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the popes toes posted:More like a measure of the western response which seems to be getting more robust. The West is pretty mindful that the Chinese are watching. Invading Taiwan is orders of magnitude more difficult. They could defeat an American surface fleet, but if a few US subs sneak through and put the invasion force on the bottom of the sea, that's it.
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Judakel posted:Wild how much propaganda the Ukrainians are putting out and how silent the Russians have been. Oh, they are not silent. Yesterday, they had to cancel usual late night TV programming to fit in more propaganda.
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raverrn posted:https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin/status/1497474945286352896 Ooh, dibs! Dibs!!! I want one. Liquid Communism posted:Yep. The question isn't if Ukraine can defeat the Russians. It's if they can hold out long enough that the oligarchs arrange for Putin to be deposed as he's violated rule one and hosed with their money. Yeah, there's a hypothesis in foreign policy circles right now that he was hoping this campaign would be part of his swan song before leaving office. I don't know if I 100% believe it, but it wouldn't surprise me if it were true. If it were, it would probably be easier to sideline him.
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Eiba posted:Yeah, so this is one of the things that I've been thinking about. A bloody war and long insurgency is certainly bad for Russia, and atrocities and humanitarian crises are going to make Ukraine more and more sympathetic in the worlds' eyes... but those are all really loving bad things. In order to get to the "better for Ukraine" stuff, you need a shitton more human suffering. And if the "good" thing you reach is a Georgia situation, or some sort of Finlandization, where Ukraine retains independence so long as they never oppose Russia again, is that so much better than a puppet government that it's worth all the suffering and humanitarian crises? Ukrainians seem to believe that the sacrifices are worth it. Living under 200 km from the Russian border myself, I really can't say I disagree. Things look very different when you can see the bear close up-front.
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Came back from sleep and a protest against the war. I hope nothing of value is in the last 1500 posts cause it seems like it's the same dumbasses handwringing about how from a neorealist realpolitiks perspective Ukraine needs to surrenderRust Martialis posted:Someone mentioned Putin has a puffy face... any chance he's on steroids for something? I know it makes you swell up. Botox because he's afraid of aging Edit: I don't know if there's anythibg else involved. Kadyrov and Zakharova have been speculated to be on cocaine in a few showings
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Eiba posted:Yeah, so this is one of the things that I've been thinking about. A bloody war and long insurgency is certainly bad for Russia, and atrocities and humanitarian crises are going to make Ukraine more and more sympathetic in the worlds' eyes... but those are all really loving bad things. In order to get to the "better for Ukraine" stuff, you need a shitton more human suffering. And if the "good" thing you reach is a Georgia situation, or some sort of Finlandization, where Ukraine retains independence so long as they never oppose Russia again, is that so much better than a puppet government that it's worth all the suffering and humanitarian crises? I don't say this to give false hope or anything, but Ukraine certainly can win. Weak countries routinely win defensive wars against stronger opponents, it absolutely does happen and there are multiple examples from just the last 50 years. One of the big mistakes that gets made is assuming that victory is assured. Costly mistakes add up very quickly and defenders typically have the advantage that they're literally fighting for their lives and their homeland so there's a huge discrepancy in resolve, particular if momentum stalls out. imo Ukraines odds of winning are extremely low and generally their best case even vaguely likely outcome is holding out long enough that public pressure continues to mount against Russia to end the war and/or Russia's ability to resupply collapses. Still, the odds are very stacked against them (albeit on a pure numbers level, probably look better than they did a week ago).
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Somaen posted:Botox because he's afraid of aging There's also word going on that his face looks like he's on bentzos. Wouldn't be surprised that he's finally decided to move to the "delusional and drugged up in a bunker" phase of his career.
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raverrn posted:https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin/status/1497474945286352896 The mug is from Maria Mukabetova's election campaign. She used to represent Kalmykia in Duma.
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raverrn posted:https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin/status/1497474945286352896 Their supply lines are getting stretched and wrecked by rear echelon attacks, so they're running out of fuel. But the ditched ballistic vest and the fact it wasn't scuttled (which an armor commander should do if the rules of engagement are still applying) makes me think desertion. Majorian posted:Ooh, dibs! Dibs!!! I want one. BMP! Only dropped once!
