underway hell yea
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punishedkissinger posted:i thought Tractor Plant meant Tank Factory? No, it's a literal tractor factory. Both the Kharkiv plant and the famous Stalingrad tractor factory, among many others, were built during Stalin's first Five Year Plan to build tractors, in order to help modernize and mechanize the Soviet Union's agriculture. During World War II, the Stalingrad plant was converted into a tank factory, while Kharkiv was evacuated and destroyed. After the war both reverted to producing tractors, which Kharkiv does to this day. Or did, anyway. Fun fact: Both the Kharkiv plant and the Stalingrad plant were designed by the Detroit, Michigan-based firm Albert Kahn Associates. Kahn was an extremely influential industrial engineer, and some of his other designs included the Ford River Rouge factory (the biggest in the world when it opened), the Detroit Arsenal Tank Plant, and the Willow Run Bomber Plant.
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