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Rust Martialis posted:Someone mentioned Putin has a puffy face... any chance he's on steroids for something? I know it makes you swell up. He's gotten old and fat, just like all of us. Why would you assume he's taking steroids at all.
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Hey guys, long term lurker here. I am trying not to make light of the situation... I was expecting the Russian Army to be like Kislev, but It turns out that in reality they more closely resemble Skaven. Sketchy leadership, low morale, and hiding in the sewers with lasers? What the hell.
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The Vietnamese/Afghanese/Finns/French Resistance/The American Colonies should've just quit fighting the superior force, can't they see the sacrifices aren't worth it, they should have just bent the knee to the invader and shuffled themselves into the dustbin of history
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NATO is showing off. During most of the night, there was a RC-135W Rivet Joint patrolling the Ukraine border from Romania, and right now there is another RC-135W from the UK patrolling from Poland, and there is an F-16 refueling over Romania. The first 36 hours only tankers had their transponders on.
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Fame Douglas posted:He's gotten old and fat, just like all of us. Why would you assume he's taking steroids at all. Rust Martialis on that frog-tech
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Fame Douglas posted:He's gotten old and fat, just like all of us. Why would you assume he's taking steroids at all. My man Vova's just entering his Fat Elvis phase, don't judge.
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Rust Martialis posted:Someone mentioned Putin has a puffy face... any chance he's on steroids for something? I know it makes you swell up. More like tons of Botox injections
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I'm not a fan of wishing ill will on any human, but... I wonder about the chances Putin suffers an "accident."
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Young Freud posted:More broken-down, out-of-fuel Russian armor...https://twitter.com/Liveuamap/status/1497485623225200640?s=20&t=Al6_D2wsVJK4SkjZlAF-Fw Is the translation beneath accurate? Because if so, lmao.
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Josef bugman posted:Maybe I read too many of the war poets stuff as a kid, but I can't think of war and people dying as heroic. It always seems tragic and unfair in the most visceral way. I understand the reasons for those things and can support the reasoning for it, but this seems like the sort of thing to be acknowledged and treated as serious, neccesary and still deeply upsetting. Yeah, I think I get what you're saying. IMO we should absolutely root for the Ukrainians, who are in the right, treat Ukrainian successes as good news and Russian successes as bad news, but refrain from the kind of fist-pump hell-yeah cheerleading that makes out war to be somehow glorious. It's not about staying neutral, not taking sides, or judging the morality of defending yourself. It's about not getting swept up in militaristic fervor. People who are actually fighting, and civilians who are trying to maintain their resolve, need that fervor to keep morale up. You can't fault them for it. But if you're far away and safe then you have the benefit of distance and going all keyboard warrior "rah-rah gently caress 'em up kill those Russian scum" doesn't make you a better person.
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Young Freud posted:More broken-down, out-of-fuel Russian armor...https://twitter.com/Liveuamap/status/1497485623225200640?s=20&t=Al6_D2wsVJK4SkjZlAF-Fw ...This is starting to beg the question based on the looting we have seen and abandoned Russian vehicles elsewhere, what exactly IS the Russian supply line situation logistically? If your troops are looting for food and warm clothes it tells me things are way rougher than they even appear. I imagine the sanctions will only continue to make conditions deteriorate.
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Eiba posted:A bloody war and long insurgency is certainly bad for Russia, and atrocities and humanitarian crises are going to make Ukraine more and more sympathetic in the worlds' eyes... but those are all really loving bad things. In order to get to the "better for Ukraine" stuff, you need a shitton more human suffering. And if the "good" thing you reach is a Georgia situation, or some sort of Finlandization, where Ukraine retains independence so long as they never oppose Russia again, is that so much better than a puppet government that it's worth all the suffering and humanitarian crises? Brutally imposed puppet regimes are themselves humanitarian crises and come packaged with years or decades of cruelty and "disappeared" people suffering under popular exploitation that would make the finest neoliberal blush. A puppet government represents a veil under which the suffering is drawn out over long periods. So, yes, resisting an insatiable foreign power is better. Holding out at great cost is better. The best option is for Russia not to invade sovereign countries, but when they make the choice to invade, you have to pick resistance.
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Somaen posted:Came back from sleep and a protest against the war. I hope nothing of value is in the last 1500 posts cause it seems like it's the same dumbasses handwringing about how from a neorealist realpolitiks perspective Ukraine needs to surrender Nah I don't think anyone's saying that. Mostly we're impressed with Ukraine's resolve, and mystified by Putin's motives. From a realpolitik perspective, it's still unlikely that Ukraine can hold out forever, but the path to a Russian occupation of Ukraine is looking to be very bloody, and there are all the makings of a long and bloody resistance to that occupation afterwards. I do think protests are part of the path towards stopping the war. If Russians genuinely come out in huge masses, like 1990 numbers, that becomes impossible to ignore or suppress.
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Guildencrantz posted:Yeah, I think I get what you're saying. IMO we should absolutely root for the Ukrainians, who are in the right, treat Ukrainian successes as good news and Russian successes as bad news, but refrain from the kind of fist-pump hell-yeah cheerleading that makes out war to be somehow glorious. It's not about staying neutral, not taking sides, or judging the morality of defending yourself. It's about not getting swept up in militaristic fervor. Thank you. This is far more eloquent than me saying it, but what I wanted to communicate.
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TulliusCicero posted:...This is starting to beg the question based on the looting we have seen and abandoned Russian vehicles elsewhere, what exactly IS the Russian supply line situation logistically? I think they assumed it would have all finished already and they would be able to fly supplies in. They've definitely run out of momentum and are just flailing now. E: if they ramp up sanctions I wonder how putin is going to pay all these soldiers.
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JosefStalinator posted:Is the translation beneath accurate? Because if so, lmao.
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TulliusCicero posted:...This is starting to beg the question based on the looting we have seen and abandoned Russian vehicles elsewhere, what exactly IS the Russian supply line situation logistically? They were having issues for months with the encampments in Belarus: scrounging to the point they depopulated the wildlife; soldiers sleeping in barns in large groups; the local Belarusians were apparently charging the Russian soldiers for food, with contract soldiers having to pay for themselves and the conscripts, who don't get paid by the Russian Ministry Of Defense.
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TulliusCicero posted:...This is starting to beg the question based on the looting we have seen and abandoned Russian vehicles elsewhere, what exactly IS the Russian supply line situation logistically? There was talk about russian soldiers were selling military gear over the last few months just to survive in russia. I have been thinking one of the reasons Putin is doing this poo poo as they know they are slowly getting worse internally like the old USSR. And its to get the army actually doing something to stop them siphoning the tank gas to sell on the black market to stay alive.
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Young Freud posted:More broken-down, out-of-fuel Russian armor...https://twitter.com/Liveuamap/status/1497485623225200640?s=20&t=Al6_D2wsVJK4SkjZlAF-Fw Anyway to sabotage them so they can't run again?
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Trump posted:NATO is showing off. During most of the night, there was a RC-135W Rivet Joint patrolling the Ukraine border from Romania, and right now there is another RC-135W from the UK patrolling from Poland, and there is an F-16 refueling over Romania. The first 36 hours only tankers had their transponders on. Still waiting to see if either of the C-17s that crossed the Atlantic last night go any farther east than Germany.
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happyhippy posted:There was talk about russian soldiers were selling military gear over the last few months just to survive in russia. Guy not realizing that the whole reason the USSR went to poo poo was because their leadership got loving old and out of touch. It's an universal problem, to be honest.
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Charlz Guybon posted:Anyway to sabotage them so they can't run again? Paint on the optics. Breaking them with a hammer if you have the time.
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Mustard Iceman posted:and FORTE11 openly circling around the Russian side of the Black Sea, right off the coast of Sochi, for hours on end. Yea, forgot about the UAV. FORTE11 has been visible since the invasion started. Just enjoying the black sea... Edit: Now there's a Blach Hawk just smack next to the Ukraine border. Trump fucked around with this message at 10:04 on Feb 26, 2022 |
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